Cold Case Review of Sophie Tuscan du Plantier murder to proceed. **Threadbans lifted - see OP**

Xander10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123382708#Comment_123382708

Is Shirley still alive

Gussie Scrotch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123382727#Comment_123382727

As far as I know, yes she is still living.

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123382708#Comment_123382708

Could be done at night?

flanna01

You would hardly murder somebody over retrieving a bag of drugs..?

1. Regardless if seen or not, your word against theirs… It was a bag of knock off ciggies I bought down the pub. You'd be long gone with the 'ciggies' before the Plod turned up, then its all hearsay.

2. If it was a genuine drug collection point, could anything be worse than leaving a blood splattered corpse on the driveway.. Nothing like drawing attention to yourselves.

3. The remote location that it was, there would be plenty of abandoned outbuildings dotted along the Peninsula, would you really select a pumphouse in view of several properties?? And also risk the 'who the f*ck are you' by inquisitive neighbours.

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123383505#Comment_123383505

I wouldn't do it but a drug dealer(user perhaps) would to save themselves jail or trouble anyway I don't think it started out as a desire to murder. You want a spot that's easy to access, dry and near enough to your market. I don't think the pumphouse was in the view of any properties except Sophie's. The person(s) may have been local so no remarks on being around from time to time.

jesuisjuste

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123383650#Comment_123383650

Main reason a criminal would murder, and not just scarper, is if they could be ID'd by the victim, meaning she knew who they were. If there were criminal activity going on in the vicinity it would have to be someone connected to the area. A randomer wouldn't just roll on up to an unknown location leaving drugs about. The list of suspects wouldn't change very much in this case imo. Wouldn't have to just be drugs either. All sorts of shenanigans can go on, smuggling, backhanders, money laundering etc. Don't think it was criminal activity though imo.

Gussie Scrotch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123383505#Comment_123383505

Good points.

One other possible adavantage, from Alfie's point of view ( let's assume, for the purpose of this theory, that Alfie was involved) is that he would be able to keep an eye on the pumphouse, whilst not being directly connected to it in the event of it being raided. The next best thing to keeping it on his own property…..and absolutely deniable in the event of discovery.

Speculative, certainly. But there was pretty large scale drug activity in the area at the time, and a threat to the interests of those involved is a possible motive.

flanna01

Still not buying it…..

Sophie was bludgeoned until death was achieved (at least until deemed dead so by the murderer)

I am fully convinced the murder was not planned or intentional.

I also believe, that Sophie made her way to her death voluntary, and did not fear for her safety on-route.

We know the gate was open, and we know there was unidentified tire marks left in the area.

Realistically, somebody was either leaving the properties, or somebody was entering it?

Now, did Bailey not suggest their was a party going on at Alfie's that fateful night? Could there have been 'guests' coming and going that night / early morning? (Note: Alfie said they both went to bed early and heard nothing else all night)

Could Bailey have arrived late on and tried to gatecrash the alleged party? If he did, he didn't leave a trace of himself anywhere, not even in the car he was using (Jules car).

Personally, I think somebody came to the properties for a reason, this was no random opportunist.

The truth is too be found in the location. The killer had dealings with either Sophie or Alfie that night, he arrived to meet with one of them, and he was known to them.

Gussie Scrotch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123386491#Comment_123386491

I agree that the killing was unplanned. I also agree that Sophie voluntarily left the house and made her way to the gate. There is no evidence that there was party at Alfie's that night.

I think it unlikely that Bailey arrived late or that he was there at all. Furthermore I don't think the incident happened at night…I think it happened in the morning, in daylight.

It is quite possible that the perpetrator arrived with the intention of visiting one of the houses.

But I also think its possible that Alfie himself was involved. There is nothing concrete, as far as I can see, that rules him out whilst there are aspects of his account, that are open to question.