Shooting accident

Curiousness99

https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2022/09/02/garda-investigation-ongoing-after-man-suffered-gunshot-wound-in-rathfarnham-at-weekend/

Could of been much worse, I guess it would have made more of a story too

kunekunesika

My worst nightmare.🤮🤮

Sunday? Dates?

kunekunesika

10pm is black dark around here as well??

Wait for more details.

Grizzly 45

Must be the 1st hunting accident in 20-plus years here in Ireland. The last one I've heard of was down here in Co Limerick on St Patrick's day.Some lad out for rabbits climbed over a gate with a loaded .22...

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deeksofdoom

There seem to be a lot more people out in the woods and forestry..... cycling, hiking, walking...

I do a bit of cycling myself and the lads in the local cycling club posted some pictures of their weekend cyclocross spins around the local woods amount of deer they bumped into was nuts, just hope they don't bump into some shooter lining up a shot. Stay safe out there.

useurowname

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119572834#Comment_119572834

Great point. I have found the same, particularly in the past two years since the Lockdowns. People walking, biking, running regularly in places I would have met few people before. Shooters need to very careful.

Curiousness99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119576124#Comment_119576124

You reminded me of this, some places I'd go walking with the dog I'd never meet anyone r xcept the odd shooter, met a few people during and since klockdown alright

I guess it's simple in that you should never take a shot unless you know what you are shooting at and where the bullet might go if you miss for whatever reason

Sika98k

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119569057#Comment_119569057

Do a NARGC Safety Officers Course and they will show you lots of slides on a screen of unfortunate mishaps. Personally I know one friend blind in his right eye from a pellet rebounding off a tree and another sadly no longer with us who made the fatal mistake of not unloading his gun crossing a fence, out shooting snipe on his own.

Horses, cattle, sheep, goats, donkeys, all have been inadvertently shot at night by numpties failing to make proper quarry identification.

Grizzly 45

Seen enough of those pics in my time thanks, and have had a few close shaves too as well. As no doubt, that we all have had or will have if we are honest. So long as no one is going to the undertaker or the hospital and we learn from the incident and bollock out the cause of the incident it's a good day.

deeksofdoom

Well the future seems to be more people spending a lot more time in the countryside.... pub culture is dead!!!! why spend Sunday afternoon in a pub when you could be out walking in the countryside with the family and the 'fur baby' or training for the next big Ironman/adventure race.

We are going to have to get used to meeting the public more often in the countryside.... we have to be able to deal with the public and be Safer!

shaft666

Any update to this story? Typical media, linking it to legal deer hunting when it happened in the pitch black in August outside of the Deer season.

If I was a conspiracy theorist I'd say it sounds more like a punishment shooting 🤔

Grizzly 45

.Going by the social media scutttlebutt .Apparently it was a shotgun that was involved.Not exactly std issue deer hunting equipment in Ireland.

Traumadoc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119569057#Comment_119569057

Certainly not , have treated at least 5 "accidental" gunshot injuries in the last 20 years- that said the physical activity of hunting is far more dangerous with 2 cardiac arrests.

No high velocity injuries , one 22, the rest shotgun................ also one non- hunting related handgun injury. a few self-inflicted wounds as well- .

Curiousness99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119691427#Comment_119691427

And of course lads wouldn’t be shooting deer out of season, especially a few before the season starts or ends (regardless of having a section 42 or whatever it is), shure what would be the harm

deeksofdoom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119691772#Comment_119691772

Don't ya know that any shooting incident reported in the press in Ireland involves a 'high powered shotgun, with a telescopic sight like the ones snipers use'

Grizzly 45

Irish journalists do go with this alright.

Grizzly 45

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119697172#Comment_119697172

Maybe I should have said FATAL injuries while out hunting...

Large bottle small glass

Mixing hunting with other leisure activities in the same Coillte lands is nuts.

I've twice had a deer rifle pointed at me while running and cycling in my local wood over the last 20 years.

Once was a pure chancer parked at gate resting on open door of car, second was a hunter with Coillte permission shooting from a bipod on forestry road.

Second guy had two signs up, trouble is there is about 10 gates I know off giving access to road in question.

I'm not anti hunter either have my own rifle but current system especially with increased use of woods needs better management

Traumadoc

Plenty of people ignore the signs unfortunately.

MakersMark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119720083#Comment_119720083

Yep...I've had an idiot walk his dog right past my signs while I'm standing there with my rifle.

You can't say a word I case they report you to Coillte for harassment .

All I could do was pack up and go home.

MakersMark

Regarding the initial post, is there any circumstance where shooting deer at 10 pm is not poaching?

kunekunesika

On a section 42 with lamp permission. It will be specific to a certain piece of land, a named stalker, certain dates, species, male/female etc will all be specified.

Traumadoc

Or a section 42 without a lamp in Summer when it is still light.

Traumadoc

This story sounds like a lot of baloney,

Shot in the leg with a shotgun - by a deer hunter- at night??

Reminds me of the criminal type patient of mine who claimed to be shot in the groin by an unknown assailant - gardai established it was a sawn off shotgun carried "gansta style" in his trouser belt.

Curiousness99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119722023#Comment_119722023

the firearm in question was a rifle, dunno where your getting the shotgun bit from.

Grizzly 45

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119722821#Comment_119722821

Social media is saying a shotgun...So take it for what its worth...

Reminds me of the criminal type patient of mine who claimed to be shot in the groin by an unknown assailant - gardai established it was a sawn-off shotgun carried "gansta style" in his trouser belt.

What a commendable move on his part, as it hopefully severely damaged/destroyed his reproductive equipment thusly not foisting more offspring with his genes on society.

Feisar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119720202#Comment_119720202

So Coillte tender the shooting rights on the land but have a "right to roam" type policy for walkers etc. Does one ring up Coillte and say "lads I can't go for a shot without tripping over dog walkers etc?" Seems a strange setup.

MakersMark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119723144#Comment_119723144

Wgat I understand is that once I've booked in with HAMS and posted my signs, the wood is closed, with no access to walkers etc.

But since when do the Irish follow the rules?

Still stihl waters 3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119723144#Comment_119723144

The onus is totally on the man with the gun to curtail their shooting when safe to do so when there's no people out enjoying the amenities, if they can't do it safely or without complaining about right to roam then they shouldn't tender for it saving themselves the frustration of tripping over dog walkers

Curiousness99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119723144#Comment_119723144

Most of the coillte forests near me don’t allow shooting because they’re too busy, walkers, runners, cyclists (at all hours too). Some other woods I go to (which would be busy enough too) where shooting is allowed I always assumed it was only allowed early in the morning, I’ve rarely come across hunters in them

Feisar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119723211#Comment_119723211

And that's a fair enough statement however (and I'm only chewing the fat here) is that actually the case? What does it say on the tenders? Plus a shooter cannot know if there are people in the woods or not. I'd say if there ever is someone shot by a hunter with a lease from Coillte there will be some hard questions regarding liability.

About enjoying amenities, surely the person paying trumps the non fee paying?

Edit - see comment from @MakersMark

Traumadoc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119722821#Comment_119722821

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119722821#Comment_119722821

Dunno where you're getting the rifle bit from.😃

MakersMark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119723211#Comment_119723211

I understand that of course, which is why I go home if there are people present even though they're prohibited from being there.

It takes a very special kind of stupid to walk past though giant coillte no access signs though.

Curiousness99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119723402#Comment_119723402

I have direct knowledge of this, not to many gunshot wounds treated in Dublin, it was a bullet not a shotgun cartage that caused the damage

Grizzly 45

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119724313#Comment_119724313

Ever hear of a shotgun slug?How you fire a "bullet" from a shotgun cartridge...Not legal for deer hunting either here in Ireland,but has been used for generations anyway. but always a possibility that was used?

Grizzly 45

Beats me how us Germans manage to have hunts while there are walkers,loggers, joggers, farmers and half a village it seems sometimes in the forests with no bother. We just stop and inform any of the above we are hunting in this part of the wood and everyone amicably goes on their way. In state forest hunts,its the responsibility of the local forestry rangers to ensure that the wood in question is secured at all entrance points.Maybe everyone needs to rein their sense of entitlement to be on someone else's[Coilte] private property?...Or Coilte needs to step up to the plate and say who has priority in their woodlands? Just sayin.

Curiousness99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119725211#Comment_119725211

Yeah my last post was muddled

But I'm very clear that I know the offending weapon was a rifle NOT a shotgun

Traumadoc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119724313#Comment_119724313

error

BattleCorp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119723291#Comment_119723291

I wouldn't necessarily agree with what you have said.

The onus is always on the shooter to ensure that it's safe to take the shot. You got to know what your backstop is. It's not good enough to fire into a wooded area in the hope that there is nobody behind your target.

If the shooter doesn't know if there are people in the woods or not, then they don't take the shot. They need to know their backstop and that there is nobody between them and their backstop when they are taking a shot.

Feisar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119794825#Comment_119794825

Agreed, as I said just musing on the subject, there is a "natural" onus on the person that fires a shot to be responsible for the bullet. However that does not negate fully the responsibility of the person who walks by a sign or Coillte's roll in any accident that may happen.

In another example, is a rally driver responsible if they hit a spectator?