Why are convicted murderers granted entry to Ireland

Bibblybobbly

I’m curious as to why convicted murderers are allowed to enter this country and then surprisingly when they continue to commit serious crimes why are they not appropriately sentenced or deported like the case of the lovely gentleman in the description from the journal below. Is this the standard approach across europe to people with such serious criminal records or are we just particularly soft on this in terms of entering the country?

‘’A CONVICTED MURDERER who tried to suffocate his wife after a New Year’s Eve party at their home in West Cork has received an 18 month suspended sentence.

Cork Circuit Criminal Court heard that Marius Rucinskas, who is originally from Lithuania, repeatedly struck his wife, tore clumps of hair from her head and pulled off her eyelash extensions.

Rucinskas, who works at a fish factory in Cork city, pleaded guilty to the charge of assault causing harm to his wife Renata Rucinskeine on 1 January, 2020 at their home in Main Street, Castletownbere, County Cork. He is presently living with a friend in Cork city.’’

https://www.thejournal.ie/convicted-murder-avoids-jail-for-brutal-attack-on-his-wife-5545431-Sep2021/

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LollipopJimmy

He can travel freely around the EU, sure Brian Rattigan is off in Spain now, Larry Murphy is travelling all over Europe, plenty more the same

Appropriate sentencing is another story though

TheValeyard

Sentencing is an absolute shambles, he is a sorry disgusting excuse of a human being. But unless EU law changes, I'm not sure what we can do about it?

FishOnABike

He wasn't granted entry. He did not need any visa or permission to enter the country. As a EU citizen he can travel freely between member states. He no more needed to be granted entry than an Irish person needs to be granted entry to travel to another county.

Annasopra

That sentence is a disgrace

He assaulted her, violently kicked and punched her, twisted her head, pulled her false eyelashes off, threatened her, suffocated her, hit her head off a table, forced her onto the bed, smashed items in the house, demanded money from her plus he was convicted of murder previously in Lithuania. And the judge accepts his difficult work environment as some sort of excuse.

Fucked up.

The EU allows for freedom of movement for EU citizens.

Of course, Ireland may be a little bit different in that no one has to register to live here. We have no idea of any Europeans that move and live here.

Of course, if he has served his sentence, I'm not sure what you think we could do about it OP?

Do you think that anyone who has been convicted of a crime should not be allowed live in Ireland? What about people who are convicted in Ireland? What crimes should apply?

Gatling

Should be a pretty simple case of return to sender ,

let lituania deal with him .

Individual states should be able to refuse entry to individuals who serious criminal convictions

Darc19

Plenty of sinn fein / IRA murderers who originally came from northern Ireland which is part of Great Britain living amongst us too

So if you allow murderers from Britain to live here, you have to accept some from other countries

And we export many of our own too.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870031#Comment_117870031

So you would be anti EU membership then?

nolivesmatter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117869949#Comment_117869949

Yeah that freedom to travel should be restricted to people who aren’t criminals. To anyone who might ask where we draw the line with that, let’s start with murder and work our way back from there.

Bibblybobbly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870028#Comment_117870028

No, I don’t think anyone that committed a crime should be refused entry however I would draw a line with murder and severely violent crimes. The same as I think the likes of Larry Murphy shouldn’t be inflicted on another country. I actually foolishly thought one would have issue travelling around if they had a murder conviction, obviously not.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870045#Comment_117870045

No ,but I'm a firm believer in states being able to refuse violent criminals from entering in the first place,the same applies to our criminals moving from state to state ...

We had a couple from Nigeria living here in Ireland who were huge in drugs trade ,they went on trial in Italy where they had asylum ,but before the trial ended they disappeared but still convicted , turned up in tallaght something like 10 years , after being granted asylum here under different names ,

We had another Chap who was a convicted of murders in terror attacks in Algeria ended up here and managed to claim asylum ,only to caught in another country plotting terror attacks .

Europe definitely needs to do more ,we could do with a violent criminals database which is shared among all the states ,and be allowed to deny entry completely

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870076#Comment_117870076

No we all have freedom of movement.

We also have freedom once we have served a sentence.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870125#Comment_117870125

Those people and their crimes that you referred to are not EU citizens.

we have systems to refuse those people entry.

what about EU citizens? Do you not believe in the EU?

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870153#Comment_117870153

They were granted citizenship which gave them the same rights as EU criminals to travel freely .

We've EU Drug gangs , people trafficking and other criminals free to come and go and nobody can say or do a thing,and in a lot of cases carry on carrying out Crimes and moving to other states to avoid convictions ,

We should have an absolute right to either refuse entry and or deport foreign criminals to their state of origin in the EU

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870185#Comment_117870185

Where did they get citizenship? You just stated that they applied for asylum?

Polar101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870031#Comment_117870031

Ireland doesn't even have a working system where citizens have an ID. Would you support some kind of an EU citizen database so local officials could find out if their local folks are foreign criminals? Or how would this work?

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870200#Comment_117870200

The first couple were granted Italian citizenship ,fled Italy during their trial ended up here applied to asylum under different names , granted asylum and onto citizenship here .

There has been loads of stories ,we had a rapist convicted of rape here ,on release he was deported , arrived back two weeks later to run front business for his criminal gang ..

When they say open doors I don't think they wanted stuff like this to happen

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870233#Comment_117870233

There should be a data base ,you still need a passport or other recognised Id to travel Surely a red flag can be attached that informs officials when they arrive in a foreign state it should say this person is a violent criminal and allow states to deny entry or attach strict criteria for entry

archfi

https://europa.eu/youreurope/advice/docs/faq_en.pdf

Handy link for loads of scenarios including the one which Ireland doesn't bother to implement, the 3 month rule. As a poster said above, no-one is monitored/checked-in here!

This bit pertains to previously convicted people (IMO, this violent murderer does pose a public threat in Ireland but this only mentions 'public security/order/health')

BrianBoru00

They can be deported to their home country even if they are an EU citizen if they pose a security risk - i.e. committing crime

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870238#Comment_117870238

But they committed fraud. They applied again under different names.

I'm sure when found out, their asylum/citizenship was gone. How do you expect to stop people committing fraud?

there is nothing to stop EU citizens moving here, so what would you suggest to stop them?

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870274#Comment_117870274

Have you ever heard of anyone in this country having their citizenship revoked or international protection withdrawn ,

A certain political candidate comes to mind,

Again I firmly believe foreign criminals should not be allowed entry eu citizens or not ,and that applies both ways , every other state should be allowed and entitled to deny entry to our criminals too .

Suspended sentence, ffs.

I thought there was some sort of system in place where we can remove EU citizens back to their home countries if they are considered a threat? If this still exists why isn't it being implemented in this case?

Now what, we wait and see who this guy will attack next?

katiek102010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870250#Comment_117870250

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870250#Comment_117870250

I actually thought this was the whole purpose of europol and interpol

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870314#Comment_117870314

We rarely deport anyone , from foreign criminals to bogus asylum seekers ,

There has been celebration with the likes of the minister for justice and Lynn runane due to the fact nobody got deported during covid and they are looking forward to preventing deportations in the future.,

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870037#Comment_117870037

It's not a part of Great Britain, it's part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Great Britain is an island.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870031#Comment_117870031

Yes, a conviction for a violent crime should prevent you from getting asylum, murder, rape, serious assault,...seriously violent crime involving weapons or drugs offenses should give any EU state the ‘option’ to safeguard its citizens by refusing entry, regardless of origin...Freedom of movement should be a right but a state should have the right to protect its citizens, first and foremost ..that should supersede any other rights.

get convicted of a serious crime as in dealing, transportation of or similar in relation to drugs, violence, weapons etc you forgo the right to enter another EU state, you’d need apply... drugs likewise...

it would be difficult to implement but I’d say it will need to be discussed in the coming years.

So we should be able to protect out citizens from criminals from other countries. What about criminals from Ireland? Are they entitled to live free once they have served their sentence?

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870407#Comment_117870407

Same restrictions would apply ,

Why would you be actually against it bubblypop ??

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870426#Comment_117870426

Are you suggesting that criminals convicted in Ireland are not entitled to freedom?

Mrs OBumble

I wonder if we are nett exporters or importers of serious criminals.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870407#Comment_117870407

lol

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870432#Comment_117870432

I believe that EU should have the right to refuse entry to foreign criminals ,and vice versa ,

We have a right to be protected and other states should have the same rights to protect their own citizens from from criminals .

I don't buy into this bleeding heart nonsense let's not deport foreign criminals ,

FishOnABike

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870516#Comment_117870516

What constitutes 'foreign' non-Irish or non-EU ?

This is a local village for local people. Why should we have to put up with blackguards from the next village/parish/town/county.....

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870581#Comment_117870581

Both EU and non EU ,

Why ? would want to let one in because they are from within the EU and say no to the one from outside the EU .

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870435#Comment_117870435

@Mrs OBumble I believe our prison population is something like 18/19 % non nationals now ,and our population of immigrants is still growing year on year ,

Be interested to see how many of our citizens are currently locked up in EU states,

Apparently 1200 currently serving sentences abroad spread between the EU , America and Australia ,but the majority are currently in UK prisons some 70% of the total

FishOnABike

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870615#Comment_117870615

Because it goes hand in hand with Irish not having to apply for a visa to go on their sun or ski holiday and spend ages going through passport control for a mini break or apply for work or residency permits to work and live in another EU country.

We (the EU) have been eliminating barriers to freedom of movement within the EU since the first Schengen agreement in the mid '80s.

Jequ0n

Ireland is certainly more relaxed than some other EU countries when it comes to passport control and identity/ criminal history checks. I can see why people are annoyed about it but it certainly has benefits and I prefer it over a police state.

2ndcoming

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117871016#Comment_117871016

This is nonsense. EU citizens have freedom of movement, the first about 5 replies to this thread all point this out.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117871048#Comment_117871048

How many countries have you visited where nobody bothered to look at your passport/ ID and just waves you through, instead of actually checking your details?

I personally have never been asked or had my details checked by immigration control in Ireland. Ironically when travelling back to my home country I am usually delayed by detail checking/ questioning of details. It inconveniences me, but makes perfect sense from a safety perspective.

It'd not that we're granting entry really as such. We just don't really have a clue who's here or keep track I think.

seamus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117871061#Comment_117871061

I have never had my details checked entering any EU country, aside from them looking at my passport. Including Ireland.

This whole area is kind of difficult. When a criminal moves from Dublin to rural Mayo, nobody tells the local Gardai. When they move from Frankfurt to Dublin, nobody tells the local Gardai.

If you introduce a system whereby someone's criminal history is automatically alerted to the local police forces when they move through the EU, then you're tagging them and singling them out for harassment after they've served their sentence. Which is anathema to the entire point.

But at the same time it seems insane that violent former offenders aren't automatically known to local police as they move around.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117872351#Comment_117872351

There are many times that nobody even wanted to look at my passport (Dublin airport) and just waved me through. Very strange practice.

As I said this suits me well, but i am still surprised that nobody in Ireland seems interested in my past at all.

LostinBlanch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870273#Comment_117870273

Like both you and Archfi mentioned, EU states have the right to deport EU citizens to their own country. Ditto for non EU citizens. They have always had that right, and some states do so, Germany is one that comes to mind.

2ndcoming

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117871061#Comment_117871061

I have never come into Dublin Airport or any non UK airport without having my passport checked on arrival. Except the US where you do the pre-clearance in Dublin.

That said my passport wouldn't show anyone my criminal background anyway. It says European Union on the front, that's all it needs to say.

Pauliedragon

I don't know how the visa system works for non EU citizens but someone coming from the EU wouldn't need a police check so how would anybody know? If I got out of jail after a murder sentence and decided to head off to France or Germany would they check my record on arrival. I assume they wouldn't.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117875911#Comment_117875911

Dublin airport has been the only one I came across where nobody bothered to check and just waved me through. That’s why I find it ironic that my passport is checked (inspected, then details checked via computer, often accompanied or followed by some questions).

Maybe I just look incredibly trustworthy then.

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870045#Comment_117870045

The EU needs reform in all sorts of ways, the point raised is an excellent one.

We should be able to keep criminals out of our country no matter where they come from.

We have enough to deal with among our own.

Not dealing with these matters and simply saying "but the EU..." is not going to work long term.

nolivesmatter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117872351#Comment_117872351

For convicted murderers I'd say flag away. Then after if it's found that they are being unfairly harassed we can deal with that, rather than not flagging because they might be harassed. Their crime is too serious to completely ignore.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884072#Comment_117884072

But if they're convicted, it means they have been found guilty and served their time.

if there concerns over certain criminals, that would be sent to law enforcement through Interpol or europol.