If you believed they put a man on the moon....

Markus Antonius

The latest mission to our nearest neighbour was called off today due to a suspected hydrogen leak and engine problems:

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62715616

Despite it being 50 years since last we set foot on the lunar surface, NASA scientists appear confident that they can put man on the moon (again?) by the ambitious date of 2025

From 1969-1972 - 12 successful landings occurred. But do you, like 1 in 6 British people or 1 in 4 europeans believe it was all completely staged?

igCorcaigh

https://youtu.be/dLxpNiF0YKs

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Ubbquittious

Someone landed on the moon. It wasn't "we" though.

The West has got lazy after decades of passing Chinese trinkets to each other for vastly inflated prices, only recently are they realising they need to do actual manufacturing and engineering again so yes they are a bit rusty

igCorcaigh

But, should we go there again, as with the Artemis project, or even to Mars. Personally, even though I love the spirit of space adventure, we should not. At least not now.

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119539461#Comment_119539461

Interesting, so you are saying that because we outsource technology to China (who create inferior products?) that this is the reason we haven't been there in 50 years?

Ubbquittious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119539552#Comment_119539552

Pretty much. The drive for innovation is largely gone except for some big tech companies who also outsource their manufacturing, supply chains dismantled. The other big obvious reason was that the race with Russia was off and the cold war ended. The Chinese are ploughing ahead with their moon missions while the Yanks squabble amongst themselves about whether they should spend the money on "safe spaces" instead. De West (particularly the USA) has been rotting for decades but the chickens are coming home to roost now.

JupiterKid

Yes, humans landed and walked on the Moon in July 1969. What is sad is that only 65 per debt polled so far share my view.

It’s been over 50 years since Apollo, so Artemis does feel like reinventing the wheel - an expensive one. Commercial launch vehicles will play a more important role in orbital space operations.

Space exploration is very important to the future of humanity and its long-term survival. We humans are destined to explore. A new space race between the USA and China will propel the new drive to return to the Moon and then on to Mars.

Ubbquittious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119539619#Comment_119539619

No part of the rocket reusable is crazy for such an expensive project. They really dropped the ball so they did, with the help of many a politician reducing their budget of course

rtron

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058260945/if-you-believed-they-put-a-man-on-the-moon

Well seen as they are having problems with the current launch. Probably best if they bring back the old proven tech that got them there the first time...

AllForIt

I believe what actually happened is they put a moon on a man

Greyfox

Of course it happened, if it was faked it would of came out by now. Only eejits think it was faked.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119539619#Comment_119539619

Yeah, the conspiracy theory cottage industry has spawned a new age of de-lightenment.

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119539655#Comment_119539655

According to NASA Astronaut Don Petit "I'd go to the moon in a nanosecond. The problem is we don't have the technology to do that anymore. We used to, but we destroyed that technology and it's a painful process to build it back"

Not entirely sure what this technology is exactly and why it can't be replicated or even improved since...

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119539619#Comment_119539619

If it's as important as you say then why has no private entity filled the gap in the last 50 years? The last successful landings didn't prove too worthwhile in any meaningful way - what is it that we need exactly - they seemed more interested in playing moon golf and whizzing around on their $65 million moon buggys.

Mr_Muffin

It is not actually possible to land on the moon due to the fine dust granules. The granules leak into the space suit and get everywhere, wreaking havoc on the person in the suit. Imagine walking around the moon with sand in your boot, but you can't take off the suit or you die. How would you stop yourself from trying to empty the sand from your boot?

Ubbquittious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119539822#Comment_119539822

There is the famous anecdote of the apollo rocket plans being lost but its more complicated than that. Even if there was a big long shed somewhere with 10 brand new apollo rockets in it you'd still have a massive job to prep them for launch using oldschool ancillary equipment that doesn't exist anymore, the people who knew how to do it are long dead or retired. Then if you find one part in the rocket that isn't quite up to scratch or gets damaged in preparation the company that made it might not even exist anymore

Ubbquittious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119539911#Comment_119539911

Ah I see. Is that why you had to come back the last time you went up? Did you tell Nasa/Elon because they might not read boards

Bit cynical

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119539822#Comment_119539822

Yes, the likes of manufacturing plants and tooling that could turn out Apollo rocket engines and other components of the moon landing programme. They might have been able to keep doing Apollo missions to the moon at a comparatively cheap marginal rate. Same with the Space Shuttle. Even while it was operating, I have read, it would not have been practical to build another shuttle for the fleet as tooling had been lost.

On the other hand, part of the point of the space programme in the US was to create new science and technology and churning out the same rockets year after year (like the Soyuz) would not fulfill this purpose. As you point out, the technology can be improved upon today and it is probably more beneficial to reinvent the process every few years.

Markus Antonius

The reason most people believe we landed on the moon is because the moon landings are not something that occupy their thoughts very often - people learn about it in school, then it's just stored away with all the other useless information. It's never scrutinized in any meaningful way by the average person.

There are many compelling exhibits that prove with much certainty that we never went:

Image discrepancies:

1. Camera crosshairs going behind props (proving it was added in to the image retrospectively):

2 Competing shadows (suggesting two different light sources, which is impossible)

3 Lettering spotted on rocks in some images (suggesting they are props in a studio):

There are also many video discrepancies - such as moonlanding footage showing clearly that astronauts are in normal gravity with the footage sped up. Footage was also provided (accidentally by NASA) to a journalist in the 90s showing Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins faking footage of the earth. This journalist then showed this footage to the astronauts, in which case they got highly aggressive (Buzz Aldrin punched him in the face) and another threatened to have him "waxed" by the CIA...

Wibbs

Anybody, and I do mean anybody who believes the Moon landings were faked is a not coming back from this level of retard, Grade A, 24 Karat, atomic powered, dribbling fúcking moron. Going by the current poll results; ten dribbling fúcking morons and six general dopes.

breezy1985

Why would the cross hair go behind the prop. The fake landing would have still used a real camera with real props. No need to edit anything in 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119539911#Comment_119539911

If dust gets in… air / oxygen gets out… if air oxygen is being expelled that would prevent granules of dust from entering the suit.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119539461#Comment_119539461

To quote Lev in that widely aclaimed movie about Space travel, Armageddon "American components, Russian components, all made in Taiwan".

I love a good conspiracy theory and it's fun to tease people and claim it was a hoax, but seriously though, the flag, why does it look like its flapping in the wind, when there is no wind? There is gravity. It should look like how a flag looks in doors. Or they could have used a solid plastic flag that would look permanently flat.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119540042#Comment_119540042

Thanks for just asking questions, you're really special.

Larbre34

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119540042#Comment_119540042

Mythbusters, among other mediums, addressed and dismissed each of these crank conspiracies.

The reason I'm satisfied we went to the moon, apart from the overwhelming contemporaneous evidence of course, is the technology we all have in our pockets today, that wouldn't exist without the mammoth effort to accelerate innovation, necessary to achieve the Apollo Programme.

Still, not long to wait now before it'll be demonstrated to all the World in glorious 4K and dolby digital audio, just what a spin to the Moon looks and sounds like.

Which will deal for once and for all with the moon landing conspiracists and their close cousins, the flat Earthers.

silliussoddius

You know what else was faked?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment#:~:text=The%20MoonLIGHT%20reflector%2C%20which%20was,MX%2D1E%20has%20been%20canceled.

Might change their tune if the boss of the sites they scrape this type of sh1te off, ever switches from plans for unmanned moon landings which was supposed to start in 2016, to manned moon landings.

bucketybuck

Of course people went to the moon, regardless of what some conspiracy theory moron says.

I don't see any reason why they should go back there though, outside of road testing the technology. There is nothing there worth seeing twice.

Notmything

Pretty sure there is a forum for this type of topic, the op knows it too.

Wonder why they choose to post here tho ???

Larbre34

Cos the Artemis programme is topical. It has a wider interest, just now, than just those into astronomy or space exploration.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119539872#Comment_119539872

You have previously claimed man didn't land on the moon, now you are referring to "successful landings", which is it?