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Vaccination requirements to work in a tech job office in Dublin

  • 19-08-2021 9:38pm
    Registered Users Posts: 223 ✭✭ global23214124

    I had an interview the other day and the recruiter mentioned that it would be a requirement to be vaccinated in order to enter the Dublin office unless you couldn't due to medical or religious reasons. Is this legal or a bit of a grey area?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,151 ✭✭✭ baldbear

    There is no mandatory vaccinations for employees in Ireland.

    Employers have a big headache now with employees coming back unvaccinated. I'd imagine they would not hire someone who indicates they are not getting vaccinated. Of course they won't say that but that's what they will do.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,291 ✭✭✭ joseywhales

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭ floorpie

    If they said that travel to the US and head office were required would that get around any Irish regulations?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 303 ✭✭ d15ude

    'because you cannot prove you're vaccinated' you don't have to provide such personal medical details to your employer.

    What next, they ask for your sperm count?

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,187 ✭✭✭ Topgear on Dave

    Are you going to give it to someone else on the office?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,333 ✭✭✭✭ seamus

    Functionally, the operator of any private premises can ask you to pull down your pants and show them your arse if they want. You can refuse, and just not enter the premises.

    Obviously when access to those premises is required by individuals for work or any other kind of necessary business, entry requirements have to be somewhat limited to things that are necessary to preserve the business. So a gym can refuse entry unless you have proof of membership. Because otherwise anyone can wander in and the business goes bust.

    Likewise, in the interests of protecting the health of staff (a statutory obligation), a business may be entitled to insist that all people entering the premises - staff and visitors - are vaccinated and can show proof of such.

    It's a grey area, but there are plenty of reasons why it may be legal, and arguments for it being illegal are relatively flimsy.

    Of course, companies are going to come a cropper on this. As soon as a very important customer or board member gets a special dispensation to enter the building despite being unvaccinated, the company is going to be sued to high heaven.

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,507 ✭✭✭✭ titan18

    Well they're not allowed even ask atm so there's no need to prove you're vaccinated or not. That might change of course, but atm, employers have no ability to ask or refuse you a job cos you're unvaccinated if they do find that out.

  • Registered Users Posts: 23,702 ✭✭✭✭ Mrs OBumble

    Yes: I'd expect the staff to have appropriate PPE.

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,694 ✭✭✭ Dav010

    This is incorrect, the DPC have stated that in certain circumstances, if it is a necessary safety measure, employers can request information on vaccination status. There is another thread about this already.

  • Registered Users Posts: 13,892 ✭✭✭✭ Cuddlesworth

    Seems like a few of you are confusing checking vaccination status on existing employees versus using it for vetting new employees. You need the cert to use the inside of a pub, you need the cert to fly to destinations and its probably likely you will get asked for the cert on applying for some jobs.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,939 ✭✭✭ Wolf359f

    They can be smart when asking. Like is there anything that would impede you travelling abroad on short notice (being vaccinated, you can hop on a plane the same day, with testing it can take time and a positive test would impede you travelling).

    If the rule about not having to self isolate if you're fully vaccinated and have no symptoms is still there, they can ask if there's anything preventing you entering the office if a close contact tests positive.

    Not sure about the legality about asking the second one, but the first one is certainly a valid question. Obviously if the job doesn't entail internation travel, they may need to word it better. But company lawyers are crafty devils!

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,423 ✭✭✭ karlitob

    It seems that you misunderstand what PPE is - the ‘E’ is for equipment. A vaccine is not equipment.

    For clarity - do you think healthcare staff should be vaccinated if they are treating patients?

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,507 ✭✭✭✭ titan18

    None of those circumstances apply for a tech job office though

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,253 ✭✭✭ Risteard81

    Absolutely, because it's none of my business whether they've taken the needle(s) or not.

  • Registered Users Posts: 68,333 ✭✭✭✭ seamus

    As this man 👇️ says, there is a difference between asking existing employees for this information, and asking new employees.

    Nevertheless, if an employer now wants to make their office "vaccinated only" while giving existing unvaccinated employees the option to work from home, they can likely do that too.

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,126 ✭✭✭ Lux23

    If you're not going to get vaccinated, I am sure your moral compass will also allow you to lie about it.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,860 ✭✭✭ Former Former Former

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭ Padre_Pio

    Wasn't that happening for months before vaccines were available?

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,423 ✭✭✭ karlitob

    Brilliant logic. That made me laugh.

    Another poster said:

    Mrs OBumble11:57 am

    It's really a silly requirement: being vaccinated reduces your risk of getting badly ill.

    But it doesn't stop you getting ill, of transmitting Covid-19. So social distancing and good ventilation, and masking if they cannot be achieved, are still required of everyone.

    I used a real life clinical example that I face daily to explore whether the poster truly believed it ‘silly’ and whether they thought vaccines were PPE.

    Using the logic of your response, then this thread isn’t worth exploring as employees weren’t concerned with whether there employees were vaccinated “for months before vaccines were available?”

    The fact is that vaccines are available, and that all healthcare staff must be vaccination and be asked if they are vaccinated if they are treating patients, and this puts employers in a difficult spot as doctors and nurses are employees like anyone else

    Being vaccinated to protect others - which it does (and incorrectly stated by that poster) is not silly. It protects lives. Lots of ‘em.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭ floorpie

    Functionally, the operator of any private premises can ask you to pull down your pants and show them your arse if they want. You can refuse, and just not enter the premises.

    They can ask and refuse your entry but they may be opening themselves to litigation, whether through employment law, discrimination law, or otherwise. You choosing not to enter the premises doesn't remove the legal obligations upon them

    Likewise, in the interests of protecting the health of staff (a statutory obligation), a business may be entitled to insist that all people entering the premises - staff and visitors - are vaccinated and can show proof of such.

    They may also insist but I believe the onus would be on them to prove that this is necessary for the running of the business, and I'm not sure they'd be able to do this seeing as business are following government guidelines in this regard and these guidelines do not mandate vaccination, and seeing as businesses have run successfully during the pandemic, before vaccination. It would presumably depend on the role also. I'm sure a company could finagle a role specification that necessitates vaccination though.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,765 ✭✭✭✭ MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

    Why does that even matter..same chances of passing it on.

    Worry about yourself not everyone else.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,423 ✭✭✭ karlitob

    As healthcare professional, not only is it my job to worry about the care and safety of my patients but it’s also my legal requirement. I can be sacked, sued and struck off if I didn’t worry about them.