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    #242
    Bobtheman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,676 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    To be fair you i don't know you personally but in the majority of cases you are talking keyboard warriors.

    This is such a first world issue and even here it's so miniscule compared to the wider issues out there.



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    #243
    Bobtheman
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    #244
    looksee
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    Well this keyboard warrior served on the BoM for several years and of two different schools, as Parents' Representative, despite my non-Catholicism being common knowledge.



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    #245
    AndrewJRenko
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118942622#Comment_118942622

    It’s an online discussion board. We’re all keyboard warriors, including yourself.

    You seem to have run out of arguments, if all you have left is that it’s not the biggest issue in the world today.



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    #246
    Hotblack Desiato
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118936042#Comment_118936042

    It was to show that Bobtheman's claims about the funding of different ethos primary schools were nonsense.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #247
    Hotblack Desiato
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118942622#Comment_118942622

    So if religion is so unimportant, why on earth are we spending 10% of the primary school day on it?

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #248
    Donald Trump
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118942863#Comment_118942863

    I still don't follow what you are trying to say.

    Bobtheman said not all primary schools receive funding - ar at least that not all have to receive funding. That is correct. The Article you quote from the Constitution just lays down conditions for ones that do. It doesn't state that all and any must receive funding. If you set up your own "home school" for a few of your own kids, you won't receive funding for example. Even though you might ostensibly claim to have set up a private school


    In fact, that Article can be taken as evidence of his point. It is possible to discriminate based on religion, but only if you do not receive State funding. Ergo, not all schools necessarily have to receive the same funding.



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    #249
    Hotblack Desiato
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    So what? Only a tiny number of primary schools don't receive state funding. If they do then they have to meet requirements in relation to curriculum, etc. which is only fair. Bob made a false claim that different "ethos" primary schools within the state system get different levels of funding, they don't.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #250
    Bobtheman
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118942479#Comment_118942479

    I don't regard it as a weakness. It's ludicrous that people like you-who genuinely know **** all about whats going on in child welfare issues think this is important. Very sad and tragic



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    #251
    AndrewJRenko
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118947367#Comment_118947367

    For the second time in two days, you have absolutely no idea what I know or don’t know about child welfare issues.

    But you’re making it more and more obvious that you’ve long exhausted any rational discussion here.



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    #252
    HazeDoll
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118947367#Comment_118947367

    But is your position that we should ignore this until we've solved other problems?

    Or that unsolvable problems render solvable problems irrelevant?

    Or do you just think we should allow religion to dominate the system?

    The fact that you keep asserting that you know something we don't without offering anything concrete suggests a religious mindset.



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    #253
    Bobtheman
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118947375#Comment_118947375

    I think it's really apparent you know **** all otherwise you would not consider this an issue



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    #254
    Bobtheman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,676 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118947650#Comment_118947650

    Deal with homelessness among kids. Make sure the education system deals properly with kids who want to progress to a trade at senior level rather than wasting 2 years preparing for an LC or LCA they don't need.

    Go all out to provide homes for kids in need for emergency shelter because they are being abused either physically or sexualy in their homes.

    Over night we can house 60k refugees but our own kids can't get Foster homes??

    You people with your petty petty issues



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    #255
    downtheroad
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118948269#Comment_118948269

    Bob you should change your name to Lazarus based on the number of times you've revived yourself in this thread



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    #256
    Big Bag of Chips
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    @Bobtheman there are many issues in today’s society. Just because some are more serious than others does not mean issues you consider trivial should not also be discussed and debated. Everyone has an opinion, and everyone is as entitled as you to express it. This thread was started to discuss baptising children. Dragging the thread off on a tangent while using abusive language towards other posters is not appropriate in this forum.

    You have already received a moderator warning. Please do not post in this thread again.



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    #257
    Big Bag of Chips
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    @AndrewJRenko and @fits I have deleted your last replies as you replied to a person who has been asked not to post in this thread and as such has no right of reply.

    The thread has more than likely run its course. But if anyone wishes to reply, then address the issue as the OP presented it.

    Thanks.



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    #258
    downtheroad
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    A good example of why the catholic church influence over schools needs to be removed as soon as possible

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/parents-appalled-at-school-s-refusal-to-teach-about-same-sex-friendships-1.4861730



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    #259
    Hotblack Desiato
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    It's all about pushing the church's agenda on kids even when the kids' parents don't want it. All at taxpayer expense 😡

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #260
    AndrewJRenko
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    The parents want a big day out, it seems;

    https://twitter.com/simonmlewis/status/1517633088549015552?s=20&t=fhg3yVNix7WhV6PtKakIMw




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    #261
    Hotblack Desiato
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    A big day out with the absolute minimum of effort, some parishes have tried to insist parents take their kids to mass in the run up to the big day and got massive pushback on it. These people wouldn't be bothered taking their kids to communion classes so they're happy to have the school do all the work.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #262
    downtheroad
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118990357#Comment_118990357

    Other people's children must waste hours and miss out on valuable education so my child can have a big day out.

    Presenter should have asked her would she have brought the child to make communion outside of school, and do all the prep work herself?

    The day communion and confirmation are taken out of the school curriculum cannot come soon enough.



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    #263
    fits
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    “The day communion and confirmation are taken out of the school curriculum cannot come soon enough.”


    Hallelujah


    haha.



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    #264
    smacl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118878385#Comment_118878385

    How many Irish atheists do you know exactly? One thing I find with those that I know, which is something they have in common with most Irish Catholics, is very little interest in religion whenever it can be avoided 😀



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    #265
    smacl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118882134#Comment_118882134

    Sounds like the pragmatic solution. A compromise a friend made in this situation was to attend but not participate in the religious ceremony.



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    #266
    downtheroad
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    Weddings in Ireland in 2021 according to the CSO - The most popular form of ceremony for opposite-sex couples was a Catholic ceremony (40%). https://www.irishpost.com/news/age-of-marriage-increasing-in-ireland-new-cso-data-shows-233563

    Fewer and fewer catholic marriages year on year, baptisms should be following suit.



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    #267
    Hotblack Desiato
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    Irish Post putting a spin on it. Catholic marriages are only "the most popular form" because non-religious marriages are split between civil, humanist and spiritualist.

    Adults are choosing to avoid the Catholic Church where they have a choice - but when it comes to enrolling their kids in school they usually don't have a choice.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #268
    downtheroad
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118994849#Comment_118994849

    True, a good headline would be 60% of 2021 weddings not catholic ceremonies.

    I just checked the CSO website out of curiosity for catholic wedding ceremonies in the last 5 years

    2021 - 40.2%

    2020 - 34.6%

    2019 - 43.6%

    2018 - 47.6%

    2017 - 50.9%

    And yet the number of catholic ethos schools in the country is up near 90% (I think?)



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    #269
    AndrewJRenko
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    9882A140-401B-4875-9302-DDC310A05C29.jpeg

    And great to know that even more public money is going into funding this kind of fantasy material.

    Might as well have a Masters in Harry Pottery or a PhD in Marvel worlds.



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    #270
    shesty
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    MOD NOTE,
    I left this run, to encourage discussion, but I think it has reached it's end point now.
    I am going to close this to avoid further posts with headlines that pop up from time to time relating to this topic. In the context of the OPs original query, it has been well and truly exhausted.
    S


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