Pubs and Clubs to get longer opening hours

mikethecop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119808861#Comment_119808861

not sure what you want exactly here ?

the gardai to act with out legal judicial managerial or political support and to commit violent acts themselves against people you deem targets yourself ?

Like ive already said thy are leaving in large numbers anyway at a time when we need much higher numbers

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119808970#Comment_119808970

i have, they are entitled to their views but that is all they are, views and not arguments.

grown up countries manage this so it's time we grew up as well instead of holding on to the catholic church type nonsense around alcohol which is exactly why we once did have a problem with alcohol.

Danno

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119808988#Comment_119808988

Guards are not dealing with persistent anti-social behaviour, and it's the same toerags time and time again causing pretty much it all. Ditto for the courts. Pick up any local newspaper that reports on court cases. Same names crop up time and time again. One particular toerag in this county has had about 250 appearances over the last 25yrs and at most has served 6mths behind bars.

There are 5.1m people in Ireland. Around 1.7m of these are adults who drink on a regular basis. This 1.7m cohort are having their enjoyment of alcohol curtailed by a few thousand scummers across the country that the Guards or the Courts are not bothered their collective arses dealing with. It's much easier curtail alcohol for everyone because a few scummers suffer from small mickey syndrome and want to lash out at everyone after five pints of cider down on Main St...

These scummers and more often their victims end up in hospitals on weekend nights and that is all healthcare workers see and therefore conclude that all 1.7m drinkers are a problem. The guards being concerned at this is laughable - a scummer is going to cause trouble regardless of whether a pub closes at 11pm, 12pm, 1am or 2am. You're going to have to deal with them give them the usual tut-tut at some stage.

In Spain if scummers cause trouble the cops there are in and battening the seven shades out of them - no questions asked. Here though, the bleeding heart brigade will be up in arms and the all too willing free legal aid crowd won't pass up an opportunity to milk the taxpayer and defend the scummers. The judges influenced by the bleeding heart brigade along with a nod and a wink to the free legal aid chums will slap the wrist of the scummers. Rinse and fookin repeat.

waterwelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119808964#Comment_119808964

And mikethecop also highlighted by way of his example that the guards are not under constant pressure. Spend half your shift processing a handy case if you want to take it easy.

Dodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119808763#Comment_119808763

so there was Garda input into the report. You just don’t like it’s findings?

The FACT is that there was Garda input

Your claim to know what 14,000 think is ridiculous and frankly completely immaterial. It doesn’t say much if they don’t feel they’re capable of doing their job with a tiny amount of clubs opening for an additional 210 minutes

I genuinely despair if you are a real cop because you’re acting like a child here

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119809563#Comment_119809563

They'll be open for an extra hour tonight, we should prepare for the purge.

L1011

Just to remind people - we were told by all of the same people as are predicting disaster now, that allowing drinking on Good Friday would cause it to be absolute mayhem. That all the house parties would turn in to mad pub sessions and consumption would rocket.

It didn't. People stopped acting like naughty children due to be treated like naughty children.

Anyone remember the supermarkets on "Holy" Thursday evening? they used to be rammed and me in along with them and my wife suggesting that was well as cans we'd better get a wine as well just in case!!!!! 😅

YFlyer

Have to wait for over an hour to go shopping.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119809777#Comment_119809777

The supermarket for good friday,and pouring as much as you could into the belly, in the pub on Holy Thursady🤣,and the best pints of all were on Sundays between 2 and 4.Good times🤣

mikethecop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119809015#Comment_119809015

we once did have a problem with alcohol ? ? are you for real 😲😲

even for a troll that is weak . try leaving your house one in a while

mikethecop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119809132#Comment_119809132

who keeps bringing these people to court , ? 250 convictions ?

and who keeps leaving them off time and time again ? politically appointed judiciary , talk to your politicians for change ,

garda are and always will be restrained by the law, as it should be ,

mikethecop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119809563#Comment_119809563

one non front line non effected chief. who will be retired before the results are apparent

ask a a and e nurse ,ambulance staff ,mental health worker, addiction worker family of alcoholics etc etc etc

to make it clear to you, policing is already way out of control in Ireland. the job already isnt being done because its been made impossible by the same people who made this awful choice

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119811635#Comment_119811635

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119811660#Comment_119811660

...or maybe its the fact, we dont actually really want to invest in our mental health services, so we re stuck in this perpetual sh1t show!

Danno

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119811660#Comment_119811660

ask a a and e nurse ,ambulance staff ,mental health worker, addiction worker family of alcoholics etc etc etc

This is the absolute tosh that gets rolled out every time and the perpetual do-gooders lap it up hook line and sinker on each and every utterance of it.

There are 1.7m regular drinkers in Ireland. The aforementioned frontline staff you allude to deal with a very very small fraction of those. You will also find that those who are dealt with are a consistent and repeat problem. You will also find that the guards and judiciary are unwilling to combine their collective overpaid arses to deal with these individuals.

You don't get to scold everyone in society for your (you being the system) failures. Going are the days of collective guilt as endorsed by shyster types akin to the catholic church - the same bóllóxóligy you're trying on here. Sympathy for fcukwits who suffer small mickey syndrome and lash out at innocent victims after five pints of cider is thin on the ground, and sympathy for those who fail to deal with them is almost as low.

You as a guard clearly have an issue with dealing with anti-social behaviour on the streets up until 2am and balk at the idea of having to deal with it until 6am. This suggests to me that you really aren't up for the job you signed on for. Perhaps a career in a nursing home or a creche would be better suited for guards who want it all down easy street.

breezy1985

DeValera was right. If we let the kids listen to the jazz it was always going to be a slippery slope to the evils of 6am pints.

I never thought that I'd see the like. What next? Somebody will be murdered, and then where are we? Drive by shootings in the night, it'll be like Boys n the Hood. And then they'll have hoes selling their wares in the middle of the street and the pimps will be using crack cocaine to keep the whores under control.

BattleCorp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119805028#Comment_119805028

Overheal, I'm surprised you have heard of Dinn Ri. It used to be my watering hole about 20 years ago.

odyssey06

In LIDL today treating bank holidays as a Sunday for alcohol.

Past experience, Supervalu off licence staff are on Sunday hours so off licence not even open.

Let's hope it is 10:30 across the board in future or I can see similar confusion on any holiday,

Tonesjones

Canada, Australia and New Zealand all saw am increase in violent crime alongside later opening hours

Beechwoodspark

So Donnelly as Minister for Health didn’t raise significant public health concerns over the licensing proposals?

Was he afraid of bursting the “feel good” bubble that Helen and Leo were hoping to revel in?? Or what?

he more or less abandoned his own portfolio however

Bit late for him now - as basically the entire medical/health establishment has come out firmly “against” the proposals

irelandrover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119816491#Comment_119816491

Can you link to some stats on this? I know there was a study on norway posted earlier that was far from conclusive.

BattleCorp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119809162#Comment_119809162

And if you don't process a handy case or any other kind of case properly, the person walks.

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119818277#Comment_119818277

They haven't though, stop lying.

Beechwoodspark

Give the letters to the editor in Irish times on this topic a read

particularly from the medical doctors and public health experts.

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119819237#Comment_119819237

It's interesting that the public health doctors that signed their letter gave their address as the Dept. of Public Health at Dr. Steevens Hospital which is HSE admin HQ

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119819237#Comment_119819237

1 letter to an editor signed by 5 doctors?

I know waiting lists aren't great but I'll safely say we have more than 5 doctors in this country.

Beechwoodspark

Alcohol action Ireland statement worth a read too.

Pretty clear the “proposals” are dead in the water

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119819772#Comment_119819772

The interesting bit is that they signed it using their work address. Outside of labour relations, It's not often you see people employed essentially by the state taking a stand against a government policy whilst using their position as grounds to give their opinion more weight.

While HSE employees aren't civil servants, it's quite unusual.

HBC08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119820470#Comment_119820470

AAI have no credibility after the lies and falsehoods pedalled to get MUP introduced. That incident was to the advantage of the powerful vinter lobby though,this is just pearl clutching.

Unfortunately they still need to justify their hefty wages by trying to scupper this proposal and other nonsense.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119820470#Comment_119820470

AAI are neoprohibitionists. Their statement could have been guessed in its entirety in advance.

None of these cries will have done anything to stop this, despite you so desperately wanting it to.