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Why are convicted murderers granted entry to Ireland

  • 09-09-2021 8:12pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 16 Bibblybobbly


    I’m curious as to why convicted murderers are allowed to enter this country and then surprisingly when they continue to commit serious crimes why are they not appropriately sentenced or deported like the case of the lovely gentleman in the description from the journal below. Is this the standard approach across europe to people with such serious criminal records or are we just particularly soft on this in terms of entering the country?


    ‘’A CONVICTED MURDERER who tried to suffocate his wife after a New Year’s Eve party at their home in West Cork has received an 18 month suspended sentence.

    Cork Circuit Criminal Court heard that Marius Rucinskas, who is originally from Lithuania, repeatedly struck his wife, tore clumps of hair from her head and pulled off her eyelash extensions.

    Rucinskas, who works at a fish factory in Cork city, pleaded guilty to the charge of assault causing harm to his wife Renata Rucinskeine on 1 January, 2020 at their home in Main Street, Castletownbere, County Cork. He is presently living with a friend in Cork city.’’

    https://www.thejournal.ie/convicted-murder-avoids-jail-for-brutal-attack-on-his-wife-5545431-Sep2021/


    <Mod edit - please do not quote the entire article, the first few lines are sufficient. I've also added a link to the source article>

    Post edited by Ten of Swords on


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,260 ✭✭✭✭ TheValeyard


    Sentencing is an absolute shambles, he is a sorry disgusting excuse of a human being. But unless EU law changes, I'm not sure what we can do about it?

    Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,365 ✭✭✭ FishOnABike


    He wasn't granted entry. He did not need any visa or permission to enter the country. As a EU citizen he can travel freely between member states. He no more needed to be granted entry than an Irish person needs to be granted entry to travel to another county.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The EU allows for freedom of movement for EU citizens.

    Of course, Ireland may be a little bit different in that no one has to register to live here. We have no idea of any Europeans that move and live here.

    Of course, if he has served his sentence, I'm not sure what you think we could do about it OP?

    Do you think that anyone who has been convicted of a crime should not be allowed live in Ireland? What about people who are convicted in Ireland? What crimes should apply?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,818 ✭✭✭ Darc19


    Plenty of sinn fein / IRA murderers who originally came from northern Ireland which is part of Great Britain living amongst us too


    So if you allow murderers from Britain to live here, you have to accept some from other countries


    And we export many of our own too.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16 Bibblybobbly


    No, I don’t think anyone that committed a crime should be refused entry however I would draw a line with murder and severely violent crimes. The same as I think the likes of Larry Murphy shouldn’t be inflicted on another country. I actually foolishly thought one would have issue travelling around if they had a murder conviction, obviously not.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No we all have freedom of movement.

    We also have freedom once we have served a sentence.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Those people and their crimes that you referred to are not EU citizens.

    we have systems to refuse those people entry.

    what about EU citizens? Do you not believe in the EU?



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,264 ✭✭✭✭ Gatling


    They were granted citizenship which gave them the same rights as EU criminals to travel freely .

    We've EU Drug gangs , people trafficking and other criminals free to come and go and nobody can say or do a thing,and in a lot of cases carry on carrying out Crimes and moving to other states to avoid convictions ,

    We should have an absolute right to either refuse entry and or deport foreign criminals to their state of origin in the EU



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Where did they get citizenship? You just stated that they applied for asylum?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭ Polar101


    Ireland doesn't even have a working system where citizens have an ID. Would you support some kind of an EU citizen database so local officials could find out if their local folks are foreign criminals? Or how would this work?



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,264 ✭✭✭✭ Gatling


    The first couple were granted Italian citizenship ,fled Italy during their trial ended up here applied to asylum under different names , granted asylum and onto citizenship here .

    There has been loads of stories ,we had a rapist convicted of rape here ,on release he was deported , arrived back two weeks later to run front business for his criminal gang ..

    When they say open doors I don't think they wanted stuff like this to happen



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,264 ✭✭✭✭ Gatling


    There should be a data base ,you still need a passport or other recognised Id to travel Surely a red flag can be attached that informs officials when they arrive in a foreign state it should say this person is a violent criminal and allow states to deny entry or attach strict criteria for entry



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,252 ✭✭✭ archfi


    Handy link for loads of scenarios including the one which Ireland doesn't bother to implement, the 3 month rule. As a poster said above, no-one is monitored/checked-in here!

    This bit pertains to previously convicted people (IMO, this violent murderer does pose a public threat in Ireland but this only mentions 'public security/order/health')


    'In our rush to destigmatize the exception, we’ve stigmatized the rule.'

    --Benjamin Boyce



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    But they committed fraud. They applied again under different names.

    I'm sure when found out, their asylum/citizenship was gone. How do you expect to stop people committing fraud?

    there is nothing to stop EU citizens moving here, so what would you suggest to stop them?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭ Peterteanh


    Suspended sentence, ffs.

    I thought there was some sort of system in place where we can remove EU citizens back to their home countries if they are considered a threat? If this still exists why isn't it being implemented in this case?

    Now what, we wait and see who this guy will attack next?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,098 ✭✭✭ katiek102010




  • Registered Users Posts: 30,264 ✭✭✭✭ Gatling


    We rarely deport anyone , from foreign criminals to bogus asylum seekers ,

    There has been celebration with the likes of the minister for justice and Lynn runane due to the fact nobody got deported during covid and they are looking forward to preventing deportations in the future.,



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,735 ✭✭✭ growleaves


    It's not a part of Great Britain, it's part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

    Great Britain is an island.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,216 ✭✭✭✭ Strumms


    Yes, a conviction for a violent crime should prevent you from getting asylum, murder, rape, serious assault,...seriously violent crime involving weapons or drugs offenses should give any EU state the ‘option’ to safeguard its citizens by refusing entry, regardless of origin...Freedom of movement should be a right but a state should have the right to protect its citizens, first and foremost ..that should supersede any other rights.

    get convicted of a serious crime as in dealing, transportation of or similar in relation to drugs, violence, weapons etc you forgo the right to enter another EU state, you’d need apply... drugs likewise...

    it would be difficult to implement but I’d say it will need to be discussed in the coming years.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So we should be able to protect out citizens from criminals from other countries. What about criminals from Ireland? Are they entitled to live free once they have served their sentence?



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,264 ✭✭✭✭ Gatling


    Same restrictions would apply ,

    Why would you be actually against it bubblypop ??



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Are you suggesting that criminals convicted in Ireland are not entitled to freedom?



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