How long until we see €2 a litre and will it push more to EV's faster?

warrior00

Electric cars suit most people who live in the commuter belt around Dublin once they have a decent size battery. You can drive to and back from work on one charge and have some battery to spare. People who live inside cities can drive a older or smaller cell battery cars to do them on their drive to where they want to go in the city and get back home without having to use public charging.

Yes I do know electric cars are not for everyone especially if you drive across the country or have a large commute but there is a large number of people they will suit.

mikeecho

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121206806#Comment_121206806

Yet, if he said EV was the only intelligent option, would you have still said that?

unkel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121207102#Comment_121207102

Did you listen to the actual podcast, or at least the bit about EVs? He's a really funny and likeable guy but his opinions were a bit simple and superficial. And of course the sun's summary was totally out of context. But one of the howler's of Mat was that it couldn't be right that Tesla as a company was worth more than Toyota.

Mr. teddywinkles

Range poverty going to be rampant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121206852#Comment_121206852

I can drive from Limerick to Dublin and back without charging. What you on about Willis?

warrior00

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208507#Comment_121208507

And do a few trips around Dublin?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121209108#Comment_121209108

Changing goalposts?

warrior00

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121209768#Comment_121209768

I'm not changing anything. It's all well and good to drive up to one spot in Dublin from Limerick and back again but as I pointed out in my original post that electric vehicles do not suit everyone especially if you drive cross country and do a few trips around the city or suburbs when you are in Dublin.

enricoh

Waiting ages for a taxi the other night, taxi driver apologized as the other lad that usually works alongside him had gotten an electric yoke n had run out of battery.

A lot to be said for throwing e50 of diesel in in 2 minutes Vs parked up getting recharged. You have a couple of golden hours to make your money taxiing at the weekend. Probably a non issue in Dublin where its busy the whole time.

josip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121212490#Comment_121212490

Thanks, your story above has provided the unequivocal evidence that EVs won't work out. I'm going to put ours up on Done Deal right now and see if I can offload it to a bigger idiot than me. It's back to the super reliable TDi for the foreseeable.

waterwelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121206655#Comment_121206655

How is it "better" for the planet?

That's a bollox argument at this point.

They get mined out of the ground using coal, oil and gas.

They get delivered around the world using coal, oil and gas.

They run on electricity often produced from coal, oil and gas

They run on roads built largely using coal, oil and gas.

"Slightly less damaging to the planet" is what you meant to say.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121211943#Comment_121211943

You did yeah, unless Limerick has moved to the Dublin commuter belt...

unkel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121212674#Comment_121212674

Well, both my EVs that I bought second hand have been running 100% on zero emissions solar PV from the panels on my house over the last 4 months. Not too many people can say that about their petrol / diesels 😉

Also no need for any child slaves in Africa forced to mine for cobalt that is needed to make diesel / petrol from oil

waterwelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121212720#Comment_121212720

Your car was still mined out of the ground and shipped around the world using coal, oil and gas destroying the planet in the process.

Nothing zero emissions about your EV's as you drive them along roads built and maintained using fossil fuels.

Dirty auld coal will be backing them for a long time yet.

Zero emissions vehicles, lovely green washing that.

unkel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121212756#Comment_121212756

The use of coal for electricity generation has been on the way down for a long time. Worldwide. Not only is it filthy, but it now simply is too expensive. Thankfully. Wind and sun are far cheaper. The grids worldwide are getting greener every year. Not quickly enough in my book though.

Personally I am trying to do all I reasonably can. Both cars are EVs. I produce more electricity per year from solar PV than I need for my house, for heating my water and for driving my cars.

waterwelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121212774#Comment_121212774

But that's not an option at all for an awful lot of people.

Coal production in 2022 reached an all time high and is expected to exceed that in 2023.

I doubt oil and gas production is trending any different.

As we reduce our fossil fuel dependency in Ireland it just frees up more fossil fuel resource for developing countries.

There isn't a hope of changing the global warming tragectory at this point. Pissing against the wind is all we are at.

josip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121212798#Comment_121212798

According to the most recent update I have from the IEA, there's been a 17.3% reduction in electricity generated globally from coal compared to 12 months ago.

The latest IEA's Monthly Electricity Statistics report including June 2023 data shows that for Total OECD:

In the OECD, total net electricity production amounted to 864.1 TWh in June 2023, down by 4.5% compared to June 2022. Over the first half of 2023, electricity production dropped by 3.7% compared to the same period last year.

This decrease was mainly driven by reduced electricity generation from fossil fuel sources (-7.4% y-t-d), led by a significant drop in electricity production from coal power plants (-17.3% y-t-d). Natural gas, on the other hand, remained in line with previous year’s levels (-0.4% y-t-d). Overall, the share of fossil fuels in the OECD electricity mix was 50.2% in June 2023, around 1.6% lower than in June 2022.

Total electricity production from renewable sources was stable over the first two quarters of 2023 (+0.3% y-t-d), as strong generation from solar (+ 12.3% y-t-d) compensated for lower output from wind (-1.0% y-t-d) and hydropower (-2.3% y-t-d). The share of renewables in the OECD electricity mix settled at 33.5% in June 2023, almost unvaried compared to the same month last year.

Over the first half of 2023, electricity generation from nuclear slightly decreased by 0.6% y-t-d, with nuclear power recovering in the second quarter of 2023 and mitigating the reduced output registered in the first quarter. In June 2023, nuclear plants accounted for 16.0% of total OECD electricity production, up by one percentage point compared to June 2022.

waterwelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121212901#Comment_121212901

That's just electricity though. Coal gets used for other things too.

Total coal consumption reached an all time high in 2022 and is expected to increase again 2023.

There's simply no way we will change the global warming trajectory at this point.

NIMAN

Getting back to the price of fuel, the latest war that began over the weekend in the Middle East , will surely have the price of fuel at €2 very soon.

josip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121212943#Comment_121212943

The other things aren't the topic of this thread. Electricity that can be used to fuel EVs is.

galwaytt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121198955#Comment_121198955

not so - where do you think your electricity in Ireland comes from ? Oil, coal, gas still accounts for 45% of electricity production. And that's before you go even near the profligate waste of making a new vehicle when another stands intact.

And who's talking about V8's? Lots of modest 1.1/1.4/1.6/1.8 ICE around that are perfectly clean, economical, but shaft the owners on tax.

EV touted as the new Messiah solution is the same as the one the Green's sold us in 2008 when diesel was that years' messiah solution to CO2 emissions. That con lasted barely a decade.

EV is by no means a slam dunk.

waterwelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121213113#Comment_121213113

It is relevent. Coal is used to make the steel that makes the "Zero emissions" EV.

You are simply trying to deflect now as you don't like a few inconvenient truths about EV's.

unkel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121213167#Comment_121213167

Coal is now just a small minority of fuels used worldwide to generate electricity and on a steep decline. Not sure why you seem to be clinging onto the idea that coal is used for all electricity production?

In Ireland the biggest source of electricity production is wind (and on the rise every year), second is natural gas. Coal is only a couple of percent, like hydro and solar PV (which is also on the rise)

josip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121213167#Comment_121213167

Steel production is the very same for EVs and for ICEs. As is road construction. I've never said EVs are zero emission.

dashoonage

oh let it go lads....

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121213306#Comment_121213306

For all the talk about emissions, there's a lot of horseshite being spouted on this thread :P

dashoonage

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121214226#Comment_121214226

Not good for the datacenter emissions at all at all....

Padre_Pio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121212943#Comment_121212943

"Your EV runs on coal power"

"Nope, it runs on solar power"

"Well it was MADE using coal power"

Nope, coal isn't used much to power manufacturing"

"Well coal does other bad things!!"

Talk about nonsense. 😁

waterwelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121213184#Comment_121213184

Never said coal is used only for electricity production. The point is coal consumption is ever increasing and it's too late now to change the path of global warming.

Moving to slightly less damaging EV's ain't going to solve the problem.

unkel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121214299#Comment_121214299

It's decreasing, not increasing. This was shown to you already.