What’s your most controversial opinion? **Read OP** **Mod Note in Post #3372**

Hotblack Desiato

Convictions could soon be right.

OneEightSeven

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123770443#Comment_123770443

They have some weird arrangement with the IFA where Linfield own the land, but the IFA own the stadium. When Larne qualified for Europe last year, they had to play in Windsor Park. I think it's the only UEFA category 4 stadium up north.

Quantum Erasure

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123787070#Comment_123787070

Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?

Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123789139#Comment_123789139

It had gone too far. Though is it just me or has it calmed down a bit over the past year or so. I don't see the same amount of pronouns on Facebook and LinkedIn. Shows how some people do anything to be 'with it'.

Quantum Erasure

Watching that Knives Out film on RTE1 now, it's very "of it's time"

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123789431#Comment_123789431

The culture war had dampened down. It has flared up again with GL's arrest.

I can't get how people just go along with it. They tell them to be outraged about trans people again this week, so they are outraged again. They stop telling them to be outraged and they forget to be outraged, forget to notice pronouns and so on.

Incredible how people will do anything to be 'with it'.

Controversial opinion: if trans people were a threat of crimes like sexual assault in toilets and changing rooms or anything else, they'd show up in the crime stats at disproportionate rate. And the anti-trans people would show you those stats at every opportunity. But they don't, because it isn't happening.

castletownman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123789618#Comment_123789618

I don't think its JUST specifically threats of crimes like sexual assualt in toilets (which lets be honest is more likely to occur from the opposite sex), more so the uncomfortableness of it.

For example, younger me would have been wary of meeting a skanger on a dark street walking home late at night, or felt uneasy if an Arab looking fella stepped onto busy public transport post 9-11.

Common sense would say they would be logical reasons to feel 'uneasy' (if a bit profile-y). Yet a parent being concerned about their daughter sharing a public toilet with a biological male (a perfectly reasonable concern) is deemed transphobic?

Come off it.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123789737#Comment_123789737

Oh yeah, if you think trans people are more likely to be paedos, then that makes perfect sense.

So do the stats tell us the fear is substantiated or not? Is it just prejudice? Those seem like the pertinent questions.

The term 'profile-y' is the cutest synonym for prejudice I've ever heard. Fair play for coming up with that. Even more so if you said it unironicly.

Quantum Erasure

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123789618#Comment_123789618

they'd show up in the crime stats at disproportionate rate

If they collected the stats, that is

cj maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123789618#Comment_123789618

A lovely sentiment , but if my 13yo daughter went to a ladies toilet in a public place , say shopping centre , and a 40 yo trans "woman " was there , I don't know my reaction

El_Duderino 09

Don't they collect the relevant crime stats?

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123789938#Comment_123789938

Yeah, I get the prejudice. That point has already been made. The question is whether the prejudice is justified.

If you're worried about your child being in a changing room with A man, then are you crippled with anxiety about your son being in a changing room with loads of men?

kowloonkev

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123789845#Comment_123789845

It's not that trans people are more likely to be paedos. It's that we are uncomfortable with all men going into the ladies toilets

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123789595#Comment_123789595

RTE showing shite is controversial?

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123789938#Comment_123789938

But you're not concerned about your 13 year old son being confronted by a non-trans paedo? There's a reason parents won't let their sons be altar boys any more

cj maxx

That's nonsense .

Hotblack Desiato

Uhuh. A convincing argument

kowloonkev

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123789991#Comment_123789991

I think a certain amount of risk is unavoidable but we can still exercise common sense. kids are often accompanied by a parent for example. If a 13 year old boy goes into a public toilet then it's likely other men are in there to deal with the threat of paedophile attacks.

If a 13 year old girl goes into the ladies room, who is going to protect her from an unlikely male attacker (but more likely if they're dressed up as a female)?

Fwiw I would say a genuine trans woman is less likely than a normal male to attack a young girl in such a way, and the main concern is those masquerading.

Bogey Lowenstein

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123789139#Comment_123789139

Just from reading posts on here you would be forgiven for thinking Linehan had turned into a raving lunatic but I saw him interviewed by Jordan Peterson and he was calm and logical.

Some stories he was telling about what trans-activists have done are shocking: nailing a dead rat to the door of a womens' rape crisis centre for one! They are the real lunatics, I can't stand bullies who act like that.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123789967#Comment_123789967

It's been established that it would hurt your feelings if a man went into the women's toilet.

Can you point to the specific harm? Because of the only harm is you getting repetitive strain injury from clutching your pearls, then...

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123790061#Comment_123790061

OK. You've articulated your fear. So your fear is about heterosexual men and not trans women.

OK so are there stats to back up your prejudice or not? Not just Ireland, there must be other countries where trans people use changing rooms with straight men misusing the laws to attack women. So, show us.

Bogey Lowenstein

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123790127#Comment_123790127

Have you any actual arguments or just constant whataboutery.

Answer this please: why should biological men have the right to enter female-only spaces?

kowloonkev

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123790127#Comment_123790127

Would you be in favour of just having unisex toilets everywhere?

Hamsterchops

So just for clarification. To become a trans "woman" there is one characteristic above all others that is required, and that is, you must be a man. Only then can you identify as a Trans "woman".

"Trans women are women" being the main MANTRA of the trans activists . . . .

Of course none of this is scientific or biological, (as it's purely based on a belief system) that enables one to "transition" from a he into a she.

The wand is waved, the transition complete, affirmed with a new name and pronouns, he/him now identifies as she/her. Or in the case of trans "non-binary" you become they/them.

This affirmation enables the trans identifying person to identify into the activity (or private space) reserved for people of the opposite sex, toilets & changing rooms being prime examples.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123790138#Comment_123790138

Its not an argument yet. But it was a question. You call it whataboutery, but ignored the actual question.

Have a go at addressing the question.

El_Duderino 09

I don't have a strong opinion on that (gender neutral toilets). I Haven't though about it. What would be the benefit of it?

El_Duderino 09

That's one way to characterise it. I've been asking for the actual harm caused and all I've gotten back is that straight men can't be trusted not to attack women. The trans people don't seem to cause an actual problem. It's a strange one, isn't it?

Bogey Lowenstein

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123790341#Comment_123790341

You obviously feel very strongly about the subject, my question cuts right to the heart of said subject. I thought you would be falling over yourself to answer it and get your opinion out there.

But you choose to dodge it instead.

How odd. 🤔

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123790373#Comment_123790373

You Got me. You figured me out.

You also avoided my original question. But as a gesture of good faith and in anticipation of you actually addressing my question, I'll answer yours.

I actually don't have a strong opinion on whether biological men should be allowed in female only spaces. I find the transgender culture wars are so trivial as an actual real world issue, but disproportionately large in the culture. So, the questions I was asking were to people who have anti trans opinions, and they were were to find if they can point to real world harm or not.

So far I've found that they think the danger comes from straight men, not trans men or women. I've asked for stats on trans people causing harm in women's spaces and haven't had a response. I've asked for stats on straight men exploiting gender laws to attack women and haven't had a response.

Now, I've answered question as best I can. I hope it was useful. Can you answer my question from a few posts ago now?

Bogey Lowenstein

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123790394#Comment_123790394

Two things; you never asked me a question.

That is not an answer to my question you gave there.

Let's mix it up a bit and try a different scenario. There is a court case to decide who can use women's toilets in Ireland. You are called to take the stand.

The judge says 'El Duderino 09, would you please tell the jury, in your own words, why you feel that biological males should have the right to enter female-only areas'

Your answer could make or break the case. What would you say?