Leyland 262

macho-leddy

Howya lads, first post on this site but i have been watching the posts here for years. As my first tractor i have finally bought a leyland 262. I have good experience with driving a tef-20, mf 135, mf 168, and a zetor 6441.

I bought it for a very reasonable price and there are issues that need to be sorted on it before i can drive it, hopefully. nothing serious...

The tractor belonged to an older man and it was parked for 10 years roughly. What is known to be wrong is that the clutch is gone( that's all i know), that the brakes are seized , and that from what i seen in person the engine is turning and surprisingly the body work apart from mudgaurds is actually very good.

With the clutch could it possibly be the slave cylinder gone? Does the 262 even have one? Any advice about this tractor or mechanical things i should check?

hopeso

There is probably very limited knowledge of Leyland tractors on here, and maybe even in Ireland in general, as they were never very plentiful around my area anyway. I'd say a forum like the one linked below would be your best option......

http://www.nuffieldtractor.com

mayota

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058263153/leyland-262

The clutch disc is more than likely stuck to the pressure plate. I'm not familiar with Leyland but presume like most tractors of that era they use direct linkage or cable from the pedal.

Girl Geraldine

You will be very hard pressed to find parts for a Lleyland tractor. They were rare enough here to begin with and the manufacturer went defunct in the 1980s. The remains of the Marshall/Leyland manufactuerer was sold off and what obscure long hollowed out rump remains of it is owned by some crowd in China making some very basic versions still for the Asian market.

I think they had a Perkins engine, so you could get engine bits OK. But anything for the rest of the tractor, you won't be able to buy. The best you could do is probably buy a second tractor as a parts donor, or see if you could get any failed parts re-built by an engineering shop.

This would be OK to do up as a show tractor, but as a working tractor, you will only be waiting for the day when it lets you down and you can't get a replacement part.

White Clover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616597#Comment_119616597

Definitely not a Perkins in a 262. That tractor was all Leyland/BMC.

Girl Geraldine

I see.

You'll be fúcked for spare parts so. Scrap donor is likely the only source. Or remanufacturing/reconditioning old parts if that is possible, and if you have the money to throw at it.

Stephenc66

Leyland were a very popular tractor here in East Clare. We had a 272 followed by a 272 Syncro back in the '80s. Both were second hand and I am guessing early 70's tractors.

Jackie Whelan in Scariff was a main dealer for them he was also a Fendt dealer if memory serves. He had huge knowledge and a massive stores. I think Ahern's in Limerick may also have been Leyland dealers.

Given how many there were in the area back then it is unusual that you don't see very many at all now at the local shows.

As has already been said it must be almost impossible to find parts now, Probably a few of them laid up in sheds and yards around here. I see one every so often in Ogonnelloe

Girl Geraldine

Ah they were a very cheaply and lightly made tractor. They wouldn't have lasted. And they had no-where near the same reputation as Ford/NH, JD, or MF or any of the main brands. So they'd have lost value and been scrapped off or exported long ago most of them.

OP if you are doing it up as a vintage/classic - work away.

But if you are wanting a working tractor for a farm, jesus, don't do it to yourself. Go and get something more dependable which can be repaired - like a 10 series Ford or something.

lalababa

Yerra, most consumable parts are easy enough to source. Remember they may have being scarce in Ireland but the UK is a different matter.

After being recommissioned, twould be a ok tractor for tipping around and the odd bit of work, which is probably what it's gonna be used for. Lifting bales , spreading manure , etc.

White Clover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616840#Comment_119616840

Donie Moloney near Abbeyfeale would have parts and a couple of other knowledgeable posters have contacts around Limerick/Tipperary area.

macho-leddy

Thanks lads for the comments, there's a fair few parts in England to buy, so that's not what I'm worried about. I was just looking for advice on how to tackle the clutch and brake.

I think some of ye forget aswell that talking about reliable tractors is lovely, but being able to afford one is a different story...

Nekarsulm

A 1950s design, which BL persisted with untill the 1970's.

You'll be fine for parts, no problem at all.

Syncro Gearbox parts harder got, but you don't mention if yours is such a model.

You probably have a ten speed gearbox, 5 gears and a high and low.

Brakes are dry disks, and not near as effective or long lasting as "oil immersed" brakes.

The cross shafts and pivots under the cab seize up, also the expander mechanisms in the brake drums seized up too, and the ball bearings involved in the brake disk expanders go oval and can stick "on".

Clutch very likely stuck to flywheel.

Prop down the pedal, remove the starter motor, and give the flywheel a few good thunks of a sledge ( via a stout bar).

Should shock it loose.

You don't split these tractors to change the clutch.

You pivot the cab backwards on it's rear hinges and unbolt the top section of the flywheel housing, and lift the complete piece, including the steering wheel, steering box and dash panel, up and leave it on the seat.

You can now access the clutch.

Good luck, and stick up pics for the rest of us to reminiss over!

FintanMcluskey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119619332#Comment_119619332

but being able to afford one is a different story...

By the time the Leyland is fit to do an evenings work she won't have been any cheaper than the rest of them!!!

The non runners require deep pockets unfortunately, speaking from experience (not Leylands BTW)🙂

Nekarsulm

Don't worry about engine parts, etc.

Same unit in thousands of JCB's, and the JCB specialists like FC Spares in Longford would fix you up with all the parts you need, or a complete engine.

Steering and brakes is where the time will be spent.

macho-leddy

Thank you very very much Nekarsulm that is the exact info I need, and I'll happily post pics when I'm at it again

Girl Geraldine

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119619332#Comment_119619332

I know what you mean but at the end of the day you end up paying the same either way. A good quality tractor will cost more, but will be more reliable and cost less in downtime, repairs and hassle.

An obscure tractor of dubious quality will be cheaper to buy, buy it may cost you more later on with repairs, parts, lost time, hassle, leaving you down when you need it most etc.

It is largely a case of paying now or paying later.

Even when Leylands were new, they were old fashioned obsolete technology from 30 years previous. The same with everything under the British Leyland company. All their cars even were all piss poor designs and shoddily made. BL was a behemoth of a company run by the unions to suit themselves.

The tractors would have been the equivalent of Tumosan or Belarus or some other obscure off piste brand today.

Girl Geraldine

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119619501#Comment_119619501

And the first time you put it under pressure and really need it to do something it'll calf and break down. And you'll be left with scrambling to get a loan or hire of a tractor because fixing the Leyland will require a few days trawling scrapyards or ringing retired aul fellas in England out of the back pages of the tractor magazines.

RockOrBog

There no love for the old Leyland at all, I hear the Lizzy had one for hauling her corgis around back in the day.

MfMan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119621128#Comment_119621128

Don't know, the newer Marshalls in their yellow livery were quite fetching. I had a few brochures when I was a young 'un and I wanted the auld man to buy one!

White Clover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119621531#Comment_119621531

Let me guess, he bought a MF instead?!

MfMan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119621575#Comment_119621575

Nada, had to make do with the old MF165 for many years.(Topping on boggy, uneven ground - don't go there!) Years later it was finally upgraded to a 390 which was a Rolls in comparison.

tabby aspreme

OP try Springmount Tractor, near Gorey for advice on parts etc, the owner Alfie Spencer had a great interest in Nuffield and Leyland's

Girl Geraldine

The Marshalls were just a tidied up re-brand of it. Still the same old 1950s technology underneath the now Yellow panels.

White Clover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119621802#Comment_119621802

In fairness, by the time the rebranding to Marshall had occurred, they had sorted the engine mounting problem and now had wet brakes too.

Girl Geraldine

Putting lipstick on a pig. They were still decades behind the competition.

What was the deal with the engine mounts?

MfMan

Did these Marshalls borrow the design a bit from the Case/DBs of the time? E.g. the one pictured above appears very similar to the Case 1490 of that era.

tabby aspreme

They had similar cab's, I think they may have been made be Sankey

Girl Geraldine

Sankey. Ah. The rich man's Duncan cab.

Nekarsulm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119621802#Comment_119621802

Bit of bias coming through here Geraldine.

The Marshalls had the 4/98 engine and the syncro range box, quiet cab and hydraulically activated brakes.

Came with a Sekura sourced cab, which was a big improvement, Sankey was never fitted.

The Marshall 100, 125 and 125's came with a full ZF transaxle, but it was too late for the then owners.

What engine mounts?

Are you thinking of the Leyland 2100's?

If you are going to criticise a range of tractors that haven't been made for 40 years, at least get your facts straight.

tabby aspreme

Thanks Nek, it was the Sekura can not the Sankey

macho-leddy

Fecking hell this is an entertaining discussion, lots of leyland slander. I am fairly confident in saying that the 262 hadn't enginemount issues ,just the 262 and 2100 I think, because of the rubber mountings (I can't remember exactly why).

I didn't buy a more reliable tractor for more money as tractor prices have gone mad on donedeal this year, a 'reliable tractor' would be well over 5 times the cost I paid for the leyland, and because there's not much wrong with it. I have the brown taxbook with it and there's only 1 owner from new. Thanks for the advice , especially about tapping the flywheel to free the clutch I'm looking forward to getting at it.

macho-leddy

Sorry 272 and 2100, not 262

orm0nd

remember viewing at Jackie Whelan's (mentioned above) and all the parked tractors had the hand clutch pulled, to keep the disc from sticking,

would'nt want to forget to release it though as driving constant in pulled position could prove expensive

funkey_monkey

Donkey262 (fella on facebook) has one and its still going and he looks like he could break an anvil, so they can't be that bad.

Nekarsulm

Hydraulics were different to most other tractors too.

The entire rear housing unbolt off, and lifts away complete with hyd pump, control valves, lift arms, main lift ram, and PTO selector and gears.

Can be worked on on a bench then.

There's a filter in the bottom of the rear axle housing about the size of a small biscuit tin, that the pump sucks out of.

Usually found to be clogged with 50 years of dirt and grime.

Poor/slow/jerky lifting, and this is your first port of call, before changing pumps etc.

einn32

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616940#Comment_119616940

Joe Ahern was a Leyland dealer in Grange, Limerick. He's dead a good few years now and the garage is shut that long too. He was a character - smoked liked a chimney but was good. Leyland were popular around the area.

macho-leddy

went to collect the tractor, leyland 262, the man selling it lied when he said the engine was turning as in fact it was seized. well, guess im on the lookout for a tractor again.

fuck😑

FintanMcluskey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119643528#Comment_119643528

Ya might just find the "reliable one" at 5 times the price is far cheaper in the end.

I think you've dodged a bullet here, best of luck in your search

funkey_monkey

If you still have a hankering for a Leyland, you could travel up North for this one:

https://machinery.ballymenalivestockmarket.com/lot-details/index/catalog/29/lot/26173/Leyland-270-diesel-tractor-1974?url=%2Fauctions%2Fcatalog%2Fid%2F29%2FLarge-Plant-Machinery-Sale-September-2022-Registration-Opens-Wednesday-21st-September%3Fpage%3D1%26view%3Dgrid%26catm%3Dany%26order%3Dorder_num%26xclosed%3D1%26featured%3D0

😀

9935452

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119643528#Comment_119643528

Thats a pity.

Im down limerick direction and the leylands were popular down here and liked.

Parts availability is fine. Charnleys in the uk have most of the parts on the shelf .

I bought a 272 synchro a few years back for 700 euro . A bit of work done to it, servicing it , freeing out breaks ,replacement front axel , lights ,exhaust , window rubbers etc.

Tractor is sitting at 1200 euro now.

Fine tractor, starts one tough of the key , does whats asked of it.

One of the bonuss of it is its on 16.9 r38 on the back and does just over 40k on the road.

Steering and brakes are a bit vague on it though and driving position isnt nice for a tall person.

The brother has a 10/60 nuffield which did an aweful lot of work for us over the years which is currently in retirement .

I wouldnt have an issue buying another if the money was right

memorystick

Get used to having no brakes

macho-leddy

Sounds like you got it at a good price, wonder when or if tractor prices will ever get back to that level.

By any chance is that tractor available, if not that's sound. I'm at a stage where I'm not sure I'll have the luxury of finding acheap tractor in connacht

macho-leddy

Sounds like you got it at a good price, wonder when or if tractor prices will ever get back to that level.

By any chance is that tractor available, if not that's sound. I'm at a stage where I'm not sure I'll have the luxury of finding acheap tractor in connacht

CreadanLady

No such thing as a cheap tractor if it is one you want to do work with.

A tractor that is cheap to buy, will cost you more in the long run with breakdowns, parts, lost time, hassle, stress.

FintanMcluskey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680911#Comment_119680911

100%.

A cheap tractor doesn't exist.

macho-leddy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654998#Comment_119654998

Hardly be less than 4k , no?

funkey_monkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119689577#Comment_119689577

Didn't sell during the online bidding. I think bidding went up to over £6k. Now on at the mart for a buy it now price of £8k.

https://machinery.ballymenalivestockmarket.com/lot-details/index/catalog/37/lot/26837/Leyland-270-diesel-tractor-1974?url=%2Fauctions%2Fcatalog%2Fid%2F37%2FMachinery-Marketplace

9935452

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680884#Comment_119680884

I was lucky enough with the price . But it did need a bit of time put into it , to get it into working order.

I plan to hold onto it and tidy it up more when time allows, but thanks for the interest though.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119666398#Comment_119666398

Well used to that. Grew up driving nuffields and leylands. Drew silage with crystals. And as one of the lads who has a 462 says, its the reason you get a synchro one of them, use the gears and reverse to stop it .

CreadanLady

What is the story with the brakes? Why are they so bad?

Is it because they are inherently weak and ineffective, or are they prone to failure or wearing out in double quick time?

orm0nd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119729177#Comment_119729177

there was a fellow going to the co op here one morning and met something coming opposite direction . stood up and stood on the brake and for extra pressure pulled up hard on the steering wheel

steering wheel broke off completely and he very nearly went head over heels over the back end

it was either a universial 4 or a 460 cant remember which

brakes wernt too bad if you serviced them once weekly 😁