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Objective view on Vladimir Putin?

  • 08-09-2022 6:08am
    Registered Users Posts: 413 ✭✭lumphammer2

    First of all I want to note I am not a supporter of Putin .. and 100% agree that he does not deserve to hold onto power as of 2022 due to what he has done in Ukraine and in Iran, Belarus, Georgia, etc. ... he and the puppets he helps in the other places are keeping people down ... and as of 2022 it is clear he is the new Slobodan Milosevic.

    ... but are there any positives about Putin? Let's see ...

    During the Iraq war era I have got to admit that I thought Putin then made sense ... he was ironically one of the strongest opponents of a stupid economy destroying war that the West STILL does not blame for the financial crisis it caused and for the ISIS mess that it spawned.

    Sure Putin had launched a war in Chechnya ... but so did his predecessor Yeltsin. He also went to war briefly in Georgia ... but that was overshadowed by the horrors coming out of Iraq.

    It was clear that circa 2003-2013 that Putin was often the least bad guy when compared to the Republican Party who invaded Iraq .. and the ISIS who took over Iraq. By 2014 it was clear Putin was becoming more of a problem. He had turned Russia into a dictatorship by refusing to stand down after a set amount of terms in office and was killing Russian opponents of him in and out of Russia. He then annexed Crimea. But ISIS, then another despot called Trump, Brexit and Covid all took attention away from Putin.

    Ukraine was not the only country Putin has annexed ... he set up a puppet regime in Chechnya lead by Ramzan Kadyrov who is like ISIS but working for Putin. Putin also made sure his servant Ebrahim Raisi won an election in Iran with the help of his pal Trump destroying the popularly elected Rouhani administration ... and Iran's king Ali Khamenei making sure Putin's man got in as head of government. Now Iranians have to put up with a far worse regime than ever before .. seemingly constructed to keep the people, esp. women down. Putin also has clients in breakaway regions of Moldova and Georgia and the Kazathstan and Belarus regimes are more puppets similar to the Iranian one and the pre-Zelensky Ukraine one. Putin fought another war in Syria ... while it destroyed ISIS it cemented the Assads another Putin puppet. It all shows Putin will go to war if he has to in order to protect his clients.

    Putin's worst oppression apart from war is felt on the streets of Tehran and Grozny where ISIS types oppress the local population on his behalf. He controls vital oil rich regions incl. the Arctic Ocean, Persian Gulf and Caspian Sea. He also wants to dominate the pipelines in Ukraine ... his aim is to be the dominant energy power in the world.

    Because the world depends on the resources in Russia and its puppet states Putin may well get away with what he is at. He has always said if the sanctions go the oil flows ... it is hard to see people put up with misery and Putin knows this. Putin may win sanctions relief ...

    ... but what next? If the current puppet in Tehran keeps rolling back freedom in Persian lands ... whose people are educated and know what is going on and know it is Russia not Iran that is controlling them deliberately to keep them down ... expect a massive revolution. If Russia continue their war even if sanctions are gone expect it to become unpopular akin to how WW1 and Afghanistan became unpopular and changed Russia's system to the USSR first and Russian Federation second.

    All in all ... objectively ... Putin is a bad guy. He may have had a purpose early on esp. during the Iraq war times. He may have helped defeat the worst of the ISIS regime ... but what he does in Ukraine, in Iran, in Georgia, in Belarus (Lukashenko is another lovely guy!!) and within his own borders negates any positives ...

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,259 ✭✭✭Jequ0n

    Yes, self serving and therefore not caged by the morals of the western world.

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  • One thing I always am amazed at is for such a supposedly intelligent guy why his propaganda in the West is so bad. He comes across as a cold eyed psycho in a suit.

    If was a dictator I would hire the best PR in the world to make me seem like a warm, nice guy.

  • Registered Users Posts: 18,069 ✭✭✭✭fryup

    he doesn't want to be seen as a 'nice guy' he wants to seen as a hard ass

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,912 ✭✭✭✭Hello 2D Person Below

    He's a dictatorial menace.

    Because he doesn't want to be viewed as a warm, nice, guy anywhere in the world.

    His whole existence is to exude strength and power, he maintains his walk/habits from his KGB days.

    He rides around on horseback topless, he goes hunting with sniper rifles. They may be photo-ops/propaganda but either way, they're there to show what a 'rambo' he is.

    We in the West may fall for the charming, affable, politician routine, but others fall for the OTT bravado, macho man, stuff.

  • Registered Users Posts: 19,433 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005

    Some of the worst tyrants started off life in poverty. So with Putin.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭AlanG

    There was a study recently that showed they have focused their PR on the 75% of he world that is not Nato / Japan / Anzac. We get a very different message to Asia, South America and Africa when it comes to the war.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,311 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad

    Well he's shackled himself and Russia to a war thats looking increasingly unwinnable.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,879 ✭✭✭silliussoddius

    Yeah, but it may be a case that he loses at a big cost to other people. As mentioned above he controls a lot of gas.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,706 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,879 ✭✭✭silliussoddius

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,049 ✭✭✭jmreire

    Thats exactly the planned effect!!! And as you can see, it works.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones

    He's not as crooked as Bertie and not as much of a **** stirer as Leo

  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ Fletcher Gentle Cashew

    He went into middle East,defeated Isis (broke all sorts human right violations along way),stemmed the tide of suicide attacks into Europe,brought some semblance of stability to middle East after 20 or so years of American led interventions......had Russia in a v.strong position in terms of geo-politics, particularly in middle East..

    Decided to fcuk it all away,for Ukraine.....the yanks mustn't believe their luck,Russia burning through resources and knocked it's military back decades,is now got caught in a sunk-cost type fallacy that seemingly lacks who to extract from......the yanks don't care about Ukrainians,but are happy to tie Russia up in an endless landwar

    Brought Russia out of doldrums,the 90s were awlful for em,but was utterly corrupt in doing so.......started horrendous wars with cheyna and Georgia aswell,killing thousand

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,049 ✭✭✭jmreire

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