How can we integrate Unionism into a possible United Ireland?

eire4

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120615577#Comment_120615577

No question the good friday agreement is not set in stone for all time. At some point Irish reunification will come and that will be the end of the good friday agreement.

Charles Babbage

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120618445#Comment_120618445

There is nothing unjust about a person unable to accept democracy not getting what they want, nor should society pander to people who wish to colonise them just because they have been trying to do that for a long time.

Packrat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120621086#Comment_120621086

But thats not what I said, what I said/meant was that it would be injust to expect them to leave. It's not even a remote possibility anyway so fairly irrelevant.

Absolutely its not unjust that they should live in a state that they as a minority disagree with, but as I pointed out, - they'll cause annoyance, difficulty and possibly mayhem within it.

And as I also said, I'd vote in favour of a UI regardless.

Montage of Feck

It's increasingly obvious that unionism is now on the wrong side of history, they've left themselves little wriggle room with their stance on Brexit. It's a degenerate ideology like the KKK or national socialism and should be left out in the cold.

Dublin was once the second city of the empire with a large working class loyalist population which disappeared almost without a trace since independence.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120618445#Comment_120618445

Yes, but you're not defining what a 'united Ireland' would actually look like. It's very unlikely that it would just be a continuation of the Republic with six extra counties added (i.e. retaining the tricolour, Amhran na bhFiann, the Gardai, the Dáil etc). A 32 county state would be a brand new entity and would look different to what we have now (we don't even know what sort of parliament it would have or how the new government would operate).

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120621364#Comment_120621364

I'm curious what makes "New Irelanders" think that such changes would be acceptable to a majority in the 26 counties?

I can speak for myself, I wouldn't support such changes like changing our flag or our anthem or form of govt.

Who would we be doing this for? To appease a small minority on the island we should upend everything.

Packrat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120621364#Comment_120621364

Well aware of that. Id still hold my nose and vote in favour.

What I'd be sadder about is the inevitable violence precipitated by any version of a UI or NAI.

People probably die in every scenario apart from status quo.

I'd still vote in favour.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120621618#Comment_120621618

I wouldn't like any of those changes either, but practical reality means some or all of them would have to happen for a UI to occur.

Us just annexing the north would be a recipe for even greater violence and a far higher number of deaths.

Not sure I'd vote for that.

Dickie10

theres a silent group getting bigger all the time in republic of ireland that would vote NO to UI. THey know the mayhem and war that would be unleashed by the UVF and other Loyalist groups in republic if it happened. it would be IRA all over again they would believe it was a just war, that republic of ireland was taking over a part of Britain by force. like all Geurrilla armies in war they only need to be lucky once in setting bombs off in the likes of croke park or Aviva at matches or in small provincial towns in carlow, kerry etc. the Gardai would need to be on high alert all the time, would the irish army have to fight the loyalists terror groups? Anyone who thinks a United Ireland would not be a full on civil war is living in cloud cuckoo land i think. the only answe may lie in where as some poster said a few minutes ago, where did the working class loyalist families of dublin go to post 1922? we are becoming more familiar with the story of what happened the middles and upper class loyalists around ireland in the south after 22/23, seems they left in thousands to England after landed estates and houses were burned or commandeered. anyone any information on working class loyalists in dublin city?

Only way out of having a united ireland without too much bloodshed would be reintegration to the Commonwealth, maybe have an Australian style flag with small British flag integrated to a new flag with green, orange and Blue. maybe use a flag of stpatrick as he unites us all as christians. Maybe push politics towards a christian conservative party that would united catholic, protestant and prysbtarian and this would bring in DUP/FINE GAEL/AONTU/FIANNA FAIL member who are against abortion, gay marriage etc. i ften found the likes of Ian Paisley actually had an awful lot of common ground with catholics conservatisim and catholic church , socially conservative groups thats the way forward, make groups unite on common values north and south. perhaps leave room for a rebirth of a new Labour party to gain support in large urban areas like Belfast, Dublin, Derry, Cork, Limerick.

we basically need to strip back everything we have painted on to ireland to make us different from UK. A lot of it is only window dressing anyway since 1906 era irish language, GAA, mythology eetc.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120631009#Comment_120631009

this is just scare mongering.

the UVF and other loyalist groups do not have the support and ability to carry out the type of attacks they were able to carry out during the troubles, nothing near it.

they were only able to do that because of the support of the british state and they don't have that, the most they can do is small scale rioting.

the common wealth is irrelevant, wasting our time integrating ourselves into it is going to do absolutely nothing as unionists dont give a stuff whether we are part of it or not.

if there is to be any violence, and it's unlikely, it's in a situation where NI votes yes but the ROI votes no, and even then it is not going to be anything serious because the support and ability isn't there.

a UI is unavoidable, it is going to happen, that's set in stone, the question is when and whether we vote for it or have it forced on us by the british state who decide they no longer want NI.

BaywatchHQ

This is the typical type of unionist that you will welcome into your New Ireland. There are many of them too.

https://twitter.com/MarkWilson1980/status/1659557270928195584

maccored

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120631009#Comment_120631009

a UI needs discussion - https://www.sinnfein.ie/files/2022/Citizens_Assembly_on_Irish_Unity.pdf

William_Flynn

Iain Paisley Sr. in an interview said he would welcome a united Ireland… under the crown.

However this form of a united Ireland, which is acceptable to unionists, wouldn’t be to the majority of people calling for a united Ireland.

Fred Cryton

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121835594#Comment_121835594

But isn't that what was on offer as "Home rule" in the 1920's, which Ulstermen said they'd go to war against? Essentially a Dublin parliament within the UK. So Ian Paisley Jr welcomes that, really?

scottser

Once we take back the 6, we can just refer to Unionism as 'terrorism'. Ban their marches, their flags, and turn the state's media against any extremist views. Make them feel ashamed and disgusted at their leaders by linking them with racism and pedophilia. Get the middle classes to do a proper hatchet job on it in the same way they did with republicanism.

You can't mollycoddle loyalists. Best just to oppress the shite out of them. They will always feel victimised anyway, sure, it would be wrong to disappoint them. Besides, look what the Israelis are getting away with.