Aggravated burglary in Sligo

CB19Kevo

https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2022/0206/1278115-sligo-burglary/

At what stage do we as a society choose to tackle crime such as this.

Over the years we have seen the vulnerable time and again targeted in viscous assaults and yet we still seem to not be appropriately dealing with the issue.

Its very easy for those of us here on boards in our 20's to 60's to think we are somehow invincible and could fight off an attack however we all will get old and less able to defend ourselves and will rely on living in a society that can protect us. Are we failing - I would say yes!

Its very easy to get wrapped up in an emotional response to incidents such as these however if we were to take logical and meaningful actions to counter such attacks would anyone have any suggestions.

I do feel investment in education now may garner significant results in 20 / 30 years, such as social awareness and social responsibility study. In addition we do need to resource Gardai with the actual ability to proactively target criminals through dedicated gang task forces and i suppose key to much of this is harsher sentencing for violent crime with particular focus on attacks on any vulnerable person/creature.

Am i just being too critical of our current standards or do we need to implement substantive change?

Xander10

What annoys me is , in most of these cases the Gardai know who are carrying out the crimes but there isn't the will to bring them to justice.

An emotional knee jerk response is what is needed.

JeffKenna

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591580#Comment_118591580

A smart ass reply shows what kind of person you are to be honest.

gmisk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591550#Comment_118591550

I think there might be the will in some cases, just not the evidence?

Even if they have the evidence the sentencing is generally a joke

Curious_Case

I think tech. is the answer. Preventative tech. & Repercussive tech.

Systems to allow "lock-out" on detection of intruders. Systems to "light-up" intruders' vehicles (uv sprays, electronic activation of tracking chips, number plate recognition, etc.)

Education is pointless if there's no media (biological) in which to seed thoughts. Bear in mind, we are dealing with evolutionary dead-enders here. Having their IQ's tattooed on their foreheads may be beneficial too.

Jequ0n

How do you think you can tackle it as a society? It’s always happened and it always will.

Just because the person was elderly doesn’t make this worse than other robberies.

Xander10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591612#Comment_118591612

Agree with first part and monitoring of these individuals can lead to success.

But yes the courts can be a joke when it comes to sentences.

goldenmick

The sentencing laws are a complete joke.

Part of the problem lies with the fact that those who create these laws and sentencing guidelines live a world away from the reality that your average man does. Safely tucked away in their expensive homes and mansions, for the most part chauffeured everywhere, they've never once experienced real crime perpetrated on them.

I say bring back the birch, double the sentencing, no perks or money sent in if you are in prison, and scrap probation... instead maybe let them know real pain and give them a good rogering up the arse with the biggest dildo you can find. This should do the trick...

CB19Kevo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591628#Comment_118591628

It would be rather unfortunate to think we could not effectively solve an issue even if it was a challenging one..

Well i would argue that an attack on a vulnerable person such as an older person,child or person with a disability is worse as not alone the inability for a person to protect themselves but also the longer term impact.

Violence clearly regardless of who the victim is needs to be targeted generally, certainly agree with you on that.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591580#Comment_118591580

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591594#Comment_118591594

Not being a smartarse. Measured responses dont stop these criminals. An angry electorate protesting outside the Dail may make the politicians bring in rushed legislation,, 20 years for aggravated burglary, life for repeat offence

Allinall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591792#Comment_118591792

What makes you think those penalties will have any effect on the crimes involved?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591550#Comment_118591550

Who doesn't have the will?

Xander10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591823#Comment_118591823

The gardai. I have seen it on several occasions.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591809#Comment_118591809

The culprits invariably have dozens of previous convictions. Having them confined to prison will greatly reduce further crime, the longer imprisoned, the greater the effect. There was a noticeable decrease in these types of crime after a well publicised car accident killing 3 known burglary crime gang members last year. Also while harsher penalties may not stop them committing their next crime, it just may encourage them to continue their crime sprees outside this juristiction, in areas with lower penalties

Galwayguy35

They must have given him a right going over, real hard men picking on a 73 year old man living alone.

Whats the chances if/when they are caught every one of them has dozens of previous convictions.

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591628#Comment_118591628

Beating and robbing elderly people in their homes in Ireland. Has it always happened?

It was incredibly rare for decades. Became more common in the 80s.

Does it make it worse because the person was elderly, vulnerable? Yes it does. Both in the eyes of society and the judiciary.

John Doe1

Was it a McDonagh or Ward?

elperello

Breaking into an occupied house minimum sentence 5 years.

Offering any violence to occupants minimum sentence 10 years.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118592228#Comment_118592228

Am I wrong to assume pretty much every burglary in rural Ireland is carried out by a certain community?

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118592197#Comment_118592197

It’s human nature, it happens everywhere and will always happen. From the criminal’s perspective it makes perfect sense to target someone who is less likely to put up a fight, or someone who is trusting enough to let them into their home.

The only way to reduce this from happening is by reporting these incidents so people are aware that it could happen to them too.

elperello

Raising hares about who they are is no help at all.

Catch them and sentence them, simple as.

Galwayguy35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118592242#Comment_118592242

Well quite a few of the robberies would be carried out by the ethnic minority, over this end of the country anyway.

Mwengwe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591628#Comment_118591628

It does put it on the more callous end of the scale, especially as there wouldn't be any real need to assault someone that age in order to subdue them.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591875#Comment_118591875

You have seen gardai know the offenders of a aggravated burglary and they did nothing?

rubbish

ED E

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591550#Comment_118591550

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/number-of-burglaries-in-leinster-plummets-after-deaths-of-three-criminals-in-n7-crash-40859415.html

High speed pursuits are clearly the answer. Some risk to the public but perhaps worth it.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118592382#Comment_118592382

Depends on what happened and if they fought back. I am not condoning it, but the details of the attack are obviously not known so I won’t speculate.

Mwengwe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118592408#Comment_118592408

Not really in my view. If they fight back and you can't subdue them, as unlikely as that is, then leave it. Grievously assaulting someone in their 70s is beyond the pale and people like that shouldn't be walking the streets.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118592424#Comment_118592424

Subduing someone with the threat of violence is an assault.

Dempo1

Shocking stuff and only the very worst type of lowlife scumbags would do such a thing.

I wasn't aware this incident occurred in January.

TooTired123

Was chatting on Friday to the young wife of a 26 year old man who was, last. Tuesday, given 8 custodial consecutive sentences amounting to around 4 years, for burglaries and trespassing etc. She was full of the unfairness of the whole thing. He’s been locked up for most of their 5 year marriage. She has 2 small kids. Pleasant girl with a total and complete absence of any notion of the difference between right and wrong.

I asked her did she ever think about how the people in the properties must be feeling when they find they’ve been robbed. She’d never ever given it any thought. It was as if he had every right to try and take it if he wanted to. The homeowner/car owner didn’t have any more right to that jewelry/car/laptop then her husband did, and her husband is a drug addict (through absolutely no fault of his own) and he needs to feed his habit, so he possibly has more rights.

Very revealing stuff.

Mwengwe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118592448#Comment_118592448

Not grievous assault which I specified, but yeah it's pretty horrible either way.

Xander10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118592396#Comment_118592396

It's not what I actually said.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118592424#Comment_118592424

That is just your attitude though, and not necessarily the one of someone else who decides to rob someone’s house. They most likely think very differently.

You will always have people like that walking the streets and they will target anyone who seems like fair game. The best thing is to have your guard up and keep them behind a closed door.

waterboy15

Incidents such as this are the reason older members of society especially those on their own are afraid in their own homes. These scumbags should rot in jail and hopefully get a weekly beating same as they did to Tom.

I hope the people close to the perpetrators come forward.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118592510#Comment_118592510

You said that the gardai know who does these things but they don't bother to do anything about it.

freshpopcorn

Some of of know of families with new cars, good clothes, glitzy Weddings, Communions, etc.

These people sometimes have no jobs and survive on social welfare and have being in and out of prison over the years.

If I comment on where do these people get the money from for such luxuries I'd be told I'm a begrudger be some people.

I live in a rural area and people are terrified of these guys calling around sometimes acting as salesmen. They call around selling socks, boots, tools, knifes, etc

In my opinion they just want to know do you keep cash in the house or do you have anything worth steeling.

They can be fairly intimidating guys and will totally knock people's confidence. Some just buy stuff to get rid of them.

The Gardaí often have a fair idea who did it but it can be hard to prove and when they do they'll be out of jail in very little time if they went at all.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118592500#Comment_118592500

Yes it's a horrible thing to be minding your own business in your own house and someone to come in and so much as threaten to raise their hand to you.

That's why I think a minimum sentence of 10 years is an appropriate sanction.

jay0109

An old man in such a rural location targeted like this has to have some local spotter involved that passes the info on to the scumbags outside the area who then do the job. Or someone working in a bank/post office where he may have withdrawn money and the info got passed on.

Leg End Reject

The poor man is on life support now.

https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2022/0206/1278115-sligo-burglary/

Jinglejangle69

What we should do is lock these **** away and when they get out leave them to die in the street.

What we do is give them a free house, benefits, fuel allowance, medical card etc etc

Paul Murphy who said he was elected to break the law.

Honestly for a country of 5 million look at the crimes over the last few weeks.

The county is vanishing down a toilet bowl rapidly, quicker than anyone ever imagined.

upandcumming

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118592491#Comment_118592491

In that same vein, I heard a story of a guard who was involved in a car chase with some gouger who ended up crashing - no major injuries at all. Putting him in the squad car the gouger said that the guards problem was that he (the guard) cared if he got killed or injured and that he (the gouger) didn't give a **** either way.

TooTired123

One of the main problems is that “law and order” is not an election winning issue. So elected representatives are not bothered about this at all.

Right now, the people who actually vote in elections are interested in left wing social issues such as climate change and gender/minority equality issues.

A lot of them would be looking for less policing, not more. Middle class prosperous city dwellers are not affected in any way by these type of crimes and are heavily inclined to side with the perpetrators due to an over abundance of middle class guilt.

Multipass

We need to get that new prison built ASAP, and fill it up. I’m willing to bet everything I own that the perpetrators here had a long string of previous, and probably a warrant or two. We badly need a 3 strikes and it’s life system to take these scumbags out of society.

SEPT 23 1989

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118593708#Comment_118593708

I don't want to pay for people to stay in prison who would break both the eye sockets of a 73 year old man

I would like to see them removed from society permanently

This poor man probably isn’t gonna survive. I hope I’m wrong but what sort of life would he have if he does survive? This should be currently an attempted murder investigation not a robbery. Hitting the man in the face with an iron bar as soon as he opened the door 😡

Id like to see these scum die burning just like those other scum did in the car on the motorway.

bertiebomber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118592242#Comment_118592242

yes the same people every time, they robbed my friends house while she was at work broke in let out her dogs and took all her jewellry & cash. She was very shook but at least they didnt steal the dogs, for that she was grateful she moved house as she was not able to sleep or go to work in peace after that . Its very unnerving.

bertiebomber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118592671#Comment_118592671

you are right they do call selling stuff and to reccy the place they called to my 78 year old mothers, thankfully she has 55kg belgian shepherd and he is fearsome to look at. She opened the door and they scarpered quickly. The sign on the gate said beware of the dog, they have never come back.

Varik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118593639#Comment_118593639

It's not allowed to be an election issue. RTE and the rest of the media as well as every NGO would dog pile on anyone who did.

We're meant to believe that after a presidential election were over 20% suddenly appeared or changed their vote based on a nothing comment about travellers that no other politician even some random independent in a GE where votes are worth more hasn't thought of doing the same.

It's a fixed game and none of them want to fight for their place at the trough, the left don't want to try for their socialist utopia as it'd be difficult and probably fail, the greens won't push for anything too big as it might effect them, and what passes as right wing in Ireland (occasional nothing comments from Leo) barely matter amount to anything. Same piss coming out of a different tap.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118593708#Comment_118593708

Even just getting rid of concurrent sentencing would make a huge difference.

But we're not getting that, and from the recent enough supreme court ruling on the firearms repeat offenders we're not getting anything at all as they found it unconstitutional to apply mandatory sentencing guidelines to a particular class of people (repeat offenders).

So any legislators has to apply to everyone, and then the judges have full control over sentencing and continue to hand out soft sentences when it suits.

Just read over the debates for the Criminal Justice (Amendment) Bill 2021, it's infuriating.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118592242#Comment_118592242

Yes but it certainly is most.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118592399#Comment_118592399

It wasn't quick and that was nice.