Irish language gets full EU status today

lurleen lumpkin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118413352#Comment_118413352

'She certainly takes a very unusual position for a unionist (if she would call herself a unionist)'

downcow

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118413412#Comment_118413412

So please do tell us what is wrong with that? 100% accurate. Her position on Irish language is highly unusual for a unionist. Her late husband’s party takes a very different position as does every unionist party in ni.

I also did not want to assume she regards herself as a unionist. There is a huge vote in her constituency for alliance who are pro Irish language. So if you asked me to guess l, I would guess she does not vote for a unionist party. But you will note I qualified my statement by saying ‘if SHE would call HERSELF a unionist’. I couldn’t have been more respectful or fair. Indeed if I recall correctly, I actually explicitly said I respected her. If I didn’t, I’ll say it now. I like people who challenge the status quo

anyhow, I understand why you are suspicious of everything I utter.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118413054#Comment_118413054

The only objections Adams or anybody else has to your wee 12th is to the bigoted and sectarian displays downcow. If you are claiming they (Adams and anyone else) want to wipe out your culture...then you are accepting that bigotry, sectarianism and racist displays are part of your culture.

Nobody objects to you marching or bonfring if it is within the law and not bigoted and sectarian. I want to wipe out bigotry and sectarianism from wherever it comes.

I won't be appeasing it to attract you into a UI either.

p.s. I told you to do your own research when you asked me to back up your assertion.

Pity thread is yet another clusterfcuk lead to the dumpster by the pretend unionist(i do admire her fishhooking of the subject matter and bringing to its usual drool conclusion,though😅)

Interesting prospect it being a eu language and provides some potential for irish language interpeters to further carrers within eu instituations,outside of pat fox few years ago we are woefully under representated at the bearucrat level within the EU for a country that is something like 97% pro-european

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118413840#Comment_118413840

I wonder has the resurgence of Gael Scoilenna starting to have an effect, in the amount of translators coming available.

Upforthematch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118413858#Comment_118413858

Yes I'd imagine so and the Gaelcholáistí even more so.

Upforthematch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118413012#Comment_118413012

You must indeed be a scholar or at least a very good copywriter @boardise . I'm impressed how you can describe this example of "language shift" in such politically neutral terms by avoiding all references to colonisation and you even manage to evaluate the emotional status of the people during this process. Bravo.

Let's complete your evaluation of the period.

"In the 19th century, many Irish parents voluntarily sent their children to school through English knowing that there were no other opportunities available for them and were 'quite happy' that emigration to the English speaking world would result. Thus Irish people today have the inestimable advantage of a large diaspora which projects them to a position of political, economic and cultural prominence hugely disproportionate given the small numbers which could afford to remain in Ireland. This enables ready and advantageous communication with large swathes of their third, fourth and fifth generation cousins who often tell stories of the challenges their great grandparents had to overcome as Hiberno-English speakers including racism, humilation and extreme poverty. Had our ancestors decided to keep using Irish as a communication tool they could have done so and perished in a corrupt society stacked against them. Fortunately, they chose wisely to survive."

There are very few of today's Irish speakers looking to rewind history. Instead they are creating their own future with a language so harshly maligned to within a breath of its existence. Thankfully we no longer live in the 19th century and in the 21st century language diversity is now valued and endangered languages especially so. As a self-proclaimed language scholar I imagine you would be sympathetic to this, no? Let's call it a new language shift if you wish.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118413352#Comment_118413352

What drags discussion into nastiness is knowing full well that someone identifies as a loyalist, but then posting a snide remark about them to cast doubt on that, because in the bigoted tribal politics of the North casting doubt on the validity of someone's community identification is one of the tactics used to invalidate opinions that don't line up with one's own. It's also a common tactic when behaving badly on social media to insist that the person who points this out to you should go off and waste their time "gathering evidence". I really don't mind what you assume; for my part, I'll assume that the people at Cairde Turas won't be seeing you any time soon.

For anyone with a curious take on the subject, here's a link:

https://www.cairdeturas.com/

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118413840#Comment_118413840

I think the take home pay for a translator or interpreter is just shy of €6,000 a month, with legal translators on higher salaries. That's no bad thing, but one of my concerns is that it might lead to a brain drain of well qualified and young Irish speakers, when they're needed here. As it is, anyone from a Gaeltacht area who wants to go for a high-end academic qualification or a high-end career with or without Gaeilge has to leave the Gaeltacht, so having them leave the country as well is a bit concerning.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118414065#Comment_118414065

I thought boardise's contribution was a classic of the 'whitewash out/or deny' genre, favoured by partitionist/Unionist narrators.

You are correct, the new Irish wave accepts the history (including the Irish state's failures in saving the language), warts and all.

JohnnyIreland

Anyone interested in Irish or English H1 leaving cert notes from a "grind school" let me know! I do not need them anymore

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118414187#Comment_118414187

Imagine selling your life for €70K a year, translating EU documents into Irish, that you know in your same heart & soul that practically no one will ever read. What a waste of a life.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118415063#Comment_118415063

You can take that attitude to a whole host of careers...silly and a bit patronising there Furse.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118415063#Comment_118415063

Will many people be preserving your own life's work for the good of humanity after you pass?

will they set up an oul' institute maybe to preserve it for future generations? 😀

I'm being sarcastic of course but the point is valid. Plenty of people enjoy languages and learning and understanding and using them. You will have people learning Latin or trying to decipher old long-dead languages. There is more chance of those Irish Language documents being read than anything that comes from that. It doesn't mean it isn't worthwhile or that it is any more a waste of life than what you or I do. (Including me posting this sh1te)

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118415155#Comment_118415155

I disagree - someone working the tills at Aldi or sweeping the streets would be contributing far more towards the needs of society.

That's what life is about eh? Leaving your society in a better place than it was when you were born. Useful productive work.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118415298#Comment_118415298

Sounds more like jealousy tbh

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118415288#Comment_118415288

Of course, plenty of people love languages. But honestly, just who reads EU legislation for pleasure?

A moot point here though, is the legal position of these same translated EU documents in this Republic. Will the Irish form of them be considered superior in a legal sense where there are the inevitable differences? Probably already decided as this is a potential minefield with room for excessive legal costs going forwards.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118415298#Comment_118415298

More patronising subjectivity.

There is plenty of dead end jobs for the sake of jobs in this world that contribute little to the 'needs of society'.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118415331#Comment_118415331

What like yours? Paid to post continuously on matters SF? :)

Mind you, you could well argue that what you do (paid or not) is a more useful contribution. At least a few people read & engage with your daily wisdom.

FrancieBrady

I love taking people to that point when their 'argument' falls so flat on it's embarrassed face they need to engage in a petty bit of invective.

downcow

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118416175#Comment_118416175

You certainly don’t suffer from embarrassment when your arguments fall flat.

you still haven’t managed to show us what it was that was agreed on Irish signage. You should copy the councils in when you find it because they are all doing different things

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118416937#Comment_118416937

What did I say was 'agreed'?

I didn't say anything about 'what was agreed'.

HERE IS WHAT I SAID...'there is dual language signage all over the north' and more and more is appearing the latest council to introduce it, being Belfast.

downcow

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118416990#Comment_118416990

I really don’t want to go over this all again. You said consensus had been reached and you said “Dual language signage is NOT controversial in 'much of the north', in fact it exists in much of the north and nobody bats an eyelid at it.”

i think most rational people can see this is utter nonsense

downcow

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118411767#Comment_118411767

So we are all Irish and need to grow up. All simply because Jaylen Attractive Bellboy defines himself as coming from Ireland. Mmmmmm

“ but the matter of fact is we’re all IRISH, (like if asked where I’m from, I said Ireland, I don’t say I am from the REPUBLIC OF SOUTH IRELAND. REPUBLIC.) and IRISH is our countries language.”

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118417492#Comment_118417492

bro what is actually wrong with you? haha.

downcow

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118417537#Comment_118417537

I guess, in your eyes, what’s is probably wrong with me is that I am British and born on the same island as you.

same island, different country.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118417053#Comment_118417053

So are you in denial that large areas of the north have dual signage and more and more areas are getting it?

Sure there are people ranting about it but they have done that about parades, flags, agreements and protocols but they are here to stay too.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118417669#Comment_118417669

I don’t have a problem that you’re British. I don’t care. At all.

however, your being British or not doesn’t explain the nonsense you typed.

So we are all Irish and need to grow up. All simply because Jaylen Attractive Bellboy defines himself as coming from Ireland. Mmmmmm

this is not something I said. What I said was, if on the island of island, the Irish language is so offensive that even the thoughts of looking at it on a road sign are too much for you, go somewhere else to live.

like I’m depressed I even have to go this far with it.. but has no one else, in their lifetime, had someone tell them “if you don’t like it go somewhere else” meant either literally or figuratively.

for example, when I was a teenager, if I disagreed with my folks on something they’d often comment “well if you don’t like my rules go live somewhere else!” Obviously they didn’t mean it literally and I certainly never would have said something as ridiculous as you in response.

likewise it could be used in a literal sense— for example a supermarket. You could go and complain about the prices of things and you’d be directed to go shop elsewhere.

now do you think anyone is reading what I said, bearing those examples in mind & taking it literally? Do you reckon anyone booked their plane tickets?

no, they’re not, of course. So rather than respond with any real argument you’ve just clutched onto this notion I’ve effectively expelled you from the country/island, which is neither my desire (or within any sort of authority I do or do not hold) so going back and forth with this is absolutely pointless. Like honestly if you have nothing useful to add leave me alone? Why are you filling up my inbox with such shite I’ll never understand.. does it honestly offend you so much that I don’t immediately drop to my knees seeking your forgiveness for what I’ve said and don’t worry downcow we’ll rid of all Irish just so you don’t have to be offended by it’s existence.

Once again for those in the back— what I said was

if the national language of Irish is so utterly offensive to your eyes and ears even road bilingual road signs are too much to cope with you can, just like anyone; move elsewhere so you don’t have to be plagued by the offence.

if, however, you can be a big boy or a big girl and just get over it since it doesn’t impact you in any meaningful way then congrats on being an adult. (as I said also, would you go to Canada and demand they stop speaking French because you don’t like it?).

if on the other hand you’re too much of a cry baby to look at the Irish language and rather bury your head in the sand and pretend Irish doesn’t exist and Britain didn’t come and force us all to speak English, then my advice is to piss off to England.

keyword, downcow, that’s just my personal advice on the subject, it would apply to any and all who want to act like big cry babies over a road sign.

if you don’t like it, tough. Go be a crybaby elsewhere. Stop replying to me with rubbish.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118417669#Comment_118417669

Also that’s a terrible victim complex you have there downcow.

Assuming my problem with your posts is your British? Why would that be? What’s the angle there exactly, I disagree with you therefore you hate me cos I’m British?

give me strength.

downcow

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118417690#Comment_118417690

….slowly slowly. So you have withdrawn your claim that “nobody bats an eyelid at it.”

now we just need you to realise that this statement is inaccurate “Dual language signage is NOT controversial in 'much of the north'” - although I suppose your last post sort of retracts that as well.

now that wasn’t so painful, was it?