Aggravated burglary in Sligo

CB19Kevo · 06-02-2022 7:36pm #1

https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2022/0206/1278115-sligo-burglary/

At what stage do we as a society choose to tackle crime such as this.

Over the years we have seen the vulnerable time and again targeted in viscous assaults and yet we still seem to not be appropriately dealing with the issue.

Its very easy for those of us here on boards in our 20's to 60's to think we are somehow invincible and could fight off an attack however we all will get old and less able to defend ourselves and will rely on living in a society that can protect us. Are we failing - I would say yes!

Its very easy to get wrapped up in an emotional response to incidents such as these however if we were to take logical and meaningful actions to counter such attacks would anyone have any suggestions.

I do feel investment in education now may garner significant results in 20 / 30 years, such as social awareness and social responsibility study. In addition we do need to resource Gardai with the actual ability to proactively target criminals through dedicated gang task forces and i suppose key to much of this is harsher sentencing for violent crime with particular focus on attacks on any vulnerable person/creature.

Am i just being too critical of our current standards or do we need to implement substantive change?

Xander10 · 06-02-2022 7:41pm

What annoys me is , in most of these cases the Gardai know who are carrying out the crimes but there isn't the will to bring them to justice.

[Deleted User] · 06-02-2022 7:47pm

An emotional knee jerk response is what is needed.

JeffKenna · 06-02-2022 7:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591580#Comment_118591580

A smart ass reply shows what kind of person you are to be honest.

gmisk · 06-02-2022 7:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591550#Comment_118591550

I think there might be the will in some cases, just not the evidence?

Even if they have the evidence the sentencing is generally a joke

Curious_Case · 06-02-2022 7:56pm

I think tech. is the answer. Preventative tech. & Repercussive tech.

Systems to allow "lock-out" on detection of intruders. Systems to "light-up" intruders' vehicles (uv sprays, electronic activation of tracking chips, number plate recognition, etc.)

Education is pointless if there's no media (biological) in which to seed thoughts. Bear in mind, we are dealing with evolutionary dead-enders here. Having their IQ's tattooed on their foreheads may be beneficial too.

Jequ0n · 06-02-2022 7:56pm

How do you think you can tackle it as a society? It’s always happened and it always will.

Just because the person was elderly doesn’t make this worse than other robberies.

Xander10 · 06-02-2022 7:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591612#Comment_118591612

Agree with first part and monitoring of these individuals can lead to success.

But yes the courts can be a joke when it comes to sentences.

goldenmick · 06-02-2022 8:07pm

The sentencing laws are a complete joke.

Part of the problem lies with the fact that those who create these laws and sentencing guidelines live a world away from the reality that your average man does. Safely tucked away in their expensive homes and mansions, for the most part chauffeured everywhere, they've never once experienced real crime perpetrated on them.

I say bring back the birch, double the sentencing, no perks or money sent in if you are in prison, and scrap probation... instead maybe let them know real pain and give them a good rogering up the arse with the biggest dildo you can find. This should do the trick...

CB19Kevo · 06-02-2022 8:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591628#Comment_118591628

It would be rather unfortunate to think we could not effectively solve an issue even if it was a challenging one..

Well i would argue that an attack on a vulnerable person such as an older person,child or person with a disability is worse as not alone the inability for a person to protect themselves but also the longer term impact.

Violence clearly regardless of who the victim is needs to be targeted generally, certainly agree with you on that.

[Deleted User] · 06-02-2022 8:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591580#Comment_118591580

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591594#Comment_118591594

Not being a smartarse. Measured responses dont stop these criminals. An angry electorate protesting outside the Dail may make the politicians bring in rushed legislation,, 20 years for aggravated burglary, life for repeat offence

Allinall · 06-02-2022 8:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591792#Comment_118591792

What makes you think those penalties will have any effect on the crimes involved?

[Deleted User] · 06-02-2022 8:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591550#Comment_118591550

Who doesn't have the will?

Xander10 · 06-02-2022 8:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591823#Comment_118591823

The gardai. I have seen it on several occasions.

[Deleted User] · 06-02-2022 8:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591809#Comment_118591809

The culprits invariably have dozens of previous convictions. Having them confined to prison will greatly reduce further crime, the longer imprisoned, the greater the effect. There was a noticeable decrease in these types of crime after a well publicised car accident killing 3 known burglary crime gang members last year. Also while harsher penalties may not stop them committing their next crime, it just may encourage them to continue their crime sprees outside this juristiction, in areas with lower penalties

Galwayguy35 · 06-02-2022 9:10pm

They must have given him a right going over, real hard men picking on a 73 year old man living alone.

Whats the chances if/when they are caught every one of them has dozens of previous convictions.

SafeSurfer · 06-02-2022 9:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591628#Comment_118591628

Beating and robbing elderly people in their homes in Ireland. Has it always happened?

It was incredibly rare for decades. Became more common in the 80s.

Does it make it worse because the person was elderly, vulnerable? Yes it does. Both in the eyes of society and the judiciary.

John Doe1 · 06-02-2022 9:44pm

Was it a McDonagh or Ward?

elperello · 06-02-2022 9:44pm

Breaking into an occupied house minimum sentence 5 years.

Offering any violence to occupants minimum sentence 10 years.

Thelonious Monk · 06-02-2022 9:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118592228#Comment_118592228

Am I wrong to assume pretty much every burglary in rural Ireland is carried out by a certain community?

Jequ0n · 06-02-2022 9:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118592197#Comment_118592197

It’s human nature, it happens everywhere and will always happen. From the criminal’s perspective it makes perfect sense to target someone who is less likely to put up a fight, or someone who is trusting enough to let them into their home.

The only way to reduce this from happening is by reporting these incidents so people are aware that it could happen to them too.

elperello · 06-02-2022 9:50pm

Raising hares about who they are is no help at all.

Catch them and sentence them, simple as.

Galwayguy35 · 06-02-2022 9:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118592242#Comment_118592242

Well quite a few of the robberies would be carried out by the ethnic minority, over this end of the country anyway.

Mwengwe · 06-02-2022 10:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591628#Comment_118591628

It does put it on the more callous end of the scale, especially as there wouldn't be any real need to assault someone that age in order to subdue them.

[Deleted User] · 06-02-2022 10:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591875#Comment_118591875

You have seen gardai know the offenders of a aggravated burglary and they did nothing?

rubbish

ED E · 06-02-2022 10:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591550#Comment_118591550

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/number-of-burglaries-in-leinster-plummets-after-deaths-of-three-criminals-in-n7-crash-40859415.html

High speed pursuits are clearly the answer. Some risk to the public but perhaps worth it.

Jequ0n · 06-02-2022 10:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118592382#Comment_118592382

Depends on what happened and if they fought back. I am not condoning it, but the details of the attack are obviously not known so I won’t speculate.

Mwengwe · 06-02-2022 10:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118592408#Comment_118592408

Not really in my view. If they fight back and you can't subdue them, as unlikely as that is, then leave it. Grievously assaulting someone in their 70s is beyond the pale and people like that shouldn't be walking the streets.

elperello · 06-02-2022 10:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118592424#Comment_118592424

Subduing someone with the threat of violence is an assault.

Dempo1 · 06-02-2022 10:25pm

Shocking stuff and only the very worst type of lowlife scumbags would do such a thing.

I wasn't aware this incident occurred in January.

TooTired123 · 06-02-2022 10:28pm

Was chatting on Friday to the young wife of a 26 year old man who was, last. Tuesday, given 8 custodial consecutive sentences amounting to around 4 years, for burglaries and trespassing etc. She was full of the unfairness of the whole thing. He’s been locked up for most of their 5 year marriage. She has 2 small kids. Pleasant girl with a total and complete absence of any notion of the difference between right and wrong.

I asked her did she ever think about how the people in the properties must be feeling when they find they’ve been robbed. She’d never ever given it any thought. It was as if he had every right to try and take it if he wanted to. The homeowner/car owner didn’t have any more right to that jewelry/car/laptop then her husband did, and her husband is a drug addict (through absolutely no fault of his own) and he needs to feed his habit, so he possibly has more rights.

Very revealing stuff.

Aggravated burglary in Sligo

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