Unsolved Irish Mysteries.

Baasterd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122829925#Comment_122829925

Yes I pointed out the signs and got a "seriously" which was probably fair 😄 "lands preserved" is a really common sign around the country, no dogs etc sometimes relates to gun club land or sheep etc plenty of good reasons for the signs and nothing unusual about them.

But I grew up in an area where you were careful where you rambled shall we say, least you found something you didn't want to find, the more aggressive signage tended to match with farms you knew to steer clear of….

realdanbreen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122830181#Comment_122830181

You sound like one of those guys you find on an anti foreigners protest with a tricolour draped around his shoulders.

martingriff

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122830188#Comment_122830188

Only by a judge and charged I say

Deregos.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122830268#Comment_122830268

Im not making stuff up. Pat Kenny was just discussing this same scar and this article mentions it back in 2017.

https://search.app?link=https%3A%2F%2Fevoke.ie%2F2017%2F08%2F05%2Fnews%2Firish-news%2Ftragic-jo-jo-dullard&utm_campaign=aga&utm_source=agsadl1%2Csh%2Fx%2Fgs%2Fm2%2F4

"The private investigator visited the suspect's farm in Wicklow and pretended to be a lost tourist looking for directions in order to get a closer look at him.

He reported that the suspect had a fresh scar on his face which consisted with marks that would be left by someone digging their nails into his face."

martingriff

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122830290#Comment_122830290

Or it been the 90s and new technology. Seems now someone feels more secure or prompted by someone

Woodcutting

He was a suspect since 1995 no cover up the Garda didn't have evidence for search/arrest

If there was political interference why would the Garda keep on talking to him as they did

Will_I_Amnt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122829213#Comment_122829213

One of the articles in this thread mentions the following

 He had a recent cut on his face which has since left a scar.”

Mary believes this wound was caused during a sexual attack on Jo Jo before she was murdered.

The Facebook page I think you're referring to - the person has a distinct old scar on his right cheek!

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122830376#Comment_122830376

That's a good point.

The implication has always been that the family, and therefore the political party that the family were associated with perverted the course of justice by not allowing land be searched.

Well as another poster point out the Gardai can't just rock up and start searching land.

They need permission from the owner and if that is not forthcoming they need an order from a court, and it may have been the case that they just didn't have enough evidence to get such an order.

People suggest that the family not allowing a search is evidence of something nefarious, but it's not really.

Who of us would allow the authorities search our property because they suspect (without much evidence) that a family member was involved in something?

Non of us, it would cause damage to a families good name regardless of the outcome.

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122830376#Comment_122830376

he was the prime suspect, a farm nearby

injury to his face

last person to see her, was in his car, was almost 100% the same car that picked her up after the phone call

the cover up is to not push it, when they want, they can move mountains

when someone can push back…. they don't

there are many instances of this

sometimes its incompetence, like the Tina Satchwell case

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122828444#Comment_122828444

they haven't

you should leave the amatoor sleuthing to the pros lad

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122830134#Comment_122830134

In hindsight, hitching late at night in November was very risky. The chances of something going wrong were greatly increased, as anyone who wished to do her harm could do so under the cover of darkness and with virtually no other traffic on the road. But she was desperately unlucky too: 'wrong place at the wrong time' and all that.

Gusser09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122830442#Comment_122830442

I would. If AGS told me that they believe some poor unfortunate girl was buried on my land I'd let them search in heartbeat. At the end of the day if has been known for years locally that the man currently in custody is the prime suspect. AGS must have something other than he was the last person to see her alive to believe this. I'd argue that if I wanted to clear my name and I had nothing to do with it I'd be better off letting them search my land.

It could be that this guy had nothing to do with it and was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. However I can't see AGS arresting him based on that. Obviously the DPP will want a higher threshold to charge and rightly so but it would be interesting why AGS have lifted him. I hope it's more than a whim and nothing to do with the fact it is the anniversary and they are hoping he has a change of heart or a crisis of conscience.

Nothing would shock me about anything that went on in this country in the 90's. I wouldn't at all rule out that people in high positions in AGS and the IFA or FG had some sort of knowledge of this. I'm not saying they had full knowledge of the events though. Locally back then Ireland was a different place. I have no reason to doubt the Dullards accounts of what they were told by members of AGS at the time and in the years after. This young girl was sullied and her reputation was tarnished. Someone in some position of power coordinated that.

Kimbot

[MOD] Thread closed for MOD review, do not start any new threads on this subject. As soon as I have time I will get through tihs thread and have it open again if its staying open.

Kimbot

[MOD] Thread reopened, keep the speculation off the thread from this point onwards.

chooseusername

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/chief-suspect-in-jo-jo-dullard-murder-had-deep-scratch-on-his-face-after-she-went-missing-in-1995/a1104499465.html

"The suspect was questioned over the course of two days but made no admissions in relation to the young woman’s disappearance and murder, and was released without charge yesterday afternoon."

Let's hope the search turns up something

sugarman20

Usually they say a "file is being prepared for the DPP".

Gusser09

Absolutely amazing that the suspect had a deep scratch on his face from around the time that left a scar to this day. Serious questions to be asked on this. Was his car seized or searched at the time? Surely the contradictory statements he gave of his movements, the scratch and the fact he was the last known person to see JoJo alive were enough at the time for search warrants? At best this is incompetence by AGS at the time and for the nearly 3 decades since.

Trigger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122833564#Comment_122833564

They are either holding their cards very close to their chest with what they have currently or they are waiting to see if they uncover something more in the search. I would presume they had to let him go due to time constraints, but the fact they are continuing to search would indicate that a judge has signed a warrant. Surely this would mean that they presented reasonable evidence to obtain this?

Dwarf.Shortage

There’s a bit more detail on the Gardai’s thinking in this, tbh it reads to me like it’s all a little more speculative than we’d like. We don’t know what intel the Gardaí have but there’s fair searching in a 375 acre farm if she isn’t in the targeted area they started with.

https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2024/11/13/jo-jo-dullard-murder-suspects-responses-to-garda-questions-set-for-close-review/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=State%20paid%20consultants%20€514%2C000%20for%2033%20pages%20of%20Dublin%20metro%20plan%20reports&utm_campaign=morning_briefing_digest

New Home

Wikipedia mentioned a no-fly zone for unmanned drones etc over the area the Gardaí are searching.

MacDanger

I think the chances of finding anything at this stage are fairly slim unless they can use "radar" (or whatever the technology would be) to uncover something of interest. Using a digger in an area that big is a shot in the dark unless you have specific information to guide you

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122833573#Comment_122833573

Remember the case in Cork that’s going to go to trial - they searched a woodland area previously on the back of eye witness information received but found nothing.

It MAY be something similar in this case - ie an eye witness stating they saw “something” somewhere on this land which has led to this search .

They’re particularly emphasising the Sanyo personal player - I wonder was this actually seen by someone somewhere or was it given to someone and that they have remained silent since or have come forward recently to state that X person gave them such a player around Y date?

If they don’t find anything in the areas indicated you’d wonder will they ever find something - no doubt the areas are vast - maybe analysis by a forensic anthropologist or horticulturist might help or some sort of radar or whatever analysis of the lands - I don’t know what’s involved in land surveys and what conditions are required to be in place in order for such surveys to collect quality data

I do hope they are able to bring Jo Jo “home” to her family regardless of any other criminal process - that’s the key thing for the family at this stage- must be heartbreaking for them

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122834052#Comment_122834052

From what I can recall, the guards wanted to knock his house that he was building in 1995.

You'd wonder can any search be complete without excavating all that has been built since 1995.

Will_I_Amnt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122833734#Comment_122833734

They said on telly last night that the dig is specifically targeting passages of land where drainage work was being carried out in 1995.

Feels like a massive shot in the dark

chooseusername

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122834136#Comment_122834136

Does he do photography, N?

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122834322#Comment_122834322

His brother does photography

Gusser09

Yea the more we hear the less encouraging it is. It sounds as if the Cold Case team have reached the end of the review and it was time to put it to the suspect what they had uncovered no matter how insignificant their findings were. Probably hoping the searching of the land would pressure him into making a confession.

The time to seek a prosecution was 29 years ago. The deep cut on the face, conflicting accounts he gave of his whereabouts and movements on the day and the fact he was the last person to see her before she disappeared would have been easier to move on then. It just flabbergasting that it didn't happen back then really. If he were arrested then they could have got a warrant for the vehicle. It would have been covered in forensic evidence. The fact that they weren't given permission to search the land also.

Make no mistake about it there was a reason an arrest and searches weren't conducted in 1995. Possibly just sheer incompetence.

MacDanger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122834492#Comment_122834492

Where are the details of the "conflicting accounts he gave of his whereabouts and movements on the day"?

Gusser09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122834635#Comment_122834635

Those statements would be held by Gardai. It was reported in the media that he gave conflicting and contradictory statements at the time. Very strange really you would say.

Curse These Metal Hands

Claims he gave conflicting accounts because he didn't want his partner to know that he'd picked up a woman.

The scar is unusual in its shape and appearance.