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Poland to be fined €1 million daily by EU for not suspending controversial 'disciplinary chamber'

  • 27-10-2021 8:19pm
    Registered Users Posts: 416 ✭✭ Juran

    Did the EU not tell Ireland that VRT on cars imported from the EU was illegal. Funny I didnt see the EU pursue this issue.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]

    Don’t we get fined for charging VRT but the fines come in at less than the total revenue collects?

    Or is that some myth I heard ?

  • Registered Users Posts: 24,314 ✭✭✭✭ Cookie_Monster

    VRT is fine, other countries have similar taxes. Denmark for example.

    It is in no way comparable to the above.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,369 ✭✭✭ olestoepoke

    I do not know who this "noone" individual is you are speaking of. But I would certainly miss Poland, as they are smart hard working and decent people from my experience. 

    I am not anti-EU either btw. You seem quite fond of making large sweeping assumptions of people around here.

    Can you see the contradiction?😂

  • Registered Users Posts: 303 ✭✭ Marcos

    Ah don't mind this kind of pigeonholing and name calling anything that contradicts their worldview; anyone that expresses anything that discomforts them is guilty of heresy and must be punished whether it's an individual or in this case a country or countries. Such illiberal behaviour, ironically from those who believe that they are truly liberal.

    The EU lost a lot of standing when the French and then the Dutch rejected attempts to foist an EU constitution on them, as most people there were perfectly happy with the way things were, something that the mandarins in Brussels and Strasbourg didn't foresee. So they came up with the Lisbon treaty to try and introduce it in a slightly different way but that came with unintended consequences like Brexit. The same mandarins and their followers don't want any opposition or any criticism at all. What will their followers here do if or when the EU says that there should be one immigration policy in all states so Ireland would have to follow EU rules and stop their de facto open borders policy?

    Poland and Hungary are next in the firing line and that's perfectly fine with some on here.

  • And quite clearly, we can see the incompatibility between EU Membership and Democracy.

    Poland escaped communist control, only then to hand that liberated power to unelected old men in Brussels.

    Poland now sees the EU as Communism Mark II - and they're right; power centralised at the centre, and unaccounted power, too.

  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ Gary Plump Stockade

    You don't understand anything about the need for Independence of the Judiciary and separation of powers in Government.

    Here the E.U. are serving the interests of the Citizens of Poland better than their own populist Politicians.

  • That's not the job of the EU, that's the job of the Polish electorate.

    You can agree or disagree with said electorate, but ignoring electorates in favour of an unelected, appointed EU Commission is a dangerous path to follow.

  • Registered Users Posts: 21,972 ✭✭✭✭

    That is not the job of the EU. It is up to Poland and Poland alone to decide who and how they are governed as with every other country.

    Your post demonstrates perfectly the problem with EU supporters. They don't understand how offensive and undemocratic they actually are.

    It is not up to Brussels to decide how any country should be governed or what's good for them.

  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ Gary Plump Stockade

    You are displaying your ignorance. It is one of the Copenhagen Criteria which are conditions for membership of the E.U.

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  • Perhaps Poland should reconsider their membership of the European Union.

  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ Gary Plump Stockade

    PiS can ask the Citizens of Poland. They'll find themselves out of Government in double quick time.

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,782 CMod ✭✭✭✭ ancapailldorcha

    The EU is incompatible with democracy? Prove it.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith

  • Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 2,179 ✭✭✭ Raichu

    As is their right.

    however, if Brexit is any example, that would be a very bad idea.

  • The EU Commission, who wield the lion's share of the power and who are the sole body to propose legislation, are appointed.

    How would you feel if, rather than having an elected Irish Government, the entire cabinet was appointed and each member of that cabinet could not be directly removed via the democratic process?

    I wouldn't be happy.

    The EU have gotten away with it because Brussels feels very distant. When we apply the EU principles of "democracy" closer to home, we would never accept it.

    In fact, Jean-Claude Juncker had to lose an election in his home country before he was appointed as a member of the EU Commission.

    If that's not antithetical to democracy, I don't know what is.

    And this kind of EU bullying of Poland will not be tolerated; of that I'm sure.

  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ Gary Plump Stockade

    Appointed after...? How does that work? Based on your previous contributions I expect you are not particularly familiar with how it works and how Autocrats can't elbow their way in to those positions of influence.

  • The Council of the EU nominates Commissioners - with approval from the EU President.

    The system is set up to ensure that only "the right kind of Commissioner" makes their way to the top; where they can propose legislation for the EU 27.

    Again, this is not a system we would adopt in our own country precisely because we can see how manipulative and anti-democratic (and corrupt) it can become.

    It's no different at the higher level of the European Union.

    Appointed Commissioners, who do not have to face a direct electorate, are antithetical to democracy.

    What's more is that, once appointed, they cannot be removed via the democratic system.

    In fact, in 2015, Jean-Claude Juncker said, "...there can be no democratic choice against the European treaties".

    Don't take my word for it, listen to those at the very heart of this necrotic system.

  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ Gary Plump Stockade

    You are toxic. Your profile picture of Nigel Farage is appropriate.

  • Attacking the man and not the ball is the weakest form of argument.

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