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Cars or the planet? What would you choose?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭ blindjustice


    Is it possible to add a poll in the new boards setup



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,502 ✭✭✭ daheff


    I'm choosing a helicopter. Less traffic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,303 ✭✭✭ atilladehun


    In cities there's definitely a market for not owning cars but using them, especially now with WFH. Being able to book a regular car at a lower price than a taxi, or monthly repayments, insurance, petrol and then tax will become an option in the future. Especially with technology and automation.

    This doesn't mean it's for everyone so don't panic. The market will determine this one. Ownership will still exist and it will be a gradual changeover.

    As you've linked, the whole world will change here, Eamon Ryan will have very little say in it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 512 ✭✭✭ MakersMark


    I choose my truck over the planet.


    But that's not really the choice though, is it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,229 ✭✭✭ Greyfox


    It would be great to get rid of most cars are get more people cycling



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,706 ✭✭✭ dodzy


    Poll for your favourite car.

    "Get rid of the car. Get a bike"

    FFS 🙄



  • Registered Users Posts: 73,798 ✭✭✭✭ Atlantic Dawn


    Get rid of the commercial production of meat instead.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,696 ✭✭✭ Markcheese


    Can I not just vote that everyone else should get rid of their cars - and other climate change influencing lifestyle choices , ?

    Leaving me free to drive around on empty roads in a giant pick-up truck , eating steak sandwiches and running my air-con with the window open .... Yee-haw...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭ SafeSurfer


    Cars

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭ RandomViewer


    I'm thinking my next car should have a huge engine and no cat, maybe 2 big straight through exhausts, cowcatcher like a western train for pushing cyclists aside,



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,451 ✭✭✭ correct horse battery staple


    That’s one way to reduce their carbon footprint 😂



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 33,794 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Seth Brundle


    Want less cars, provide an alternative fit for purpose public transport system ..

    Like busses? But then you need to remove all the cars in order to make it fit for purpose. It wouldn't be fit for purpose if the busses had to sit in a traffic jam caused by people in cars!



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,405 ✭✭✭✭ cnocbui


    Could we just get rid of all the CO2 catastrophists instead? I'll take cars.

    There are lots of equally fatuous and stupid questions you could ask; like which 5 billion are we going to cull for the sake of the planet? Which do you pick - hot water and home heating, or the planet?. Between cooked food or the planet, which do you choose? Elctricity and health care, or the planet?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,220 ✭✭✭ growleaves


    People can't get around medium to long distances by bicycle.

    If genuinely serious about abolishing cars we would need to bring back horse and carriages.

    "We have years of struggle ahead, mostly within ourselves" - Jean-Luc Godard



  • Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭ MarkHenderson


    Motorbikes.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,451 ✭✭✭ correct horse battery staple


    We should also have members of Green Party going after said horses and collecting the poop 💩 for veggie patches!


    it’s a win win



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 33,794 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Seth Brundle


    Who suggested abolishing cars? (The greens didn't in case you try and suggest that they did)

    However, the majority of people driving into Galway and other cities across Ireland should not have this as their default commuting choice. We need to have sustainable choices and not pander to the motoring lobby (which I'll admit I used to subscribe to in the past) because cities should not be dominated by cars as they have done in the past. It is inefficient, dirty and completely unhealthy for both the driver and the people living in the surrounding neighbourhoods.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,220 ✭✭✭ growleaves


    Right so what do you suggest? I suggest that driving a horse and carriage is more realistic than pedalling a bicycle over large distances.

    When cars were first invented they were called horseless carriages.

    You don't want cities to be dominated by motorised cars. But not all travel is within cities, i.e. within cycling distance.

    So... horses

    "We have years of struggle ahead, mostly within ourselves" - Jean-Luc Godard



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 33,794 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Seth Brundle


    Are you that lacking in imagination that a functional public transport network doesn't spring to mind but horse and carriages do?

    Plus for those that must use a car or van, there would be less traffic on the road.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,220 ✭✭✭ growleaves


    Covering the whole country? Won't happen. Have you been around Ireland?

    How many decades will an interlinked electric rail system take to build? We can't even build a metro to airport.

    Yes horse and carriages spring to mind because they would work and have worked. They are roughly equivalent to motorised cars which replaced them at the beginning of the 20th century.

    That is more realistic than expecting people to hop on a bicycle each time they want to travel from Waterford to Belfast.

    "We have years of struggle ahead, mostly within ourselves" - Jean-Luc Godard



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 33,794 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Seth Brundle


    That is more realistic than expecting people to hop on a bicycle each time they want to travel from Waterford to Belfast.

    Given that absolutely nobody has proposed such a means of travel, why are you being so melodramatic and posting such a suggestion to make your bias appear reasonable?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭ blindjustice


    horses need energy too. No fossil energy, but food. This means that replacing tractors with horses would raise the need for additional agricultural land to grow feed for the animals (land that in turn has to be cultivated by extra horses). Tractors could derive their fuel from agricultural land, too, if we turn food crops into bio-diesel or ethanol. Therefore, to know whether it is a useful strategy to replace tractors by horses, we have to know how many extra acres would be needed to feed the horses, and how many acres would be needed to “feed” the tractors.

    "Powering agriculture with tractors requires almost 2.5 times as much (bio)energy than powering agriculture with horses"

    This calculation was done in a study published in the ‘American Journal of Alternative Agriculture’, eight years ago. With oil prices almost 4 times lower than today, the researchers might as well have been talking to a brick wall.

    Conclusion: when everything is taken into account, powering agriculture with tractors requires almost 2.5 times more energy than powering agriculture with horses.

    Swedish study published in 2002 came to similar results: it concluded that a tractor-based agriculture consumes 67 percent more energy than a horse-based agriculture. The Swedish also calculated that the energy input in (local) agriculture increased 13-fold from 1927 to 1981, while total agricultural production in 1981 was only 2.4 times that in 1927. Find a link to the full pdf of the Swedish studies here.



    So we are going back to horses?!



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,036 ✭✭✭✭ Tell me how


    Thread title is fairly obvious question no?


    For me also the cars should be cut down to a minimum. The car industry pulled a massive trick in convincing people to spend so much of their disposable income on something that they don't use for so much of the time, and when they do use it, use it for such short journeys most of the time also.

    I think people are deliberately missing the point about needing a vehicle for a long journey occasionally and therefor cars must be maintained. In a sharing option, you can still book the car for the long journey as you need it every now and then, or still own a car if you are someone who does need it much more frequently.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭ c.p.w.g.w


    All the talk of going electric...And we can barely cover existing electricity demands...Only solution is to go Nuclear...Yes its expensive but its the only solution...the waste can be stored on site...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭ c.p.w.g.w


    You'll have he vegan's up in arms if such a move was to be considered



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