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Train push teen gets suspended sentence



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,781 ✭✭✭✭

    Little scamp.

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 35,029 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha

    Protests are banned here in the UK.

    People are rightly p*ssed off but activism is the only way forward. People need to urge their TD's to actually introduce proper legislation instead of just getting justifiably angry and then waiting for the next horrific act from thugs like this.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith

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  • Registered Users Posts: 901 ✭✭✭usernamegoes

    This is not the case in Ireland. It should be, but it's not. For example, the only real mandatory sentence is for murder. There is s15A of the misuse of drugs act with has a 10 year sentence for over €x in drugs but it is ignored by the judiciary. We need to introduce sentencing rules for judges to follow. In fact the Law Reform Commission said when commenting on the US system "In our Consultation Paper we [...] recommended against the introduction of presumptive guidelines and we adhere to that recommendation."

    This is part of the problem, who do I vote for if the judges are soft on crime? They are unaccountable for this.

  • Registered Users Posts: 17,130 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump

    There'd be far fewer cases for them to make all their money if there wasn't a load of touts.

    Seriously though. There are backlogs anyway in the courts. If they locked up everyone that appeared in court, there still wouldn't be a shortage of cases coming to them.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 901 ✭✭✭usernamegoes

    Have you looked at the legal aid fees? Barristers are leaving like rats from a sinking ship. I'm critical of our soft on crime approach but we don't need to resort to making up conspiracies that judges (who are paid a salary) are conspiring to release criminals so the reoffend so that their former colleagues can earn a few hundred quid.

  • Registered Users Posts: 296 ✭✭Ham_Sandwich

    no whats nonsense is banging a child up in jail for a moment of madness who does that help?

  • Registered Users Posts: 39,398 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,385 ✭✭✭Be right back

    A moment of madness that he walked away from and didn't stay to help.

  • Registered Users Posts: 296 ✭✭Ham_Sandwich

    put kids in jail and all that does is put them around people with substance abuse users and people with mental health issues who groom them into even worser situations so how is that a good thing? they tried putting everyone in jail in america and look how that turned out

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo

    Didn’t work in America so we can’t have more prison spaces.

    Didn’t work in Ballymun so we can’t build upwards anymore.

    How about looking at the failures and learning from them, rather than just banning it??

  • Registered Users Posts: 39,398 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail

    Kids that age dont go to prison they go somewhere like oberstown house.

  • Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr

    You mean the massive drop in crime during the 90s?

    Yeah, jesus, we couldnt have that here.

  • Registered Users Posts: 14,860 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore

    If only there was a middle ground between locking them all up and letting every young knacker off ...?

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,072 ✭✭✭Cordell

    I'm sick and tired to hear the deprived area and rough upbringing excuse. How is it fair to the parents who actually raise their kids right, if any of those kids were to make a stupid mistake them having decent parents will work against them?

    And no, don't lock young people up when they do something stupid once, or maybe twice. House arrest will do. But from the 10th-20th conviction I would lock them up and throw away the key.

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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 9,280 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007

    Except the youth was not charged with that offence, another youth was. And the judge point out from the CCTV that the youth was not involved in that act.

  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 9,280 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007

    You remind me of Lord Denning... the judge who was not particularly concerned if the Birmingham Six were guilty or not, since the probably committed another crime in any case.

    Your title on this thread is a blatant lie, since the youth being sentenced was not the one who pushed the teenager on to the tracks as was evidenced on CCTV, commented upon by the judge and documented in the link you posted.

    The youth, who faced sentencing today, made physical contact with the witness as she tried to get to the train. However, the judge noted that he had gone past when the second girl was knocked under the train.

    Now I'm not happy about what happened, but I'll take learned judge's opinion over the ranting of someone who clearly does not know who justice must be applied any day.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,086 ✭✭✭downtheroad

    There will be no change in the ridiculous sentencing laws in this country until somebody goes full Gerard Butler from Law Abiding Citizen, and then gets prosecuted themselves.

  • Registered Users Posts: 414 ✭✭dorothylives

    Is anyone really surprised at this judgement though, really? Another day another pathetic judgement that sends a clear message to scumbags in this country that they can do as they please and get away with it. The judge should have hammered this guy, sent him to Oberstown for a spell. The fact that using illegal drugs to 'self medicate', nice way of his defence to get rid of the druggie aspect of the case, could be used as a mitigating factor is disgusting.

    The Judiciary doesn't work in the interest of justice, it operates to provide a revolving doors policy of serial offenders providing work for Solicitors and Barristers. The fact that we can do nothing about Judges to remove them from the Bench when they are a problem doesn't help. That poor girl and the other people caught up in that violence will have left the Court with no justice whatsoever while the scumbags laugh at the Courts and no doubt get wasted and stoned with their equally scuzzy friends and family today. Probably on Social Welfare so that'll pay for his dope habit.

  • Posts: 25,611 Myla Poor Gill

    Those are the cases judge like to make an example of when a jury is yellow enough to find them guilty.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,086 ✭✭✭downtheroad

    Free legal aid no doubt. Allow 1 free legal aid per year, to keep the bleeding hearts and those idiots in the Irish Council for Civil Liberties happy, then these people might get sentenced.

  • Registered Users Posts: 892 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock

    Judge Martina Baxter said: “He waited 18 years to assault -with particular brutality- the victim. He lay in wait 18 years and assaulted not once, not twice but three times.

    “I find this particularly reprehensible."

    She then uses the word "chilling" in her summation.

    Yet our boy walks away with a suspended sentence because he showed "remorse" (snigger), got a few letters signed (parish priest no doubt amongst them), and paid a few quid to the victim.

    Lovely **** country.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,685 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,578 ✭✭✭donaghs

    Methinks you're trolling again :)

    You seem to pop up on lots of threads with this type of stuff , Lisa Smith in ISIS: leave her alone, the poor woman had mental health issues.

    3 year old hit by a scrambler bike: there's not enough scrambler tracks for the young people.

    The recent brawl in Dublin airport: "probably addiction issues or mental health, hope they get the help they need".

    As other have mentioned, its not a choice between letting them go or locking them up in a cell in an adult prison with Hannibal Lector.

    Feral teens with a reputation for trouble in the area who knocked a girl under a train need some sort of custodial treatment, they've proven that society needs to be protected from them.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 296 ✭✭Ham_Sandwich

    yeah well I think you want to go back to the days of coporoal punishment, if someone has a problem and takes a wrong turn maybe we can get those things they put the head and hands in set up in town again and people like you can throw cabbages at them