Superman is bisexual now!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118044342#Comment_118044342

I wish.

Nah. I've no issue where anyone wants to put their privates as long as it's legal and consensual.

It's the people who falsely shout bigot is what my kryptonite is.

gmisk

https://www.theonion.com/bisexual-superman-ruins-comic-for-fan-who-preferred-smo-1847848016

Haha

Potential-Monke

Gotta love boards for picking and choosing certain sentences and making your own mind up about the meaning of it.

I may not have read the comics, but I loved the animated series based on them. And at no point, do I remember anything sexual being front and centre in any of them. Yes, the women were sexualised in appearance, but everything was in the 90s across all media. Some characters may have kissed even. But I don't remember any of that, I remember the fights, the detective work, the good guys beating the bad guys. That's what superhero comics should be about, because they're superheroes, not real, we don't need to see their daily struggles because comics/cartoons should be escapism.

Re: The Last of Us, I haven't played it because, as I said, I believe

Spoiler Warning

they kill Joel half way through, and he's the character I want to play as. So you apparantly play the rest of the game as Ellie, who for some reason has this big lesbian relationship taking front and centre in the middle of a fecking zombie apocalypse.

First game was narrative driven, but was still good. I'm not hearing the same about the second. I want a game to play a game, not remind me of how crap life is. Same in all my entertainment, I want escapism, not reminders of reality. Same if Kratos gets killed off in God of War and Atreus takes over, I most likely will stop playing, because I play those games to play as Kratos. If it's not Kratos, it's not God of War imo.

And I've already said, I don't care what sexual orientation or otherwise characters are, just make them that, but don't make that the centre of the story, which is exactly what is happening. Making a big hoohah about their sex, imo, makes sure people realise it's different, rather than just being and getting on with it. As people said, aimed at teens and young adults, so why get hung up on the sexuality. Just be whatever and do superhero stuff. Not much to ask. But I see this requirement for everything to be based on reality these days. Pah! It's why anime is way better than cartoons anyway.

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118044164#Comment_118044164

😂 I did say it was quirky.

FunLover18

Superhero stories have dealt with daily struggles in the past, Spider-Man is always struggling to balance his vigilantism with his love life/studies, basing these characters in real life and give them daily struggles is what makes them relatable.

Ten of Swords

@EmmetSpiceland and @[Deleted User] drop it and move on please

CGI_Livia_Soprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118044528#Comment_118044528

“And at no point, do I remember anything sexual being front and centre in any of them. Yes, the women were sexualised in appearance, but everything was in the 90s across all media.”

So nothing was sexualised, except every woman depicted but that’s grand? What? Utter rubbish.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118044564#Comment_118044564

There's quirky and then there's QUIRKY. I'll certainly be doing my research (in incognito mode)

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118044528#Comment_118044528

You seem to want comics to be something they haven't been in about 50-60 years. They always use a mix of "super" and "human" in their storylines. Same with TV shows, movies etc. You cant just have 'good guy punches bad guy' because that's f*cking boring after a while. Hell even look at the old Batman cartoon from the 90's, it had some amazingly rich, complex and human stories.

Also, there's no indication they're using his sexuality as a huge part of the story, simply that he starts dating another guy. The reason it's gotten so much traction in news is because he's Superman's son. There are numerous LGBT characters already and it's not a big deal.

the_syco

Superman is flying around one day when he spots Wonder Woman laying on the beach butt naked. He thinks to himself "I'm faster than a speeding bullet, I could fly down there, take care of my business and be gone before she can blink an eye". So he swoops in, does his thing and disappears into the sky. Sensing the commotion, Wonder Woman cries out "What was that?". Invisible Man replies " I don't know, but all of the sudden my ass hurts".

So you're saying Superman enjoyed it a hole lot more than usual?

Potential-Monke

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118044608#Comment_118044608

I'm sorry if 12 year old me didn't cop on to that. He was more interested in the fights... Christ on a bike, you'd swear kids are super intelligent and hyper aware. If everything was sexualised so it was the norm, how can a kid pick that out?

Why can't cartoons be cartoons and leave the real life crap out of it! I don't remember any of that. Maybe people are just smarter and better than me?

Fuk it, i'm out.

MrStuffins

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118044390#Comment_118044390

Starts a thread saying subject is not worthy of discussion

Still discussing subject entire week later 😂

mondeo

Batman will come out of his cave soon to with news on his sexuality, Robin wasn't just a side kick.

Dyr

I see the colourist for the superbi comic has now quit DC because he's sick of them ruining characters.

Which characters have they ruined though? I have not followed the comics for a few decades :) Bearing in mind that this thread is about a relatively new character. So how can you "Ruin" a character not that established?

On a completely unrelated note I just watched the movie where Batman meets the Teenage Mutant Turtles tonight with my 7 year old son. It was actually really good. A good mix of dark and funny.

Surprised at least one of the turtles has not come out as gay or bi yet. My guess if they ever do it it will be Raph or Leo, not Mike or Don.

FunLover18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118049928#Comment_118049928

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/gabe-eltaeb-not-coloring-superman-son-of-kal-el-5-after-dc-comments/

Sounds like a very sensible guy, DC supposedly don't have the right to tell new stories about their own characters.

jill_valentine

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118047567#Comment_118047567

It's funny you say that.

One of the things that kicked off the moral panic in the 1950s, and subsequent censorship drive, about comics was a crackpot's book called "Seduction of the Innocent" -

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seduction_of_the_Innocent

He was absolutely obsessed with what he imagined was homosexual subtext everywhere*, particularly in Batman and Robin, which he thought was turning kids gay. He manipulated and altered research to shore up his notions, and it was eventually picked up by some political noisemakers. The Comics Code wound up coming about for fear the government would enforce censorship on publishers if they didn't volunteer to do it first.

In the meantime though, one of the ways DC tried to distance themselves from the "Batman's gay for Robin" allegation was to invent a new love interest for Batman, Batwoman. She never quite took off and was mostly sidelined fairly quickly, but when the character name was revived a few years ago they figured turnabout was fair play and that's why Batwoman's now a lesbian, it's a kind of elaborate comic history in-joke.

*Wertham had a load of other crackpot theories about other comics too, but to be fair to him he was accidentally right about Wonder Woman's association with bondage.

And to be fair to Wonder Woman again, there were far more explicit fetish comics on the go before she came along anyway - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nights_of_Horror

buried

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118050476#Comment_118050476

You seem to be very knowledgeable on the history of comic books J, is this a subject that you have a general interest in?

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118050204#Comment_118050204

If bleeding cool are doing a hit piece on him then he probably is a very sensible guy. He must have lost his ethnic diversity armour and is now a bigot 😂

buried

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118050204#Comment_118050204

A lot of the characters that 'DC' "own" have no claim to the actual origin and genesis of the characters that the actual Creators of those character's wrote, imagined and created. Ask Alan Moore. DC just want to own the image and the brand. The 'Character' doesn't come into it.

FunLover18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118051150#Comment_118051150

I'm not going to debate the true ownership of the characters, Disney are currently fighting a lawsuit against the children of Steve Ditko and other comic creators about a similar thing. But DC own the copyright and they make Superman comics so they absolutely have the right to do a story with a bisexual Superman (not Clark Kent btw so who owns Jon Kent is a completely different discussion), Eltaeb's claim that they don't is nonsense, he's just whinging because they're doing something with the character he doesn't like.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118051150#Comment_118051150

Stop, you'll have this poor person defending the way the comic book companies screwed over creators at that rate. 😂 It ironic that these people always find themselves on the sides of the corporations

I pointed it out earlier in this thread, that the only that arguments the bleeding cool types make are reliant on them preteding to be literal or obtuse to an autistic degree. Once you realise that you start seeing how silly it all sounds.

FunLover18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118051446#Comment_118051446

The way comic book companies screwed over creators is irrelevant and off topic and I absolutely wouldn't defend it but if saying "I don't mind that a version of Superman is bisexual" = taking the side of big corporations, then fine, so be it.

jill_valentine

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118051013#Comment_118051013

Yeah, I used to be a huge Marvel nerd, when comics were cheaper and I had much more disposable income, lol. That branched out a little from there, but I'll always have a place in my heart for old school X Men... I do find the whole history of comics interesting, in a wikipedia rabbit hole kinda way, because a lot of the figures involved had surprisingly nuts real lives.

I'm out of the loop now, but I still keep a toe in the water a pick up a random trade paperback now and then.

storker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118047567#Comment_118047567

Batman taking a Bat-dom from his utility belt. Of course, it has a bat silhouette on the wrapper...