Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705002#Comment_118705002

Let’s face it we are a hell of a lot closer to it then we have been in decades…

obi604

In regard to the No fly zone. Is there a no fly zone in Ukraine? If so, Does this mean if a Russian fighter jet or helicopter flies in Ukraine that it could be shot down by NATO?

Nody

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705475#Comment_118705475

It's a no fly zone over EU for Russian planes; i.e. Aeroflot etc. can't fly over EU (military planes were obviously not allowed to fly around before Ukraine either). It means they need to route around EU (and vice versa since Russia will return the favor).

appledrop

Just watching news there + very moving watching Ukraines liking in Ireland who are willing to return home to fight.

One guy living here 20 years so his family are Irish but still willing to go back to his home country to fight.

I was very emotional watching it, I can't see Irish abroad coming back in same circumstances!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705396#Comment_118705396

If you think that most of the public/civil service is as vulnerable as the HSE was, you're sadly mistaken

Larbre34

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705499#Comment_118705499

I would.

Wouldn't you?

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705499#Comment_118705499

Fking ridiculous all this shaming going on. Plenty of Irish living in the UK played their part in 1919/21 and the 60/70s. Many more around the world done their bit too.

How can you possibly know what people will do when we haven't been in the tiniest slightest bit of invasion in generations

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705522#Comment_118705522

I don't know tbh. I would hope the Gardai and places like Revenue are a bit better.

Pete_Cavan

Lets just hope tonight is not too rough on the Ukrainians and the Ruble is junk come morning, that might get a reaction from the Russian people.

realdanbreen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118704201#Comment_118704201

Jesus I wouldn't like to be negotiating a pay rise with you! The best outcome, IMO, would be to cede crimea and Donbas regions, they are pro Russian areas after all and a huge drain on Ukraine. Russia to pull out its forces immediately and the EU to accept Ukraine as a member immediately. 🇺🇦

appledrop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705547#Comment_118705547

I wouldn't leave in first place so I'd be here!

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705627#Comment_118705627

Lucky you. Generations of Irish were not so privileged

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705564#Comment_118705564

I do, they are

lulublue22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705169#Comment_118705169

Apparently it is expected to happen over the next few days according to the Independent.

McGinniesta

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118702405#Comment_118702405

So why would are they there? If they are not prepared to do the job they were founded for then what's the point?

The U.N are castrated and are completely useless in this situation and the E.U have been rubbing their arse since this thing started.

WTF is going here?

We're being told that the Ukrainians are being armed from the outside, then we are being told that the locals are being asked to use molotov cocktails to fight the russians.

Which is it?

Why do false dichotomies keep appearing every few pages.

It can be both military aid, and home made molotovs.

McGinniesta

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705743#Comment_118705743

Molotovs cocktails against the Russian army?

He's just put his nuclear forces on alert and the Ukrainians are supposed to face this with a molotov cocktail in their hands? Is it just me or does that sound absolutely f*cking mental?

It isn't a false dichotomy. It's lunacy.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705743#Comment_118705743

Use everything you can.

Also have people not been paying attention. The UN was castrated the day the world didn't invade and bomb the USA when they invaded a country against the orders of the UN

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705779#Comment_118705779

You're not making sense. The military aid is for the military. The broadcast on public radio about molotovs was for the public.

Pretty straightforward.

McGinniesta

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705791#Comment_118705791

Then if you consider that the russians can veto anything that is agreed at the security council and the Chinese are probably going to abstain. That's the other ball crushed

liamtech

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705779#Comment_118705779

As i understand it Putin has NOT threatened to use nukes against the Ukraine - remember he is 'liberating' the Ukraine (from Ukrainians it seems)

His Nuclear Arsenal is on alert because 'Nato leaders have said nasty things about russia' - so he is threatening the west in general

On your dismissal of Molotov Cocktails - i should tell you they were very effective against the Wehrmacht during WW2 - In Leningrad, Stalingrad, the Russian fighters gave the Germans a hell of a time - just a sad irony that they are now going to receive a similar lesson from the Ukrainians -

And its not one or the other - its both actual military ordinance, backed by militias fighting with improvised explosive munnitions

McGinniesta

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705798#Comment_118705798

The Ukrainian Military is outnumbered and is going to get beaten. Without proper back up it's simply a matter of time.They are on their own and are facing a larger, better trained and technologically superior army that has access to nuclear weapons which have been put on alert.

While we have been advised that the Ukrainian military has received supplies from outside they are f*cked. If not, then tell me how they are going to beat the Russian army on their own.

Now when you add to this the fact that largely untrained civilians are being asked to lob molotov cocktails at their invaders. To paraphrase Sean Connery in the untouchables this is bringing a knife to a gunfight.

AyeGer

If they could get a gun to every household in the major cities, at least they could shoot at Russian soldiers when they arrive. Nearly every American household has a gun, they could donate millions of the things.

pummice

I predict there will be an outcome in the upcoming "peace" talks - Russia will pull its forces back but will annex and keep all of Luhansk and Donetsk, that way both sides can claim a victory.

lulublue22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705779#Comment_118705779

The whole thing from the start has been fucken mental who among the general population here would have thought in Dec that we would be on the brink of WW3 in Feb ? You can argue NATO should have gone in , that NATO should have initiated a no fly zone - that would have escalated this to WW3 without a doubt. Could this still escalate to WW3 yes. So would it have been better to go all in for a non NATO member from the start and damn the consequences ?

There is unprecedented aid - military financial and humanitarian going to UKraine right now , how fast it gets there and is distributed is one issue - having said that Poland is a hive of military planes over the last number of days - that doesn’t stop the civilian population from arming themselves ( many have been given guns ) with whatever they can - molotov cocktails are apparently a good means of defence in an urban area ( such as Kyiv). I doubt the army will be primarily using them. To me it encapsulates the Ukrainian spirit - everyone do what they can. If it was me I’d rather throw a molotov cocktail rather than shoot a gun to be honest.

Manic Moran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705447#Comment_118705447

Sweden is about as neutral as Ireland is, and they're sending quite a few weapons.

The difference is that they have them to spare.

McGinniesta

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705920#Comment_118705920

Now having a gun in your home doesn't seem like such a bad idea.

Larbre34

With those damn molotovs you're far more likely to burn the shyt out of yourself or the fella next to you than a Russian APC. The added Styrofoam will ensure the petrol and used motor oil combo will stick to you and burn right through to the bone.

Give me an AK and a quiet window to shoot it from any day.

lulublue22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705878#Comment_118705878

By proper back up I presume you are advocating boots on the ground ? That’s a fairly big ask for a non NATO country - of course it won’t affect any of us as we are not in NATO.

certain countries such as France has allowed any of it’s FFL troops with a Ukrainian background to go and fight. Liz Truss has tweeted re British Nationals who want to go and fight. Ukrainian’s themselves have asked for any one who wants to fight to go either to Poland or Rumanian border with Ukraine and they will be organised into same language groups.

liamtech

https://www.euronews.com/next/2022/02/25/ukraine-russian-space-chief-suggests-iss-could-crash-into-us-or-europe-as-a-result-of-sanc

So just to be clear that Russia is a sane, rational actor - The Putin Regime has now taken to threatening the International Space Station. Arguing that it could "fall out of orbit" on to the US or Europe

"There is also the possibility of a 500-tonne structure falling on India and China. Do you want to threaten them with such a prospect? The ISS does not fly over Russia, therefore all the risks are yours. Are you ready for them?"

Obviously this is from the head of the russian space agency but it does genuinely reduce any confidence that we had, on the Mental state of the Putin Regime -