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Protest

  • 12-12-2021 10:29pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭ memorystick


    I see a group of farmers are protesting in Kilcock. No coverage on RTÉ but you’d expect that. Farmers are being treated very poorly at the moment. Only one thing will be achieved- the Cuffe chap will be forced to go. The best of luck to the lads protesting, IFA would do nothing anyway.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭ History Queen


    Is this protest organised outside of the IFA similar to the beef protests and pickets a few years ago?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,916 ✭✭✭ Say my name


    I see the anonymous enviro accounts are targeting Pat O Toole on twitter.

    Pat joined an Taisce. Cuff is very close to their hearts. The enviro machetes are being pulled out now.

    The best of luck to those farmers.

    It's a savage game. Farmers finally have hit on a very tender spot.



  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭ Easten


    Doubt they'll get any sympathy from the public if they start disrupting the lives of ordinary people by block roads or doing the drive slows. It could backfire very quickly



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,382 ✭✭✭✭ wrangler


    There's a lot of farmer opinion against the protest, Any farm organisation would be foolish to plough in behind them.

    This could do a lot of harm like the beef protest did, so be as well to wait to see what they achieve before criticising IFA.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,893 ✭✭✭✭ Reggie.


    They got alot of public support in Dublin the last time they were up there



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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,893 ✭✭✭✭ Reggie.


    Doesn't seem to be alot against the protest around here anyways. Don't forget its not just the farmers. Its the haulage industry, SMEs, the Dublin taxis and limo drivers are supporting it too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,382 ✭✭✭✭ wrangler




  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭ Easten


    Yeah I can imagine the support you'd get by making an ordinary Joe queue for 2 hours to get home from work.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,853 ✭✭✭ bogman_bass


    Firstly, Cuffe, as an MEP, has as much power as you and I to influence banking policy so his the wailing and gnashing of teeth over his letter is giving him more attention than he deserves.

    Secondly, since it pretty clear that most farmers would never, ever vote Green so the fact that farmers are upset won’t matter a damn to them.

    finally, how exactly is blockading a supermarket distribution centre going to get a green MEP to step down?



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,382 ✭✭✭✭ wrangler


    A huge amount of stuff goes out of musgraves every day, I wonder is there many more musgraves depots to take up the slack, if this is blocked for long the shelves won't be long emptying,

    The plan is to hit another distribution centre today if they have the support, but I'd say they haven't the support



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭ GrasstoMilk


    Most of the truckers protesting are the ones that undercut everything be else the last year and now can’t afford diesel

    so my milk haulier says any way



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,382 ✭✭✭✭ wrangler


    It's just a straw to grab on to, A reason for action, this wasn't an issue when this protest was being planned.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,382 ✭✭✭✭ wrangler


    I heard plenty of complaints at the time, the new graders were being put in anyway, and unless you know what the base price should be the bonus isn't worth a damn



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭ alps


    If they think that Cuffe's comments have caused problems for farmers, the protest should be at Cuffe's office. How can it be fair or sensible to block food going to your own consumers, when they have absolutely nothing to do with the issues in hand?



  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭ Still stihl waters 3


    You realise thats how most businesses work, put in a price you think you can do it for and you get the job or not, diesel is up 27 percent on last year so its hard to keep a contract when you could be paying an extra 100 euro plus per truck per day on fuel



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,170 ✭✭✭ Jjameson


    They should get every mart and meat factory to slip in a little levy for them, opt out of course.. ten million per annum would be a mighty achievement..



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,170 ✭✭✭ Jjameson


    The only thing they can do is discredit it with bluster and misinformation.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,441 ✭✭✭ herdquitter


    Just on protests - not specifically this one. Farmers have to change tactics. The old BS of gathering outside a department or a politicians office is a waste of time. Regardless of our own divisions we don't have the voting power to worry politicians. One only needs to think of the environmental pressure coming on farming vs. every other fossil fuel based activity in society. Politicians won't act as severely against a lot of fossil fuel based activities simply because they'd be unpopular for doing so. Farming needs to look outside of itself and it's history to find new methods of leverage. I'd go so far as to say we need to closely examine both our adversary groups and international events. Tractor cades and speech-I-fying, I'd rather hit myself in the head with a plank.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,620 ✭✭✭ Kevhog1988


    so what group are actually protesting outside musgraves?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,307 ✭✭✭ Hard Knocks


    Sadly all protests are similar, you show you’re not happy with status quo, but outcome doesn’t change, big dogs win again



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,077 ✭✭✭✭ Base price




  • Registered Users Posts: 10,382 ✭✭✭✭ wrangler


    People are entitled to their opinion, IFA have delivered 100s of million to farmers over the last few years yet there's farmers taht say that it was for the factories but as far as I know the farmer got the cheque and if they were idiot enough to give it to the factory it wasn't anyones fault but their own.

    It's fairly obvious it was a rising market any way and unlike the sheep facories the beef processors are not returning the increase to the farmers, That's why I say that the base price is not where it should be, After all lambs are at least 60% more than the beef price. so any bonus is well absorbed by keeping down the base price



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,382 ✭✭✭✭ wrangler




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭ DBK1


    Yes people are entitled to their opinion, but when their opinion is being printed in a national newspaper and it’s very easily proven as being untrue then that opinion should rightly be ignored.

    It certainly wasn’t a rising market when the protests started with procurement managers openly talking about getting the price down to €3 per kg. So I suppose the fact that it’s rising since then should be credited to the protest?

    Like I said, you’re better off sticking to the sheep.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,382 ✭✭✭✭ wrangler


    I think you should know me well enough now not to be telling me what not to post



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭ DBK1


    You can post whatever you like and I, and everyone else, can do the same (once it’s within the Boards charter obviously!!). But don’t expect people to take on board your views when they can so easily be proven as untrue and biased towards some sort of an irrational hatred of people that achieved something you failed to do in the numerous protests you were involved in. And for the record I stood at some of them beef protests over the years also. I didn’t know who you were at the time as I wasn’t on boards but I’d say we were stood not too far apart, and in unity, at them.

    If I start to give advice on sheep or dairy it wouldn’t be long before I’d be shown up to be far less knowledgeable on them topics than a lot of other people here. The same goes for you with beef, it’s just best left to the people that understand it.



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