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Would you support Ireland ending the common travel area with Britain?

  • 07-11-2021 2:20am
    Posts: 0 Milena Most Ledge

    Would you support Ireland ending the common travel area with Britain?

    I personally hate the idea of British people being allowed to live and work in Ireland following Brexit but also after the recent amnesties that were given to British soldiers who committed murders during the troubles. I think its wrong we have this kind of relationship with them considering they think so little about these peoples rights.

    I spent some time living in Scotland and all I can say is that there is no real solidarity between Ireland and Scotland - Scotland seems pretty comfortable being part of the Union. It has also been suggested by political leaders here that separatism comes with its ''dangers'' and Ireland is often cited as an example. I was never one to question Ireland's fight for liberation- I always regarded it as a legitimate one. The Scottish on the other hand - do and I think Irish people should be concerned about that.

    Irish people are definitely regarded as foreigners here and the political relationship and mentality between the two countries are worlds apart and are at times - frosty. The impression I get here is that the UK can do no wrong and they never question their role abroad or what they have done in the past. If they really feel like this, then I suggest the relationship with them should be ended.

    Does anyone else feel the same?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,107 ✭✭✭ con747


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  • Posts: 0 Milena Most Ledge

    If the British government is not prepared to protect Irish people's rights NOW then what hope is there for it in the future? We should not be turning a blind eye to this for the sake of ''business''.

  • Registered Users Posts: 31,736 ✭✭✭✭ Princess Consuela Bananahammock

    Ah, sure why not? Worked in North Korea - hardly any Brits over there.

    Do NOT ask me how I define the terms "man", "woman", "male" or "female" when you reply to this post. You know the answer and it's probably irrelevant to the discussion :)

  • Registered Users Posts: 27,003 ✭✭✭✭ Wanderer78


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  • Registered Users Posts: 775 ✭✭✭ Burty330

    I support Ireland join the United Kingdom. Our hero's didn't die so this country could be ruled by foreign entities in Brussels. Ireland is a failed state. Get rid of it.. Support a united Britain!

  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 8,857 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Jim2007

    Lets hear them then, since you are the one advocating it.....

  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 8,857 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Jim2007

    How is it the responsibility of the British government to protect Irish citizens rights? That is the role of the Irish government. We will act in our best interests and that includes maintaining the CTA. Most of your arguments are not in the best interests of the country, but relates to you personally and your feelings towards other races and we have a name for that.

    Perhaps you have not heard of it, but there is an international agreement called the Good Friday Agreement. We are all signed up to it as to how Northern Ireland affairs are dealt with including how and if a United Ireland might come about. And that is the majority decision.

  • Registered Users Posts: 31,736 ✭✭✭✭ Princess Consuela Bananahammock

    I'm guessing he's never heard of The Troubles or would see a return as a minor sacrafice.

    Do NOT ask me how I define the terms "man", "woman", "male" or "female" when you reply to this post. You know the answer and it's probably irrelevant to the discussion :)

  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]

    Pretty sure this would mean ripping up the GFA, so it probably ain’t a good idea to be honest.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭ 20silkcut

    It was the actions of the British government in the 19th century that Doomed the union of Britain and Ireland to failure. The ordinary Irish man on the street was not that bothered about the wider political situation for much of that time except for specific incidents of gross British government mismanagement that brought the union into focus.

  • Registered Users Posts: 68,318 ✭✭✭✭ seamus

    Ending it with Britain, I wouldn't be too concerned. By necessity we would still require a deep level of free travel between the two islands, but at the same time the lack of the CTA would give us more freedom to participate in other free movement schemes like Schengen.

    We can't end common travel with the UK though. We can't have a border in Ireland.

    On a point of personal principle, we should be moving towards a point in several generation where we have a world without borders anyway, so ending the CTA is not something I'd be fighting for or that would grab my vote.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭ mick087


    Ending the common travel area IMO would be totally unthinkable-unimaginable for over 80% of Irish people.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭ Snickers Man

    I think Britain is far more likely to end the CTA with us than vice versa.

    CTA worked fine when neither Britain nor Ireland were in EEC/EC/EU

    It worked fine when both were in EEC/EC/EU

    When one is in and one out, as pertains today, there will be "issues" before too long.

    How do you know that somebody crossing the border or getting off the boat in Holyhead is an Irish citizen (and therefore entitled to free movement) or a citizen of another EU country and therefore NOT entitled to free movement?

    You don't.

    Only a matter of time before it goes to buttress Brexit, IMHO.

  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]

    Why would someone travel to Ireland to enter the UK, when they could just get the ferry to Dover?

  • Posts: 0 Milena Most Ledge

    Do you believe we would have the common travel area with Britain if Northern Ireland didn't exist? From the impressions I get here, I don't think we would. The comments here would have you believe the two countries are best friends.

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,919 ✭✭✭✭ cj maxx

    God No.

  • Registered Users Posts: 22,377 ✭✭✭✭

    If Ireland remains part of the EU the CTA will more than likely be ended at some point anyway.

    The bigger point is we don't need it and haven't for decades.

    Also the worry of "being treated as a foreigner" as an argument not to enhance borders with our neighbor is patently ridiculous.

    We chose to be foreigners with independence.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Sam Russell

    Just look at the De Souza case - the laws that were required to support the GFA were not enacted or amended in 20 years, and it took De Souza to take a case to the UK Supreme Court before the HO conceded defeat in the case. I am not sure whether the required changes to the various laws have since been enacted.

    The current HS is not fit for the job, so I do not see us changing the CTA, but I do see the current HS doing so at some time to distract attention from whatever is the then current crisis.