This is not good. It is very bad.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/15/conservative-mp-david-amess-stabbed-in-essex-attack
They also have a huge Islamic nutjob problem which we don't have here, yet.
This is the 4 attack in the 21st century in the UK with the first 2 in 2000. There is a lot of extremism and conspiracy nuts in the UK that we don't have here
Well, what I was getting at was more about the specific type of incident which occurred here rather than the political system as a whole. Here we had , I am presuming. a mentally ill individual with a grievance ,possibly incited by others, who stabs a public representative to death. It's not as if the deceased MP was even a radical, controversial ot extremely left wing figure who might be considered a likely target of some hate mob.
Rumours going around that the attacker is Somalian.
Shocking murder, god rest him. Where will it all end?
I read earlier that unusually for a Tory (in my thinking anyway), the deceased MP Mr. Amess is a Roman Catholic. Not that it makes any difference, I just noted this fact in my head.
May he rest in peace, and condolences to his family and wider circle. They must all be devastated.
I couldn't imagine an action that could do more damage to democracy. The communication between constituents and their representative is the core of politics by creating terror and fear in that vital conduit is a direct attack on democracy. In a church, at a meeting, it cannot be a coincidence.
You may well have answered you own question there.
Horrific news, RIP.
There was an FG Senator murdered in 1973
Is their any actual evidence for a motive yet? I think people need to wait and see before jumping to conclusions.
There's been a couple posts like this already on this thread.
Why are you surprised? Ireland, thankfully has a largely engaged electorate and cohort of elected officials who know how quickly they might be removed from their seat. Consequently, there isn't the same separation between those elected and those who elect them as exists in some areas.
We neither have the radically divisive 2 party system which exists in the US, or the 'status-quo' friendly FPTP system that exists in the UK, two countries where we pay close attention to when comparing their societies to ours.
As a consequence of our system, I think people in Ireland, generally, feel they have a chance to elect politicians who align with their specific views and while we have plenty things to get upset about in terms of how our elected officials actually perform their duties, we don't have the radically divisive topics that again, they have in those comparable countries, which has already been pointed out. Although there are attempts to create a perception of there being radical division within Irish society, I hope it remains at the level we have seen with a few flag wearing constitution holding individuals and largely anonymous accounts online.
Poor example, the man craves attention, goes out of his way to get noticed, would suspect a lot of the stuff online about him originates from his own spindoctors,
Or possibly the attacker was provoked by some of the language used by the deputy leader of the Labour Party recently. As you say, hard to know at this stage.
https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/19651144.david-amess-angela-rayners-tory-scum-comment-trends-twitter/
This decade will be remembered for being completely bat **** crazy.
Rest in peace to the victim. Horrible way to go.
I am surprised there has never been an incident such as this here in Ireland.
The UK has really gone downhill with this anti or pro Brexit ****. No matter how or where you state your opinion on the issue or on other divisive social issues. You should not be killed out in public for just doing your day job. You should have the right to keep yourself safe and protected when you carry out your duties in the workplace.
What these attackers don't realize or understand is that their innocent victims are normal human beings just like us. They are not part of a some secret society or cult that can influence people in how they live their lives. These MP's are public servants going out there doing their work alongside their constituents. They have lives. They have families. They have a lot of self respect among other decent people out there in wider society.
The two people who killed Jo Cox & Sir David Amess for expressing their own moral & political beliefs do not possess these normal traits that other people would have in their day to day lives. They are sick. They are evil. They are domestic terrorists.
I don't even want to think or say when the MP's family members are hearing about this story being reported in the media at this time. Their lives must be going through the same state of perpetual hell within their own heads when an attack like this has happened occurred to their own loved ones. And now they may have to experience that horrible reality when it occurs outside normal people's doorsteps all over again.
And for what purpose? What sort of message do these attacks send to other people in society? If your heads must be that sick to even inflict that sort of misery on people all over again. What do other innocent people say or think about you when you take part in carrying it out among people who live in your own community?
Or, y'know, just breaking news in what's been an always-on news cycle since the inception of smartphones...
I can confidently say there's not a single elected politician or mainstream media outlet in the country that wouldn't condemn this attack. Just because Irish media and politicians have highlighted buffoonery or the UK's handling of Brexit does not make them responsible for a murder. If anything this more seems like you taking advantage of a pretty awful event to push an agenda.
Absolutely disgraceful. RIP David Amess and condolences to his family.
Irish media and politicians are responsible for propagating this type of hate. I made the point before saying how irresponsible our journalists and politicians have been in the wake of the Brexit vote. There has been a relentless avalanche of hate against anyone who supported Brexit over the last five years.
Are you telling me this is about the word 'staunch'? Do you even know what the word means?
I used the Brexit example because he was a staunch Brexiteer, just like Jo Cox was a staunch Remainer.
The point I was making was that a box-ticking populist exercise has now claimed the lives of two people, if this did indeed happen because of Brexit. Did you miss that while you were foaming at the mouth because you misinterpreted the meaning of a word?
Did you miss me call this domestic terrorism, twice?
So yeah, I will call that faux-outrage. You took one word and took it to have negative connotations and then accused me of making an excuse for the scumbag who did this.
You want to withdraw what you said now? If you are truly angry about this, you will do it.
Or you can continue to be stubborn and try to find a way to spin my post in a way that you want to make me out to be condoning this.
Awful thing to befall him, regardless of views which I thoroughly disagree with. No longer here to argue his case. RIP.
Was he on the right of the Tories?
The man was described by CNN as "very centrist."
Looking at his record, he seems to be anything from anti-fox-hunting to anti-abortion. That said, even if you're a centrist, as you say, you can have strong opinions any one particular matter and as a centrist you've got a fantastic opportunity to make enemies on both sides of the political divide.
Let me guess, politicians will not have to deal with the public in the future. Introduced just in time for further draconian restrictions and lockdowns arriving later in the year.
The event was already presented to us very quickly, even before he passed away. Perfect theatre.
Oh believe me there is no faux outrage going on from me in this matter of a brutal murder of man with a wife and 5 children . If one isn't genuinely outraged about something like this what can one be outraged about.
You were the one that described him as a' staunch' Brexiteer as your first thought which I'm certain you didn't mean as a positive, so don't be pinning this left/right tit for tat thing on me.
I've never heard of him but from what's been said he was one of those well liked MP's across the political divide.
RIP to the MP.
First paragraph has no basis in reality.
Hopefully we never see a TD or any elected official attacked but if it does happen it won't because they were comfortable with shaking hands with a few people. That aside, most of the commentary we see about TD's is saying how they are so useless they shouldn't be in the job in the first place.
Look across social media and even here at the obsession with Leo, he does anything and it is all over the web. He went to a concert and its all over the media.
Social media for the good that it does(and yes it does good), it’s given every gobshite a platform to say whatever they want and it’s on the same level as everyone else.
Nobody is saying otherwise. One poster read one line of one post and started spewing shite.
Horrible horrible news. And people are saying that he was pro or anti whatever but just like jo cox it doesn’t matter in any way shape or form.Neither of them deserved to die because of any positions they hold. Yes you can vehemently disagree with them and voice that disagreement loudly if you want but they are human beings first and foremost and don’t deserve to die.
And that goes for Irish politicians also btw. I do disagree with many politicians here about positions they take but I’d never in a millions years even think of physically or verbally attack them.
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