Old thread seems to be permanently locked. It will be interesting if anything can come of this at last.
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You think differently….?
Please elaborate……
“The fact that the blood stops in the immediate outside of the gate, and we know the killer left the scene, indicates that something stopped the blood from dripping once the killer left, i.e. inside a car, or an in situ clean up (which is less likelyimo).”
The dripping blood most likely came from the weapons, the stone and block when raised. That’s not to say the killer had no blood on them. The area was awash with blood, but a lot of that blood would have been shed after the attacker left.
It has always seemed very clear to me that the attacker must have got blood on their shoes. There was so much on the ground, he couldn't have avoided stepping in it. I presume this was what Gardaí were searching for when they sifted through the ashes of Ian Bailey's bonfire and found eyelets.
But did they test the soles of every item of footwear owned by every man known to Sophie or who lived in the area?
Did they test the footwell of every vehicle? The killer travelled by car, most probably. And it's very hard to remove bloodstain.
It's an easy test, too - simple chemistry-set level.
But did the Guards do so? This doesn't seem to be in the public record at all!
"something stopped the blood from dripping once the killer left, i.e. inside a car.."
Based on what you have theorized in the past, you have to believe that before he ever got into a car the killer went up to the house after the killing and either closed or tried to open the side door depositing only one drop of blood in the field in front of the house and a blood smudge around the door handle. Minimal blood drip on that route suggests there clearly wasn`t much blood dripping from the killer after the murder. That is of course if the killer took a stroll up to the house at all.
Not necessarily, he could have got in the car to clean up, but I imagine it would be hard to be meticulous. I openly admit it's speculation here. I would see one of three scenarios in this situation:
A car would be used in any of the three, I still think no.1 is most likely, but none could be ruled out.
The thing is I don't think the killer was wandering around with the blocks/stones, just using them and dropping them. In addition the gate blood was left by someone's hands, not a weapon, so there was loads of blood. Sophie could have left the blood on the gate, but it could also be left by the killer, which would mean their arms & hands were covered in blood.
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CCR seems to be going well with "A report is expected by the three-year anniversary of its beginning in June."
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sophie-toscan-du-plantier-cold-case-review-is-going-well-as-it-nears-three-year-mark-says-senior-garda/a781387373.html
Well well well!
That's exactly how senior detectives talk. Dead-pan face and give nothing away.
I would say that sounds promising, rather than suggestive of "nothing to see here".
Apparently they have clocked up some air miles in terms of interviewing people- I hope this is a sign that they have genuinely treated this as a cold case review and expanded their investigation beyond “getting Bailey”
Either that or, “since we’ve looked everywhere and found nothing, then it must be Bailey” .
I certainly hope at least some summary of what they have been doing these last years will be published- Sophie’s family and indeed the public deserve that
What is he talking about phone extractions? I presume from the modern day, texts, phone calls etc. (Bailey, or anyone else), or is he referring to back at the time of the case somehow?
It all sounds promising, but a concern I have is that it is all just leading to "a report" in June, that would indicate nothing is going to the DPP, or they would surely say "a file will be passed to the DPP in June". If it's just a report, I fear that it will be the same old crap repackaged in a different way.
Also he mentions that the investigation continues, in parallel to the cold case review. The original investigation just looked at Bailey, and petered out majorly, why is it kicked back into gear in parallel? Seems like there would be lots of conflict of interest there but I guess we'll have to wait and see. I expect they're just trying to cover their asses.
Jim Sheridan`s movie and the CCR report, all coming in June. That should be interesting.
Did the DNA turn up something eventually?
Oh, I didn't know he was making a movie and it was due in June. I thought it was maybe another series.
The killer could have arrived by car, not to meet anyone but maybe to collect something, possibly from the pumphouse. Sophie, up early, spots the car down by the gate and headed down to investigate.
Storage for drug stash in pumphouse? Pick up pre Christmas and New Year?
It's possible - as in, it's as possible as any other theory.
It's unlikely that professional drug traffickers would store there merchandise in such a manner.
Maybe they weren't too professional?
But a pumphouse that you would have to lift the roof off to deposit and retrieve your merchandise?
Down the end of a long cul de sac in full view of the three houses there?
Alfie Lyons would have to involved, either actively or passively, and he knew Sophie was there that weekend, so no,
I don't buy it.
Its unlikely, I agree, but it would be a good hiding place insofar as the house was unnoccupied most of the time, as was the Richardsons house, so only Lyon's property overlooked the site and, remember, Alfie had a history with the old waccy baccy. Also, if the Gardai found the drugs in the pumphouse, it would'nt be as incriminating as it would be if the discovery was made on Alfie or Leo's place.
I wouldn't be too sure the pumphouse is in full view of the three houses. Vegetation and topography could obscure it from view.
But people approaching the house would be, at some point
Yes, but bear in mind that, for most of the year, only Alfie and Shirley would be around to see anything…………….
Is Shirley still alive
As far as I know, yes she is still living.
Could be done at night?
You would hardly murder somebody over retrieving a bag of drugs..?
2. If it was a genuine drug collection point, could anything be worse than leaving a blood splattered corpse on the driveway.. Nothing like drawing attention to yourselves.
3. The remote location that it was, there would be plenty of abandoned outbuildings dotted along the Peninsula, would you really select a pumphouse in view of several properties?? And also risk the 'who the f*ck are you' by inquisitive neighbours.
I wouldn't do it but a drug dealer(user perhaps) would to save themselves jail or trouble anyway I don't think it started out as a desire to murder. You want a spot that's easy to access, dry and near enough to your market. I don't think the pumphouse was in the view of any properties except Sophie's. The person(s) may have been local so no remarks on being around from time to time.
Main reason a criminal would murder, and not just scarper, is if they could be ID'd by the victim, meaning she knew who they were. If there were criminal activity going on in the vicinity it would have to be someone connected to the area. A randomer wouldn't just roll on up to an unknown location leaving drugs about. The list of suspects wouldn't change very much in this case imo. Wouldn't have to just be drugs either. All sorts of shenanigans can go on, smuggling, backhanders, money laundering etc. Don't think it was criminal activity though imo.
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