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I see a group of farmers are protesting in Kilcock. No coverage on RTÉ but you’d expect that. Farmers are being treated very poorly at the moment. Only one thing will be achieved- the Cuffe chap will be forced to go. The best of luck to the lads protesting, IFA would do nothing anyway.

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wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118315980#Comment_118315980

I'm just realistic, I'm not in any organisation but I know what the factories will give you. Beef plans protest should've shown everyone that the factories aren't for turning. I had a phone call from someone at musgraves to day saying that there's very poor support from our area, Who ever was there this guy would know the locals, I just said I m not surprised ..... been there, done that, One night only two of us manned a protest in Clonee. ... nearly killed ourselves with a gas heater in the caravan too. Wait'll you see this protest die.

As I said before, If you want a car with airconditioning, you don't want a seller at your gate with a protest because he wants to supply one without, customer is always right

GNWoodd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118315681#Comment_118315681

So farm organisations have given up then ?

It is not even just the income or the declining fortunes of small to medium sized farms , all of which generated a comfortable living in the past for those involved . Farm organisations cannot even make progress on relatively small issues. e.g We are still being penalised for an animal being killed over thirty months where the consumer pays the same price for the meat as for the meat from under thirty months animals . It is at least twenty years since BSE was an issue .

Is it beyond the capability of the individuals involved to go to battle on even the minor issues ? Genuine question

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118315469#Comment_118315469

Public service is a poor comparison, we could all take a good salary out of our farms and lose the farm, that's exactly whats going on in the PS, The health service is a result of that.

Farm size is too small in Ireland, we see the average income per farm, but sure the average farm size is only about 30has, that could never be counted as a full time job, Uk farms average nearly 90ha. Farming is going the way of all the industries that we've lost in Ireland . No amount of lobbying is going to change that, unless to give all farmers the dole

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118314924#Comment_118314924

Oh yea, a massive reduction, I remember the membership being 100000+

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118315010#Comment_118315010

Yea, I believe there was even a row last night when the guards asked for someone to speak to. I heard that our local rep was near been sent home

GNWoodd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118314097#Comment_118314097

All you have to do to find out why people are so disgruntled with official representation is compare how those working in well represented sectors have fared over the last ten years with those who are represented by , for example, the farm organisations .

Compare how even the lowest paid public servant has fared as against a full time farmer .

Even the narrative used by farm organisations is pitiful at this stage .

Kevhog1988

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118314340#Comment_118314340

Out of interest would the ifa membership have increased/decreased over the past number of years?

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118314231#Comment_118314231

It won't do IFA a bit of harm unless of course they achieve megabucks out of it, Like the beef processors the Government would be foolish to give into them

bogman_bass

More like a lack of acceptance of what can realistically be done and which issues can and can’t be influenced by protest/lobbying

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118314097#Comment_118314097

Lack of results probably.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058222596/protest

Thought was very curious actually, Virginia Media had a full segment live from the protest. Seems there's an increasing number of people going it alone with protests, the independent hauliers out again today but reports seem to suggest a poor show .

Curious as to what's leading to so many people being so disgruntled at official representation.

DBK1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118313854#Comment_118313854

I don’t know how this protest will go, to be perfectly honest I didn’t even know there was a protest taking place until I saw it online yesterday eve.

Whatever about blocking Musgraves, I’d be strongly against trying to block up Dublin especially at this time of year. I think that will do far more harm than good.

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118313788#Comment_118313788

We'll see how this protest goes but I'm not the only one criticising. we can't all be wrong.

The port is blocked now too...... by teh lorries

DBK1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118313733#Comment_118313733

You can post whatever you like and I, and everyone else, can do the same (once it’s within the Boards charter obviously!!). But don’t expect people to take on board your views when they can so easily be proven as untrue and biased towards some sort of an irrational hatred of people that achieved something you failed to do in the numerous protests you were involved in. And for the record I stood at some of them beef protests over the years also. I didn’t know who you were at the time as I wasn’t on boards but I’d say we were stood not too far apart, and in unity, at them.

If I start to give advice on sheep or dairy it wouldn’t be long before I’d be shown up to be far less knowledgeable on them topics than a lot of other people here. The same goes for you with beef, it’s just best left to the people that understand it.

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118313654#Comment_118313654

I think you should know me well enough now not to be telling me what not to post

DBK1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118313611#Comment_118313611

Yes people are entitled to their opinion, but when their opinion is being printed in a national newspaper and it’s very easily proven as being untrue then that opinion should rightly be ignored.

It certainly wasn’t a rising market when the protests started with procurement managers openly talking about getting the price down to €3 per kg. So I suppose the fact that it’s rising since then should be credited to the protest?

Like I said, you’re better off sticking to the sheep.

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118313333#Comment_118313333

The provisional IFOI

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118313385#Comment_118313385

People are entitled to their opinion, IFA have delivered 100s of million to farmers over the last few years yet there's farmers taht say that it was for the factories but as far as I know the farmer got the cheque and if they were idiot enough to give it to the factory it wasn't anyones fault but their own.

It's fairly obvious it was a rising market any way and unlike the sheep facories the beef processors are not returning the increase to the farmers, That's why I say that the base price is not where it should be, After all lambs are at least 60% more than the beef price. so any bonus is well absorbed by keeping down the base price

Base price

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118313333#Comment_118313333

The People's Front of Judea ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0BpfwazhUA

DBK1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118313228#Comment_118313228

So you’re quoting an article written 2 weeks after the protest ended? Did you ask that same man at any stage in the past few months what his opinion on it was? Did you ask how his end of year accounts are looking since?

Like any protest you take short term pain for long term gain. And now 2 years later the gain has far outweighed the short term pain.

I would also completely discredit that article on the basis he said there were no beef farmers at the protests. I’m a beef farmer and I was there, the majority of people from my neighbourhood that were at the protest were, and still are, beef farmers. On that point alone his article has to be discredited as quite frankly what he was saying was untrue.

I kept sheep many years ago. I would still have a reasonable knowledge on them but not enough to start telling current sheep farmers what they should or shouldn’t be doing and what is a good or bad move for their business. I’d assume it’s the same for you with beef so it’s probably best to leave the advice on beef farming to people that are actually involved in, and knowledgeable about, beef.

Hard Knocks

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118313313#Comment_118313313

Sadly all protests are similar, you show you’re not happy with status quo, but outcome doesn’t change, big dogs win again

Kevhog1988

so what group are actually protesting outside musgraves?

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118313209#Comment_118313209

Just on protests - not specifically this one. Farmers have to change tactics. The old BS of gathering outside a department or a politicians office is a waste of time. Regardless of our own divisions we don't have the voting power to worry politicians. One only needs to think of the environmental pressure coming on farming vs. every other fossil fuel based activity in society. Politicians won't act as severely against a lot of fossil fuel based activities simply because they'd be unpopular for doing so. Farming needs to look outside of itself and it's history to find new methods of leverage. I'd go so far as to say we need to closely examine both our adversary groups and international events. Tractor cades and speech-I-fying, I'd rather hit myself in the head with a plank.

Still stihl waters 3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118313177#Comment_118313177

You realise thats how most businesses work, put in a price you think you can do it for and you get the job or not, diesel is up 27 percent on last year so its hard to keep a contract when you could be paying an extra 100 euro plus per truck per day on fuel

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118313186#Comment_118313186

Very sound Columnist.

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/beef/beef-protests-are-now-beginning-to-backfire-very-badly-on-farmers-38592921.html

alps

If they think that Cuffe's comments have caused problems for farmers, the protest should be at Cuffe's office. How can it be fair or sensible to block food going to your own consumers, when they have absolutely nothing to do with the issues in hand?

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118313186#Comment_118313186

I heard plenty of complaints at the time, the new graders were being put in anyway, and unless you know what the base price should be the bonus isn't worth a damn

DBK1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118313102#Comment_118313102

I’d love to know what the harm was that the beef protest caused? And I don’t mean in a IFA this or Beef Plan that sense, I mean what harm did it cause?

Beef farmers are getting 8 cent/kg more for every in spec animal they’ve killed since the protest due to the rise in the QA bonus given at the time. That’s about €28 per head on an average 350kg carcass. We’ve also seen a big improvement in the grading of cattle, or certainly I and all my neighbours have in the midlands based factories. Cattle are all grading at least one grade better than they would have since the protest due to all the focus that was put on grading machines and their calibration at the time. That’s worth at a minimum 6 cent per head and depending on the type of stock could be worth up to 18 cent per head if the better grade gets you into QA spec so that’s from €21 to €63 per head extra since the protest. So that’s a minimum of €49 per head and possibly €91 per head extra for every animal killed since the protest. It certainly made a huge difference to my end of year accounts since

Now I appreciate a semi-retired sheep farmer who doesn’t actually have any cattle, and so the protest was irrelevant to, is not going to know or understand any of that but if you actually asked any beef farmers you’d find out this information.

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118313162#Comment_118313162

It's just a straw to grab on to, A reason for action, this wasn't an issue when this protest was being planned.

GrasstoMilk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118313121#Comment_118313121

Most of the truckers protesting are the ones that undercut everything be else the last year and now can’t afford diesel

so my milk haulier says any way