Tory MP stabbed to death while conducting surgery for constituents

tdf7187 · 15-10-2021 1:12pm #1

This is not good. It is very bad.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/15/conservative-mp-david-amess-stabbed-in-essex-attack

15-10-2021 1:20pm

Crazy, what was the motive I wonder.

Claw Hammer · 15-10-2021 1:48pm

That MP must have upset the attacker in some way!

Penn · 15-10-2021 1:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024201#Comment_118024201

May not have been the MP himself, but just due to Government decisions/policies. Hard to know at this stage.

igCorcaigh · 15-10-2021 2:03pm

RIP

https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1449012811288518656

TheValeyard · 15-10-2021 2:05pm

Wow. Poor guy. Not a nice way to go.

Wonder what the fcuk caused it.

Regardless of your political beliefs, no one deserves this.

RIP

tdf7187 · 15-10-2021 2:07pm

He died? Jeez, this is not good. Second British MP to be murdered in the course of performing their work in last 5 years.

Faugheen · 15-10-2021 2:14pm

He was a staunch Eurosceptic and Brexiteer, so wouldn't be surprised if it's somehow related to that.

If it is, then that would be two elected officials whose lives have been lost by a populist box-ticking exercise.

It's a disgrace regardless if this happening to any elected official. Hope whoever carried it out is caught. Domestic terrorism at its finest.

L1011 · 15-10-2021 2:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024365#Comment_118024365

He had numerous strong views with people with equally strong opposite views; some contrary to what you'd expect from someone on the right of the Tories. Nothing that should ever lead to being murdered, but if it was based on his views it may not have been Brexit related.

15-10-2021 2:38pm

They have the guy who did it, only 25.

15-10-2021 2:42pm

That's so fucked up

Tell me how · 15-10-2021 2:42pm

Horrific news.

And as pointed out, second time in 5 years it has happened in UK.

AllForIt · 15-10-2021 2:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024365#Comment_118024365

He was a staunch Eurosceptic and Brexiteer, so wouldn't be surprised if it's somehow related to that

There is no other way to take that comment but anything other than the assailant at least had an excuse and your latter comments don't take away from that either.

And if this is actually the case, can we say that Labour's Angela Rayner who only a few weeks ago called the Tory's 'Scum' is in part responsible in the same way when Jo Cox was murdered it was blamed in part on the Tory's Brexit campaign which David Arronovitch of The Times said 'emboldened extremism'. Yes I think we can.

15-10-2021 2:47pm

Awful news. RIP.

enricoh · 15-10-2021 2:48pm

The woman mp that was stabbed before, was that a pro Brexit head that killed her?

Faugheen · 15-10-2021 2:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024509#Comment_118024509

I wasn't trying to excuse anybody, and I also called the murder of an elected representative domestic terrorism, because that's exactly what it is.

You make this another one of those pointless tit-for-tat right-wing vs left-wing threads all you want but you'll be on your own there my friend.

Going out to kill an elected representative is a slippery slope for democracy. You can take whatever you want but I wont be engaging in your faux-outrage-induced mickey swinging contest.

banie01 · 15-10-2021 2:59pm

The motive here and even more importantly the reaction of the Tory Government are vital to ensuring a continuing and functioning Democracy in the UK IMO.

1. Is this a politically motivated attack?

2. Was it a mental health breakdown?

3. If it is political, was the motive left wing or right wing?

4. If the motivation was left wing? Was it a blow against a perceived nascent Tory perpetual government, what was the trigger how can it be countered? There are already significant concerns re: the new Tory voting bill and restrictions that some on the fringe left see as a power grab. If this was the motivation? What is the reaction?

5. If the motivation was right wing? What further steps is the perpetrator hoping to achieve? Is his attack a blow against a government he believes isn't being aggressive or proactive enough in securing the Union, being British, protecting borders and being Uber Brexity?

The reaction to any of the potential scenarios is something that needs to be measured and cautious. Any kneejerk of restrictions or additional legislation could do damage to what is already a delicate political balance in the UK IMO.

There is a real danger of an incompetent Tory administration attempting to spin this attack into a Reichstag moment and whilst the murder of any Public Representative is a tragedy. It must not be used as fuel for a moral panic and power grab.

I also find it quite troubling that in the time of "Brexit" since 2014, 2 sitting MPs have been murdered, versus 4 in the entirety of the troubles when HMG and Tory and Unionist MPs in particular were targets of paramilitaries.

RIP to Sir David Amess and I do hope that this doesn't signal a restriction of British democracy.

15-10-2021 3:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024509#Comment_118024509

Tory's themselves where wearing Tory Scum badges at their conference in Manchester 2 weeks ago.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1501462/angela-Rayner-mocked-conservative-party-conference-tory-scum-badges

Beechwoodspark · 15-10-2021 3:09pm

RIP to the MP

dudley72 · 15-10-2021 3:14pm

With the carry on at the moment in Ireland it is a case of not if but when is someone going to kill a TD. People are obsessed about them and it is going along the lines of obsession you would normal see for celebrities. It is sick carry on but it won't change till people stop running around after that.

This is a tragedy and no person should be killed for at the end of the day is just a job

tdf7187 · 15-10-2021 3:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024647#Comment_118024647

Your first paragraph is nonsense.

Faugheen · 15-10-2021 3:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024708#Comment_118024708

Is it? Social media allows a voice to be given to fringe elements. I agree it's more unlikely than in the UK but to dismiss it completely is the nonsense imo.

RandomViewer · 15-10-2021 3:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024647#Comment_118024647

If anything it's the opposite, people just ignore them, one time it was a position of status now they are perceived as little more than oddballs and petty criminals, People talk a lot but when it comes down to it that's all it is ,talk,

Condemn what happened to Mr Amess totally

Itssoeasy · 15-10-2021 3:39pm

Horrible horrible news. And people are saying that he was pro or anti whatever but just like jo cox it doesn’t matter in any way shape or form.Neither of them deserved to die because of any positions they hold. Yes you can vehemently disagree with them and voice that disagreement loudly if you want but they are human beings first and foremost and don’t deserve to die.

And that goes for Irish politicians also btw. I do disagree with many politicians here about positions they take but I’d never in a millions years even think of physically or verbally attack them.

Faugheen · 15-10-2021 3:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024774#Comment_118024774

Nobody is saying otherwise. One poster read one line of one post and started spewing shite.

Itssoeasy · 15-10-2021 3:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024726#Comment_118024726

Social media for the good that it does(and yes it does good), it’s given every gobshite a platform to say whatever they want and it’s on the same level as everyone else.

dudley72 · 15-10-2021 3:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024744#Comment_118024744

Look across social media and even here at the obsession with Leo, he does anything and it is all over the web. He went to a concert and its all over the media.

Tell me how · 15-10-2021 3:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024647#Comment_118024647

First paragraph has no basis in reality.

Hopefully we never see a TD or any elected official attacked but if it does happen it won't because they were comfortable with shaking hands with a few people. That aside, most of the commentary we see about TD's is saying how they are so useless they shouldn't be in the job in the first place.

FrancieBrady · 15-10-2021 3:52pm

RIP to the MP.

AllForIt · 15-10-2021 4:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024547#Comment_118024547

Oh believe me there is no faux outrage going on from me in this matter of a brutal murder of man with a wife and 5 children . If one isn't genuinely outraged about something like this what can one be outraged about.

You were the one that described him as a' staunch' Brexiteer as your first thought which I'm certain you didn't mean as a positive, so don't be pinning this left/right tit for tat thing on me.

I've never heard of him but from what's been said he was one of those well liked MP's across the political divide.

HerrKapitan · 15-10-2021 4:09pm

Let me guess, politicians will not have to deal with the public in the future. Introduced just in time for further draconian restrictions and lockdowns arriving later in the year.

The event was already presented to us very quickly, even before he passed away. Perfect theatre.

Manic Moran · 15-10-2021 4:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024398#Comment_118024398

Was he on the right of the Tories?

The man was described by CNN as "very centrist."

Looking at his record, he seems to be anything from anti-fox-hunting to anti-abortion. That said, even if you're a centrist, as you say, you can have strong opinions any one particular matter and as a centrist you've got a fantastic opportunity to make enemies on both sides of the political divide.

15-10-2021 4:14pm

Awful thing to befall him, regardless of views which I thoroughly disagree with. No longer here to argue his case. RIP.

Faugheen · 15-10-2021 4:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024894#Comment_118024894

Are you telling me this is about the word 'staunch'? Do you even know what the word means?

I used the Brexit example because he was a staunch Brexiteer, just like Jo Cox was a staunch Remainer.

The point I was making was that a box-ticking populist exercise has now claimed the lives of two people, if this did indeed happen because of Brexit. Did you miss that while you were foaming at the mouth because you misinterpreted the meaning of a word?

Did you miss me call this domestic terrorism, twice?

So yeah, I will call that faux-outrage. You took one word and took it to have negative connotations and then accused me of making an excuse for the scumbag who did this.

You want to withdraw what you said now? If you are truly angry about this, you will do it.

Or you can continue to be stubborn and try to find a way to spin my post in a way that you want to make me out to be condoning this.

hawley · 15-10-2021 4:34pm

Irish media and politicians are responsible for propagating this type of hate. I made the point before saying how irresponsible our journalists and politicians have been in the wake of the Brexit vote. There has been a relentless avalanche of hate against anyone who supported Brexit over the last five years.

PropJoe10 · 15-10-2021 4:35pm

Absolutely disgraceful. RIP David Amess and condolences to his family.

15-10-2021 4:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118025041#Comment_118025041

I can confidently say there's not a single elected politician or mainstream media outlet in the country that wouldn't condemn this attack. Just because Irish media and politicians have highlighted buffoonery or the UK's handling of Brexit does not make them responsible for a murder. If anything this more seems like you taking advantage of a pretty awful event to push an agenda.

Dial Hard · 15-10-2021 4:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024921#Comment_118024921

Or, y'know, just breaking news in what's been an always-on news cycle since the inception of smartphones...

dublinman1990 · 15-10-2021 5:03pm

The UK has really gone downhill with this anti or pro Brexit ****. No matter how or where you state your opinion on the issue or on other divisive social issues. You should not be killed out in public for just doing your day job. You should have the right to keep yourself safe and protected when you carry out your duties in the workplace.

What these attackers don't realize or understand is that their innocent victims are normal human beings just like us. They are not part of a some secret society or cult that can influence people in how they live their lives. These MP's are public servants going out there doing their work alongside their constituents. They have lives. They have families. They have a lot of self respect among other decent people out there in wider society.

The two people who killed Jo Cox & Sir David Amess for expressing their own moral & political beliefs do not possess these normal traits that other people would have in their day to day lives. They are sick. They are evil. They are domestic terrorists.

I don't even want to think or say when the MP's family members are hearing about this story being reported in the media at this time. Their lives must be going through the same state of perpetual hell within their own heads when an attack like this has happened occurred to their own loved ones. And now they may have to experience that horrible reality when it occurs outside normal people's doorsteps all over again.

And for what purpose? What sort of message do these attacks send to other people in society? If your heads must be that sick to even inflict that sort of misery on people all over again. What do other innocent people say or think about you when you take part in carrying it out among people who live in your own community?

chicorytip · 15-10-2021 5:05pm

I am surprised there has never been an incident such as this here in Ireland.

AllGunsBlazing · 15-10-2021 5:08pm

This decade will be remembered for being completely bat **** crazy.

Rest in peace to the victim. Horrible way to go.

Sue de Nimes · 15-10-2021 5:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024265#Comment_118024265

Or possibly the attacker was provoked by some of the language used by the deputy leader of the Labour Party recently. As you say, hard to know at this stage.

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/19651144.david-amess-angela-rayners-tory-scum-comment-trends-twitter/

RandomViewer · 15-10-2021 5:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024804#Comment_118024804

Poor example, the man craves attention, goes out of his way to get noticed, would suspect a lot of the stuff online about him originates from his own spindoctors,

Tell me how · 15-10-2021 5:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118025181#Comment_118025181

There's been a couple posts like this already on this thread.

Why are you surprised? Ireland, thankfully has a largely engaged electorate and cohort of elected officials who know how quickly they might be removed from their seat. Consequently, there isn't the same separation between those elected and those who elect them as exists in some areas.

We neither have the radically divisive 2 party system which exists in the US, or the 'status-quo' friendly FPTP system that exists in the UK, two countries where we pay close attention to when comparing their societies to ours.

As a consequence of our system, I think people in Ireland, generally, feel they have a chance to elect politicians who align with their specific views and while we have plenty things to get upset about in terms of how our elected officials actually perform their duties, we don't have the radically divisive topics that again, they have in those comparable countries, which has already been pointed out. Although there are attempts to create a perception of there being radical division within Irish society, I hope it remains at the level we have seen with a few flag wearing constitution holding individuals and largely anonymous accounts online.

wes · 15-10-2021 5:21pm

Is their any actual evidence for a motive yet? I think people need to wait and see before jumping to conclusions.

L1011 · 15-10-2021 5:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118025181#Comment_118025181

There was an FG Senator murdered in 1973

milehip · 15-10-2021 5:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118023959#Comment_118023959

You may well have answered you own question there.

Horrific news, RIP.

joseywhales · 15-10-2021 5:35pm

I couldn't imagine an action that could do more damage to democracy. The communication between constituents and their representative is the core of politics by creating terror and fear in that vital conduit is a direct attack on democracy. In a church, at a meeting, it cannot be a coincidence.

Spanish Eyes · 15-10-2021 5:35pm

Shocking murder, god rest him. Where will it all end?

I read earlier that unusually for a Tory (in my thinking anyway), the deceased MP Mr. Amess is a Roman Catholic. Not that it makes any difference, I just noted this fact in my head.

May he rest in peace, and condolences to his family and wider circle. They must all be devastated.

Ardent · 15-10-2021 5:38pm

Rumours going around that the attacker is Somalian.

chicorytip · 15-10-2021 5:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118025236#Comment_118025236

Well, what I was getting at was more about the specific type of incident which occurred here rather than the political system as a whole. Here we had , I am presuming. a mentally ill individual with a grievance ,possibly incited by others, who stabs a public representative to death. It's not as if the deceased MP was even a radical, controversial ot extremely left wing figure who might be considered a likely target of some hate mob.

Tory MP stabbed to death while conducting surgery for constituents

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