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Happy with owning an EV in Ireland

  • 29-06-2022 11:47am
    Registered Users Posts: 4,073 ✭✭✭eagerv

    Thought I would start this thread after a comment from @jusmeig in the other 'Unhappy' thread.

    Going great for us so far, after first trying with an Ioniq 28kWh nearly two and a half years ago. And finding that we rarely need to use our ICE, even though the Ioniq had a realistic range of only about 180km. Now are in the lucky position to have two EVs, both doing about 20K km per year and so far no range anxiety or charging problems whatsoever. I have always been a car enthusiast, with more of an interest in new tech and efficiency than being a 'petrol head'. But love driving.😉

    I am not going to be too critical of the charging infrastructure here, except to say that of course we need more motorway hubs (4+ units) and coverage at the extremities of our country. Also fully understand that EVs aren't for everyone and not all have the opportunity for home charging. We also have a modest 4kW solar array on house, realistically not enough for car charging after other household usage, but is satisfying on a sunny day to sometimes see up to 15km/hour for a few hours in the afternoon when house otherwise quiet. Also hope that the crazy pricing/shortages will eventually revert back to what it was like for us a few years ago.

    Ireland could be one of the leading countries in the world for EVs IMO, we are the perfect size and shape with a temperate climate.

    Just some of my views, looking forward to hearing others..



  • Registered Users Posts: 31,495 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN

    Another delighted owner here.

  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,883 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1

    Started the journey with an imported Leaf30 in March 2017 to replace petrol 2nd car. Was a super car, virtually brand new at 6months old, seats still wrapped, only had 2,400kms on it so I had to drive the crap out of it for VRT appointment every evening to get it up to 6,000kms.

    Never an issue with it, cheap servicing and only replaced two tyres by the time I sold it at 70odd k kms, more than paid for itself in savings. Battery SOC 92% when sold at ~5years old.

    In 2020 took advantage of pandemic pricing and imported a 2015 Tesla Model S, fully loaded, a beast of a car that I spent approximately €50 on fuel costs in two years before I sold it earlier this year at significant profit.

    In 2021 sold the Leaf for a well priced Kona 64 (buyer needed quick sale as needed to pay for Model 3P he had lined up), could sell it now for a profit and we still have a brand new battery to look forward to. Best range car out there.

    Currently with Model 3 RWD, no issues whatsoever apart from small paint correction after collection in March of this year. Around a fiver in fuel costs for the ~3k kms done since purchase as virtually all charging via solar PV.

    Never took the Leaf outside it's range really, herself takes the Kona on Charge Required trips and never an issue. Range of both Teslas I've owned means rarely taken outside range, think I may have used eCars twice on Teslas, I route via SuC network whenever possible and Granny charge on weekend aways. Only fast charged our Model 3 once since ownership. Could sell the Model 3 tomorrow at a profit but I have it for the long term.

    No hesitation on being a two EV household the last few years given we are now with two 400kms+ range EVs.

    However, if you need to rely on eCars and/or do not have home charging then EVs are not for you.

  • Registered Users Posts: 278 ✭✭jordan191

    Got our first EV in Nov 2019, a Tesla model 3 performance & did nearly 60k over 2 years, changed it after 2 years to another Model 3 performance ( as used values held up really well- I did look at all the other brands but honestly couldn't find a better all rounder) fuel savings more than paid for any small amount of depreciation, have since installed PV panels & do 95% of my charging at home and with a range of 400-450kms never really have to charge on the road unless we're going on a family holiday & when we do its mainly the Supercharger network which has improved a lot in the past 2 years. Really happy with my EV & will replace the wife's diesel Tucson which now is the second car with an EV eventually. 80K done in 2.5 years & really happy we made the change

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,356 ✭✭✭Grumpypants

    I'm hoping to be happy in a few weeks 😊. Waiting on my delivery that has been held up since march, told it is on the way to the dealers.

    I should have a range of 400+ km. And I can't remember the last time I did more than 200 in a day round trip. I've been paying close attention.

    The two times I did venture to Dublin or cork in the last year we stayed over night. So I just need to factor in a hotel that has a charger for those one off holiday trips.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,352 ✭✭✭Fingleberries

    Electric Cars weren't for me.

    Or so I thought, because I have a 120km round trip commute when I'm in the office and I had heard horror stories about the public charging infrastructure. That changed when, for a treat, we used UFO drive in Dublin to rent a Tesla model 3 for the day - we took it pretty much the length and breadth of County Wicklow and the Dublin mountains. It did everything we wanted for a car, had plenty of juice to spare at the end of the day.

    What that did for us was show that EV's had the potential to be useful for our situation - there was no range anxiety at all on our day trip, but the model 3 we drove had about 360km on the range meter and wasn't necessarily going to cut it for our day-to-day.

    The seed was planted and if we could find an affordable EV with ~450km range we would look at it, thinking it would be a few years before one came to the market. Then we saw the id3 tour 5, with huge range and a decent looking car. Took a test drive and put down a deposit - although circumstances came that VW couldn't guarantee and build / delivery date and cancelled our order.

    Some mathematical gymnastics later and we ended up getting a Model 3 SR+ (even though we originally ruled it out of our price range - given the recent price increases since March it would now be outside our range). We've been running it for about 4 months now on public charging infrastructure and it's been a joy to drive - when we bought it first, we both admitted to driving the longer way home, we were just having fun driving the car.

    We've covered over 6,000 kms in it and it has cost less than €25 per week on charging. Using our old ICE car (Toyota Auris Hybrid, 5.2l/100km) would have probably been about €35 per week for petrol. A small difference, considering the old car had no finance outstanding on it, but it was enough to add up and make sense for our needs. If we could move to having a home charger installed, and a decent day/night rate, those savings would go up.

    Overall, we're very happy out. Even if it does take a little more thought for route planning on longer trips to have a plan A, B and C for public charging.

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,913 ✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin

    Two happy owners here.

    I went from a 2007 Auris to a 2nd handLeaf24 in 2018. I wasn't sold on the idea of Hybrids and was looking at the available PHEVs and wasn't fully convinced by them either. Decided to take the plunge and go full EV with the Leaf. We still had my wife's Citroen C3 for long journeys so it was a bit of a soft introduction

    Over the next 3 years the Leaf quickly became the main car for the family. We've driven all over Leinster with the car, had a few charging mishaps but in general the experience was great.

    Decided to upgrade to an ID.4 last year, needed more space since the Leaf was a bit small for 2 young kids and all their associated luggage. Also wanted more range since it was apparent that the C3 wasn't suitable for long trips (and would probably break down if we tried)

    Initally had planned to sell the Leaf but in the end my wife took it to replace the Citroen, so we're a 2 EV household now. She wasn't entirely convinced at first due to the shortish range but has since come to love her Leaf and now refuses to go back to an ICE car

    Neither car have given us a hint of trouble, with the ID.4 I feel like I can go almost anywhere in Europe without too many charging stops in a day

    On the cost front, I reckon between the 2 EVs we've saved around €5k in fuel and maintenance costs over the past 5 years (the C3 in particular was extremely unreliable, often needed €500+ per year to keep running)

  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 11,406 Mod ✭✭✭✭miamee

    Another two EV household here. OH had a Leaf24 when I met him and that was my introduction to EVs. We were gluttons for punishment and often drove Dublin to Belfast in it - yes it often required 2 charge stops 😏

    In 2017 we bought an Ioniq28 which we still have. We've been the length and breadth of the country in it. OH used it for commuting to work and I used the Leaf for my more local driving. I loved driving it to be honest. In 2021 we traded in the Leaf and bought a second hand 2019 Kona. OH mostly drives that and I have the Ioniq though we both drive either one when it suits. I work from home so for me it's for leisure driving only. We moved house this year so we now, for the first time ever (!) have a home charger installed. We won't know ourselves, OH was charging at work and we both were using the granny lead and/or public charging. I'm not going to miss those days 😄 We're also looking into solar in the new place as well, funny to see a few others say the same :)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,881 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus

    We bought an Audi Etron 50 2 years ago next month, few issues with the car itself which meant it was back at audi more than id like (all resolved now) but as regards owning an EV i couldnt be happier, im certainly a convert now. We use ionity the odd time we need to charge on a long spin but the majority of our driving is urban local so we normally charge once a week at the weekend.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭...Ghost...

    Another 2 EV hh here. Brought in a 2014 Leaf from the UK in 2017. Loved it even though I think the old Leaf is ugly. Our remaining ICE car was not used for a couple of months and we jumped on a 2012 Leaf when it came in at a good price in a private sale. Both cars still going strong and saving a fortune on fuel and maintenance. Upgrading to new Leaf 40 whenever the car arrives in stock and will sell the 2012 at that time for about the price I bought it.

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 35,449 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo

    Happy = yes.

    Long history of Performance cars, all the Honda Type R’s, S3, M3, Evo, STi, GTi, V8 BMW X5, then every diesel 6 cylinder BMW had since the E39 530d, E60 525d, E60 535d, E36 325i, a few odd balls in between such as MG ZR, Fabia VRs, a **** load of 320d’s 🤣

    In 2012 my company got 2x Fluences and a Kangoo for shared use. I knew then this was gona take off.

    Couldn’t justify any EV at the time as the Leaf was too expensive (SVE) so waited until 2017 and bought a 2014 Leaf Tekna in Scotland and drive it home. Never drove a Leaf before then. Never public charged until I was in Scotland on the way home!

    Paid €7795 and drove it for 2 years and sold it for €11k.

    Then bought an i3 for €21k in London. Drove that for nearly 2 years and sold for €20km to buy a Tesla Model S P85+ for €34k in 2020. Sold that for €36k in 2021 and bought another Tesla Model S P90DL for €48k and sold that this year for €57,609 😃

    Currently stuck in a 2020 Model 3 Performance.

    Would I go back to ICE? No, not unless it was for something different for the weekends, another STi Impreza or Evo. Maybe something JDM.

    Is one of the main reasons for switching to EV because of the costs? Kinda but not. You spend more on the car but the running costs are for nothing. Motor tax is €120 compared to €1000 of my last ML270. Insurance is the big difference. I haven’t paid more than €300 since 2017!

    It cost me €236 to renew in Feb of this year!

    The running costs help in that you get the performance of something big for the running cost of something substantially smaller!

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,659 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling

    Happy EV owner here also.

    We had an Audi A7 TDI and it was a pig on diesel with the most sluggish kickdown on a gearbox ever. Traded it against a model 3 performance. Guy that had it kept it for 6 months and then bought a 911.

    Was convinced after a short drive that it was the only way to travel!!

    Over a year owning it now and it's still a joy to drive.

    Performance is ridiculous. You can overtake without a thought and the kids still get a laugh when you floor it.

    It's so cheap to run that you'd never miss paying for diesel again.

    Netflix and YouTube on the screen is great for the inevitable wait on kids whatever they need collected from.

    My wife bought an 840d BMW at the start of last year and more and more she takes the Tesla over her own car.

    Never had a slight bit of range anxiety and I've been all around Kerry, a load of trips to my folks in Tyrone and various trips to Belfast and back.

    Very happy owner.

  • Registered Users Posts: 26,244 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm

    Went from a Golf + Yeti to an ID3 + Karoq to ID3 + Ioniq 5.

    I will never own an ice can again if I can help it. The EV is cheaper to run, nicer to driver, safer to overtake (given the instant power) and is more spacious in a similar sized vehicle.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭DC999

    Really happy out with our 2016 Leaf 30kw. Have it for last 2 months to replace our one ICE car. First time on EV. Like others, we are now forever gone from ICE. Costings a fractionnnnn of petrol costs even with higher energy rates. Automatic car is brill. We're only charging at home so easy peasy.

    Not buring petrol was a big reason we changed.

    Solar panels arrive next week so will get some charge for free from da sun :) Hop over to the renewable energy forum on Boards for more info on how others are doing that if interested.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭jusmeig

    Let's show that other thread....Delighted with my EV journey so far. I also owned an Ioniq 28kwh and was very impressed. Never gave me any trouble and would happily recommend, great car.

    My experience with the public network has been largely positive. I've had a few instances where I've had to queue for a charger with maybe one other car, and a bit of faffing to get a charge started, but no major drama.

    The Model 3 has been great, no quality issues and the supercharger network is certainly an eye opener when it comes to building out hubs that work!!!

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,095 ✭✭✭crisco10

    Single car household that is an EV here. We were a hairs breadth away from ordering an Octavia Estate before christmas, but a few friends dissuaded us by simply asking us to run the numbers for a "cheaper" EV (e.g. MG5, MG ZS, Ioniq 5 Exec spec). Didn't take long to realise total ownership costs for the EV would "win" over about a 6 year period. Our plan was to buy and hold, so that timeline was fine. Ordered Ioniq 5 within a few days then.

    Numbers are only better since the events in Ukraine have driven up petrol prices.

    Whatever about the economics, we love the car and experience of the EV. Lot's of toys, and preheating is a godsend with a baby in winter. No messing with blankets or coats or whatever, just preheat the car 20 minutes before you leave. (So about the same time you start trying to leave the house with kids!). And the torque is just fun, similar to mfceiling, kids love when you "drive like a maniac" aka flooring it when the light goes green. lol

    Have solely used homecharging (bar opportunistic free charging in Marlay, Nutgrove etc), and have spent about €70 to fuel 4000km odd. This will increase when we do more public charging on a drive through France in August where I plan to just use ionity for simplicity sake, but overall we'll still be miles ahead of the Octavia fuel costs.

    No range anxiety, and also tempted by solar (if a little unconvinced by economics of it as yet). Yes it's free fuel, but fuel is cheap! lol

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭innrain

    2 EV household here.

    We got Kona in March/April 2019 to test if EV's are for us. I was looking into EVs for a while but the long commute of 100+km per day and living in an apartment with communal parking was a big question mark. We managed well with the Kona, Its biggest minus being the size it is smallish for a 2+2 family. In March 2021 we decided there is no point to keep the petrol backup as we didn't used in the last 2 years. So we got a Tesla M3LR just before the grant changed, which became the family's main car and Kona is the commuter car. With both we drove 90,000 km around the island and I shared my driving and charging experiences here on boards many times. The thing is I'm not really a car person. For me cars are just instruments I use to do my job. However, even after a year with Tesla I feel joy when driving it. Even with the Kona, very hard to fault it. The poor charging network is something real. However, with careful planning we managed to mitigate it. Since we got Tesla most of the planning needs disappeared. High Power Charging, high efficiency of the car, SuC network, the car's software all are there to make an incredible experience.

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,504 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52

    Looks like we need a sub thread here for the traders that have eliminated their mortgages by trading EVs.

    Certainly the unhappy lot don't have that experience.

    Here's looking at you Gumbo 😎😂😎

    Hope you are well: I still recall that test drive in the tesla at the energy show.


    2 ev house here too.

    Overpaid, according to one of the mods on this forum, for a 30 kW leaf in Feb 2017: 73k kms on it.

    Ran out 4 times, twice on one day, all self inflicted.

    Had to buy a cheap petrol car for work when I relocated to Nenagh from Dublin: put 70,000 on it

    Sold it last Sept.

    Got a new 58kW ID3, did a PCP., prolly overpaid again :)

    Got the 675 free elec deal with that purchase.

    Dream of a car, have home charger now for first time, can charge leaf on the granny and ID3 on the zappi on night rate.

    The one down side is no roof racks possible on either car, for kayaks etc

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,011 ✭✭✭✭fits

    We are a two car household with one ev and one ice. Unfortunately we will need to run a diesel for quite some time yet as we do a bit of heavy towing. I have wanted an ev since the leaf was first launched but finally made the leap last year when I accepted a job in Dublin and needed to change our old car as it didn’t agree with my back. Test drove a few and ordered an id.3 tour which now does about 80% if the family mileage. We have never needed to use a public charger in a year of ownership. The range on it is more than we need to be honest. My only gripe is I wish it were an estate with a good boot. And that doesn’t even really matter except on trips away.

  • Registered Users Posts: 118 ✭✭Bovakinn

    I picked up my Model 3 RWD in march of this year too, but I have 12,500 km on it so far 😂

    Needless to say, I'm a happy EV owner!

  • Registered Users Posts: 713 ✭✭✭sh81722

    We have been driving exclusively EVs as family cars since summer 2015, but we did have two camper vans as second vehicles until last year. Moved from a 15 yo. SAAB 9-5 to a 24 kWh LEAF in summer 2015, then traded that in to a 40 kWh model in spring 2018, and finally to a Model 3 LR in summer 2021. The Tesla is the only 4-wheeled transport we have. So far we have enjoyed 185000 km of enjoyable EV travel here and abroad. I absolutely loath driving anything but an EV now and we actually sold the second camper as I just plain hated driving it and fillling it up. I have driven some fancy vehicles like a hybrid ML and am not impressed. There is no way I would ever ever go back to ICE/hybrid at this stage even when some compromises are needed in EV travel.

    We have always had home charging which have covered the majority of the energy usage. The car purchases were pretty well timed based on the developments in charging networks: Back in 2015-2017 with free charging and low number of EVs on the road we heavily relied on the public networks on regular journeys, but since the second Nissan the cars have had plenty of range for day to day usage. Every time we changed cars the effective range of the car doubled from the previous model and I feel that the Model 3 and Supercharging network combined now allows just normal usage(*) without compromises.

    We have not been afraid of spreading the wings and travel abroad: First car we took to Cornwall in summer 2017, the second one to UK, France, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Finland return in summer 2018, and pretty much the same trip on the Model 3 also in Summer 2021.

    The 1st trip needed careful planning due to lack of rapid/DC charging in South Wales and generic low range of L24. The summer 2018 needed careful planning to avoid rapidgate on the L40 in 30+ degree temperatures in Germany but was fine otherwise. The latest trip on Model 3 combined with SuC was a no-brainer: We just decided how much distance we want to travel per day and the car planned the rest. Unplanned detours are not a problem: I left our passports in a hotel safe in Kaysersberg and realised this 48 hours later when I saw another safe in our hotel in Versailles. Overnight return trip Versailles-Kaysersberg-Versailles and earlier Nancy-Versailles meant that 1343 km in less than 24 hours is not a problem as far as the car is concerned. The driver however...

    LEAF24: Needs careful planning if the only car, probably unusable in Ireland for long trips in 2022 or if you don't have home charging.

    LEAF40: If you have home charging not many people drive more than 200 km regularly so not a problem in general. But I had to wait a few times at the chargers already in 2019. But we needed public charging very infrequently in general, could have been several months between the public charges.

    Model 3 LR: Haven't had to queue even once and we covered 39000 km in a year. (*) Still need some planning when SuC is not available like in Donegal. This will become less of an issue as multiple new stations have opened since we bought the car.

  • Registered Users Posts: 242 ✭✭eltoastero

    Not the most glamourous car history: Fiesta (1.4 TDCi) - Audi A3 (1.2 TFSI) - Golf GTE (1.4TSI + 99kW motor (maybe, I'm not sure)) - Kia EV6 (168kW)

    The GTE converted me; it was originally bought as it offered a massive saving compared to a Golf GTI or Golf R when importing from the UK, but I soon found I almost begrudged the petrol engine kicking in.

    Now we're a very happy 1 EV household. Very fortunate to have a driveway as the home charger makes it very easy to live with.

    It handled our most recent holiday in Cavan (from Wicklow) without having to consider charging. I've even had to deal with the worst case scenario situation of getting a call in the middle of the night to travel 200km up the country (knowing I'd to travel back home the same day) but with it only 50% charge at the time - and it was fine. A quick stop (less than 10 mins each) in IONITY on the way up and down and I got back home with more than enough remaining range.

    If the country had a decent covering of 150kW+ chargers every 25km on the motorways it would go a long way to easing peoples fears.

    As I've read before here: "the only people who have range anxiety about electric cars are those who don't actually have one". I'd fully agree with that.

  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 11,406 Mod ✭✭✭✭miamee

    @Calahonda52 "The one down side is no roof racks possible on either car, for kayaks etc"

    This was specifically why we got the Kona over other cars last year, aside from price and availability, OH kayaks and surfs so ability to have a suitable roof rack was a winner. We'd tried one on the Ioniq and while it worked, it wasn't ideal and the car was not really designed for it.

  • Registered Users Posts: 276 ✭✭pjdarcy

    Very happy e-niro owner here too (especially when I see the prices at the petrol pumps these days). The biggest surprise for me was how fun electric cars are to drive. It's like driving a really nippy bumper car!!

  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,883 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1

    I'd have more kms done expect for WFH, and with WFH and car pooling when going golfing (my only big trips so far since purchase) I'm predominately charging the car for free off the PV Panels at home, just the single (free) DC charge. Just looking at my app there now, actually 5,034kms done, more than I thought!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 713 ✭✭✭sh81722

    Thank you for sharing. Sound like you are happy with your EV choice too.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8 aprilla

    Ha! That's what I call it too... the bumper car 🤣

    We are very happy since making the jump to EV with an EQA a few weeks ago. Very happy with the car and really enjoying the new driving experience. Delighted with the fuel savings, let's hope that continues 🤞