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Gulf stream goes,what's next

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭Good loser


    That's the bullet that can't be dodged. The 'best' taxes are those that can't be avoided or evaded. Like house tax, water tax, carbon tax. All are now necessary.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,204 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The problem with most plans to reduce heat global warming is it is not allowing for the Chinese, US and Australian factor.

    There is little point in taxing Europeans out if existence if the only benefactors are these countries. The US will still guzzle petrol and diesel and even with a democratic government there is no indication that they will increase taxes on carbon fuels to reduce there usage. The Australian's will still mine coal and other materials for the Chinese or to replace Chinese imports from elsewhere as they have a bit of a trade war at present. The Chinese will still build coal power stations both in China and other country to gain favour to produce the batteries for to replace European carbon fuels...which we may need carbon fuels to produce electricity for.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭DBK1


    That’s it in a nutshell. For some reason in Ireland we always want to be “best boy in the class” when it comes to this sort of thing. And I know everyone has to do their bit and start somewhere but we are literally a drop in the ocean compared to the rest of the world and everything we’re doing is pointless when you compare it to what’s happening in the rest of the world.

    It would be the same thing as taking 1 head of barley out of a tillage field and asking the farmer did his yield suffer because of it. Obviously it would never be noticed and it’s the same as all we’re trying to do in Ireland. On a worldwide scale if we disappeared altogether it would never be noticed and still wouldn’t make any difference to climate change.

    All these measures should be taken on a worldwide basis and not just one small island in the middle of the Atlantic trying to single handedly save the world.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,209 ✭✭✭Suckler


    Agree 100% on this. Ireland taxing people under the banner of global warming is putting a plaster on your finger while there's an axe wound at the shoulder.

    We can do more with regard to how we recycle/bottle returns/single use plastic/ Higher import taxes on Chinese sh1te (possibly should be EU wide to really punish the polluter)

    There are infrastructure upgrades that should be implemented now (sewage/water/biogas/renewables) but the hangover from the boom/recession and the pandemic has focus on housing. Housing itself is an issue, years of resistance to high rise accommodation has led to urban sprawl putting more pressure on infrastructure thats already stretched.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭dzer2


    Jesus we dont have enough houses so lets tax the shoite out of them, as for water tax well that went well. Carbon tax has always being there in some form.

    Don't you know most tax collected in this country is wasted. We are in the middle of an endemic with the health service overwhelmed for 18 months. With all the experts how many extra ICU beds were added.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭Good loser


    The function of taxes is to fund the services provided by Govt in the economy.

    If it doesn't come from one pocket it will come from the other.

    As stated the 'best' taxes are those not easily avoided. They can also be structured to promote efficiency.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,784 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    There is an Australian mining magnate, 'twiggy' Andrew Forrest, who if he lives long enough, looks set to have a greater practical impact on CO2 reduction globally than probably any other individual on the planet.



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