How long until we see €2 a litre and will it push more to EV's faster?

AngelaRI · 03-03-2022 06:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118725044#Comment_118725044

Same! My fill-up cost has gone up a shocking amount (had to bite the bullet last night - ouch! €55-ish last March to fill up, €70-75 now. And I don't play fuel-roulette either so that's not even an entire tank's worth). Thankfully, rather than commuting through 2 tanks a week, a tank now lasts me 4-6 weeks (unless I'm going away somewhere for the weekend).

But...

Due to lack of driving, I occasionally have to take the 'scenic route' to Tesco to charge up the car battery if I notice it struggling to start. At this rate though, a new battery might soon be cheaper than a full tank 🙄😂

However, I live pretty rural, so having my car is 100% essential. Public transport here is infrequent, and off-peak practically non-existent, and no such thing as Go-Car anywhere near here

brokenangel · 03-03-2022 06:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118727110#Comment_118727110

Replacing 1 million cars with 1 million electric cars is totally pointless. We should be investing all money into public transport. As you say making it easier for cyclist as well.

bazz26 · 03-03-2022 07:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118727099#Comment_118727099

The only car manufacturer I'm aware of that cheated and was convicted is VW. Were the rest of them convicted also? Also did big business dictate government strategy or policy because it sounds like you are saying that the Green Party had no part to play in the fiasco or were just gullible and eager to get their policies implemented? As for not foreseeing people buying diesels for the cheap tax, the dog on the street saw that happening, there was even a big thread on boards about it just after it was announced. You didn't need an Irish politician's degree in teaching to work that out.

I also haven't heard any TD's saying they will leave government because of the Children's hospital fiasco either, what does that say to you? It says to me don't expect them to do what's in their voters best interests.

brokenangel · 03-03-2022 07:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118727408#Comment_118727408

They all cheated, Merc/Nissan etc was all caught. The difference was VW pi**ed off the US motor companies with a huge market share and they got hammered. The software after all was developed by Bosch who supplier all dealers. See below. Google them all and you will find they all done it.

The Green party implemented a system to clean up cars, that was the plan. They had two issues,

The car manufacturers lied
The irish people preferred to spend thousands to reduce tax

If the car manufacturers hadn't lied and the system implemented had targetted the correct cars would it be classed now as a "fiasco"? no it wouldn't

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltaylor/2020/09/15/mercedes-benz-parent-daimler-to-pay-22-billion-in-diesel-cheat-settlement/

mikeecho · 03-03-2022 08:16PM

I noticed a few stations have raised diesel by 12 to 15¢ overnight.

Petrol and diesel are now at a par on price.

I've been told, that is because diesel is quicker to refine than petrol, the price change gets passed on quicker.

Fuel companies who sold fuel to petrol stations set a price twice a week... This has now changed to daily pricing.

An industry insider expects fuel to be D€1.919 & U€193.9 by the weekend,. And it ain't stopping there.

tibia · 03-03-2022 08:19PM

While current prices are eye-watering (I have seen diesel over €1.90 per litre) the variation in prices between different retailers is also astonishing. I saw diesel around €1.64 on Sunday and according to pumps.ie Campus on East Wall Road was €1.649 yesterday. I am wondering why some forecourt prices have been jacked up over the last few days. I know the price of oil has gone up but it normally takes a while to filter through to the forecourt. I wonder if it's an attempt to take advantage of any reduction in excise duty which the Government might be about to announce?

circadian · 03-03-2022 08:20PM

2 quid a litre by month end, easily. I'd imagine it'd be closer to 220 then.

bazz26 · 03-03-2022 09:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118727464#Comment_118727464

Bottom line it was their policy and their decision to implement it, they should have done proper due diligence before tinkering with something they obviously knew very little about. All too easy for the political culture to deflect blame elsewhere rather than having some accountability. Yet you can be sure they would have taken all the applause and kudos if turned out differently. Big egos and lack of proper knowledge got in the way.

03-03-2022 09:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118727893#Comment_118727893

What would proper due diligence look like in the context of unearthing a global emissions scandal?

sonofenoch · 03-03-2022 09:25PM

Garage in Inchicore was 1.82 pl thIs morning ..........went in later that day had gone up 5c to 1.87 ...WTF

Danzy · 03-03-2022 09:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118725467#Comment_118725467

Bought Tractor diesel a short while ago at a Euro a litre, rushing now to stock up before it goes to 1.40 shortly.

It's easier to list the farm inputs that haven't doubled in the last 12 months.

Lots of key global one's have trebbled.

Food production is verging on unsustainable in Europe now, it's past it I'm just in denial.

Will car Diesel hit 3 this year?

Danzy · 03-03-2022 09:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118727970#Comment_118727970

Drive carefully past it tomorrow then.

bazz26 · 03-03-2022 09:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118727956#Comment_118727956

Lets turn it around another other way. Would you believe and take it as gospel from any manufacturer the claim that their products were super clean? Do you think that is like asking the turkeys to vote for Christmas?

03-03-2022 09:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118728053#Comment_118728053

Thanks for the confirmation that your notion was just plain silly

brokenangel · 03-03-2022 09:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118727893#Comment_118727893

Can you explain to me what the due diligence was? every expert in the field pointed towards diesel as a better alternative and "cleaner".

I know everyone in Ireland seems to think the government is the cause of every woe in their life but if VW wasn't as successful in the US selling diesel cars then we would probably have never found out.

mikeecho · 03-03-2022 10:18PM

€2.25 for diesel, and €2.40 for petrol are on the cards.

Atlantic Dawn · 03-03-2022 10:46PM

I suppose €3 a litre will lead to a lot of cars being parked up as people will be unable to afford to drive to work, the price of ICE cars then dropping as demand to buy them will also drop off.

BorneTobyWilde · 04-03-2022 01:12AM

Waste vegetable oil is free, or can be obtained, if you have a willing business that is willing to say '' fair play'' take it.

And old school Merc diesel and some waste oil and you're set.

BorneTobyWilde · 04-03-2022 01:41AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VxYuYiZZZA

brokenangel · 04-03-2022 01:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118729222#Comment_118729222

HVO is a valid fuel for newer boilers, suppliers are in Ireland. With the price of kerosene now over 1200 for a fill it could be an option for some

cnocbui · 04-03-2022 02:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118727099#Comment_118727099

Diesel exhaust contains the most powerful carcinogen ever discovered - 3-nitrobenzanthrone - which has been known about since 1997 and has nothing to do with NOX or dieselgate, it would always have been the wrong decision.

cnocbui · 04-03-2022 03:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118727258#Comment_118727258

No we shouldn't. We can't afford it, to say the least. Public transport is hideously expensive and we are already cripplingly indebted and 60+% of Irish people do not live in Dublin.

brokenangel · 04-03-2022 03:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118731488#Comment_118731488

Hindsight is a great thing. Fact is leading up to 2008 when the change was made diesel was seen as the cleaner fuel. Most of this was because the car manufacturers lied in testing. It was years later that it was discovered that in fact diesel wasn't as clean, plus the fact it takes more CO2 to refine diesel makes it worse

Imagine in 2007 it was 72 percent petrol car bought new in Ireland, in 2014 it was 26 percent yet the average journey didn't increase.

Now I see loads of people saying XYZ was a reason it was never a good deal like above, yet at the time I heard nobody say it was a problem, apart from the dealers who suddenly had loads of petrols that nobody wanted to buy. Complaints about the second hand market dying etc but nothing about diesel not been a cleaner fuel.

brokenangel · 04-03-2022 03:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118731556#Comment_118731556

63% of people live in Urban areas and that is increasing. Dublin is just one city

Public transport can pay for itself while reducing the cost of living for a lot of people. Every other country in the World figured that out years ago, Ireland is one of the few countries in the World without any train system to cover the country.

We already have a road system which covers the entire country, we have no requirement for more roads. Every spare penny should be invested in public transport and stopping one off build which in the long terms are costs Ireland billions trying to provide services to them.