Range Rover Velar ignored in Ireland

goochy

Was in Tullamore yesterday and spotted a high spec. Velar with big wheels . Looked very impressive with nearly as much presence as a full fat Range Rover . Got me thinking aside from seeing the odd basic spec. model with small wheels , you dont see many on the road or in dealers showrooms.

With better looks ( with right spec. ) and a better badge than the Discovery and a similar price , why arent these flying out of the showrooms like say the RR sport is ?

ba_barabus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058210575/range-rover-velar-ignored-in-ireland

The Discovery is more usable for families, its therefore considered expensive for what it is. When you could just pay a little more and have a proper Range Rover.

Due to taxes, it really doesn't make sense here in Ireland.

freddieot

I had an X5 until a couple of years ago and really liked the look of the Velar and was waiting for it to be released. It looks stunning IMO.

However, although I don't go up mountain passes. I don't see the logic of not having a rear wash wipe on a vehicle that size and dimensions. In other words, not practical enough. Mate bought a new RR Sport a few days ago and again, even though when buying most of these vehicles, it's s prestige \ heart purchase, it's just a lot more practical that the Velar.

goochy

yes but is the Sport not alot more expensive than the Velar ? Dont know what it is , but have never like the current or original Sport model - just think the design is very cluttered.

PsychoPete

That fact that they are a ball of sh!t reliability wise might have something to do with it. Heard so many stories from lads working in Range Rover about Velars needing new engines after a couple of thousand kms and a host of other problems

goochy

Yes , i know someone working with them also who says they make them too complicated also ( probably why they drive so well ) , mind you Irish motorists seem to love Land Rovers - there is still good demand for even say 15 year old models .

Its obviously the image and driving experience that does it for people. Definitely think a well specced Velar beats a RRS for looks / image.

gearoidol

Our one is just coming up to 3 years old . Never a days grief but i am well aware that isn't always the case with Jlr stuff. Very economical and cheap to run , long service intervals ,cheap road tax on the d180 ,very cheap insurance for some odd reason and overall a great family car. New P400e Velar hybrid ordered and arriving on the 24th Nov into the garage for a 2022 plate. Oddly enough got a trade in value last Jan and ended up getting offered 11k more for trade in for next Jan from the same garage. Amazing 2nd values at the moment.

goochy

sorry thats not a typo ? 11k more ?

gearoidol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117949100#Comment_117949100

not a typo ,amazed , went to the garage with a friend who was interested in buying , he purchased a disco commercial , bought velar and defender commercial the same day , incredible trade in value.

goochy

i spotted your reg surrounds , that same dealer you bought your current Velar from ? They arent big into used sales - seem to sell most vehicles in the trade.

gearoidol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117949251#Comment_117949251

have been dealing with that group for a while now ,along way away from me but always seem to get a deal done

goochy

yes i noticed quite a few vehicles in Dublin from them also , so must be doing good deals - just surprised if they are selling off alot of their trade ins.

Robertr

I was crazy about them on paper, before they came out, but was disappointed when I went to see one. I found them quite small on the inside compared with anything else in the range. Also the pricing was crazy when you spec'd it to look like the launch images.

goochy

I assume they have made it small on inside so as not to take away sales from other models they produce

buzzerxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117949076#Comment_117949076

How is the new Velar going for you? I have a 2018 rdynamic velar

gearoidol

It's b

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119521922#Comment_119521922

It's a fab car to be fair,the p400e is a joy, dead silent , fantasticly economical if not doing journeys over 180km in one go too often , new pivi pro has sorted all the infotainment gremlins... Very happy with it

Montage of Feck

You say it like it's a bad thing OP? :)

California Dreamer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117945554#Comment_117945554

Another X5 driver here and had the chance to rent a Velar on holidays last year and was sooooooo underwhelming!

After 4 days I wanted to return it, certainly not a drivers car. Like a hippo on chocolate skates!!!!

Rowley Birkin QC

What kind of money are they in any of the spec mentioned here?

I don't have kids, don't drive a whole pile (<12k km/yr) and like a nice car but I'm always astonished at the amount of these (what I'm assuming are €80/90k+) RR's floating around. I had a loan of a full fat RR Vogue for a weekend a few months back and it was certainly a nice place to sit but the fuel consumption was astonishing.

buzzerxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119537797#Comment_119537797

I get 37mpg in my velar.

buzzerxx

LOVE THE VELAR SHAPE AND STYLE OVER THE LUMP THAT IS THE X5. Hit dynamic mode and sports on the velar and it stiffens up and shifts i tell you.

goochy

cant understand why LR in Ireland at the moment seem to be selling mostly Commercial Discoveries and Defenders , thought there would be decent demand for Hybrid passenger Defenders and Discovery sports etc. and they are higher price vehicles so more profit

bazz26

I'd imagine the vast majority are bought or leased through a business, hence why the are commerical. You cannot claim VAT back on petrol or on the price of a passenger vehicle. Hybrids are also not except from BIK.

gearoidol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119769768#Comment_119769768

I have a defender commercial and my wife has the velar. Pricing is gone weird at the moment and while pricing a new defender commercial for next year,

i noticed its now cheaper to buy a defender P400e hybrid passenger than a D250 commercial. Main reason is the low vrt rate for hybrids.

One of the biggest reason over and above being able to claim back vat on vehicle and diesel a company car driver would choose a commercial over a passenger ,is commercials attract a near zero rate of BIK compared to the passenger version. In something the price of a defender ,depending on mileage you could be paying 30k a year on BIK if you want back seats. Also commericals tend to hold their value much better than their passenger versions .

goochy

does your Defender have x3 front seats ? - seems good idea but imagine it takes away from comfort /prestige of a high priced vehicle.

i am just surprised not to see more passenger LR's around , down Cork direction anyhow

AMKC

Maybe it's because they are so boring. It's just far too plain looking.

goochy

Not when they are colour coded , have big sized wheels and leather interior. LR products are also rarely boring to drive.

Cyrus

Velar is very expensive for what it is I think that’s the main reason it hasn’t sold that well , also smaller than similarly priced stuff but then again RR are expensive across the board !

my wife loved it and we looked at it but ended up going full electric with Audi as RR aren’t there yet.

goochy

As it doesn't look like a range rover I don't think it benefits from the Range rover brand name like the sport does

buzzerxx

Got a price off spirit in dublin for a basic sevice on my 2l diesel velar

, oil and oil filter only. €690 plus vat. Thats €847. Absolute rip off, over twice whats charged in the UK.

Problem is they have you by the short n curlys cos main dealers are the only ones that can update the online service history.

User1998

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784228#Comment_119784228

I’d try get a price from a Land Rover specialist, or an independent mechanic. Somewhere with a good name that can give you a printed vat invoice so you can build up a decent physical service history without paying €850 every time you need to change the oil.

I couldn’t imagine an oil change being more than €250 inc VAT at a decent independent garage.

goochy

A late model high value vehicle like a velar without a full dealer history won't be worth as much. I thought fixed priced services had brought down pricing .

I know Lrs have a lot of problems but I still am amazed how busy the service dept of Lr dealer in Cork does be . Loads of vehicles in workshop and customer vehicles on site

buzzerxx

Got it done last month by these guys https://www.coylesgarage.com/ Half the price, €420

buzzerxx

Problem is the ingenium 2.0L Engines can grenade themselves cos the timing chains are snapping and land rover might not compensate if you dont use a main dealer.

I think this problem only happens if oil is not changed every 5000 miles

goochy

Have u a tried Stuarts ? Might be more competitive as a service rather than main dealer or conlans as just outside dealer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784329#Comment_119784329

That depends on warranty, and whether it is invalidated by not having it serviced by LR. I traded in a two yr old discovery in 2019, got a call from LR garage a couple of weeks later asking if it had been serviced by anyone other than LR as the engine had blown on the new owner and LR were refusing to cover the 7k cost of replacement under warranty. I always service with main dealer and explained that I hadn’t. Don’t know what happened afterwards.

goochy

U can't be sure of correct oil and genuine parts being used at independent

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784228#Comment_119784228

Buzzer, out of interest, have you tried Donnelly’s in Dungannon for a price? Wonder what the cost difference would be.

buzzerxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784585#Comment_119784585

If they can update the online service history i will give them a bell, thanks.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784601#Comment_119784601

Don’t know if it’s the same with LR, I got a BMW in the UK last year for my daughter and a mechanic I know in a local BMW garage was able to look up service history in England, he said BMW link the two counties on their system.

buzzerxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784623#Comment_119784623

was there much import duty and vrt to pay? i thought importing from the uk was not viable after brexit? They have mostly top spec motors over there

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784647#Comment_119784647

She lives in the UK.

User1998

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784369#Comment_119784369

If you were planning on keeping the car for a few years you would be saving €500+ a year on servicing over the course of a few years thats thousands of euro saved. If you built up a good comprehensive service history I’d imagine it would be worth the same or similar as a main dealer history.

If the car was being sold after 2/3 years when its still very expensive then it would be best to go main dealer, but if you were keeping the car for a few years I think a good independent or specialist would be a better financially

User1998

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784466#Comment_119784466

Is there not some EU law in place that states as long as you use genuine parts then the warranty must be honoured?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119785064#Comment_119785064

Are you asking me or telling me? I’m not aware of that law myself, but I’d appreciate it if you would provide a link.

Edit: a quick look indicates you are right.

User1998

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119785098#Comment_119785098

Yeah I’ve just seen it mentioned by other posters on here before. I don’t really know the ins and outs of it or if it even applies to your scenario

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119785198#Comment_119785198

I’m not sure myself, the only place my Disco had been was their garage, it’s possible the new owner brought it to an independent who put some non LR part in which damaged the engine.

kirving

In theory, yes you can bring it somewhere else and not invalidate the warranty. In practice, the onus would be on you the customer to prove that the third party garage serviced the car following the defined procedure to the letter. That's a very difficult thing to prove. Suspension, brakes, pollen filter etc, Indy is fine when in warranty. Anything drivetrain related, I'd be going main dealer only.

Larbre34

All Land Rover models are catastrophic ownership experiences.

I've seen better built sandcastles.

goochy

yet people keep on buying them new and used. The service depot at LR in Cork might be doing alot of repairs , but i cant see it would be so busy ( especially with older vehicles ) if they were charging what Spirit quoted for servicing.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119791018#Comment_119791018

Sweeping generalisation.

I’m on my fourth, only had problems with one, which had repeated electrical problems, LR took it back at a very good trade in price as a result. I do appreciate that their customer ratings are poor, and there are reliability problems, but that doesn’t affect all cars. Prior to that I had BMWs, they spent more time in the garage.