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Any sign of the US allowing EU visitors (non essential)

  • 29-07-2021 9:35am
    Registered Users Posts: 333 ✭✭ Juran

    I read this article in the Irish Independent this morning, I feel for the poor lady, but does she realise that you can't fly to the US right now unless you have pre-authorization for medical treatment, college, essential business, etc. It does not matter if you have a vaccine cert, border control will refuse entry.

    We want to go for Christmas, I really hope US opens its borders to vaccinated tourists. Is there any indication that the Biden administration will change the rules in the coming months ?

    I recall reading before that September was the time the US was aiming for. They are losing billions to loss tourism.

    ‘End of my tether’ – mum might have to cancel US visit to daughter over delay in Digital Covid Cert



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭ Nigel Fairservice

    I think the US government said as recently as July 26 that they are keeping the travel ban at the moment due to Delta variant. Opening up will probably depend on how well things are going domestically there. Can't vaccinated Americans travel to Europe now?

  • Registered Users Posts: 333 ✭✭ Juran

    Yes, vaccinated US tourits can visit Ireland. My relatives from the US came home in June, more in July, and another load are coming in August.

    I know the UK are going to allow vaccinated US tourists.

    I dont know if vaccinated US tourists can visit all EU countries, or if its country by country rules.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,174 ✭✭✭ sunbabe08

    Yeah Americans can come over, but they either have to be vaccinated or get a negative test before hand to get on the plane.

    i have flights booked for April next year, so I'm hoping things will have calmed down by then

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,357 ✭✭✭ Micky 32

    I don’t think i’d be too optimistic about the USA opening their borders anytime soon. I will go as far saying this time next year the border will still be closed. The problem is Delta won’t go away especially when half the country is anti vax.

  • Registered Users Posts: 72,121 ✭✭✭✭ Atlantic Dawn

    Canada are letting in all vaccinated visitors from start of September, I'd say potential for US to follow similar timeline. They are ahead of US in vaccination numbers. One way around US ban is to spend 2 weeks in a non travel ban country and then go direct to US from there.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,058 ✭✭✭ fly_agaric

    Yes I agree it might be a while. Pandemic has been very instructive about where balance of power now lies in the US-EU relationship IMO. The US economy has expanded over past few decades and afair is now much, much larger than the (combined) EU one even factoring out Brexit effect. They used to be similar in size back in 90s/early 00s or EU was slightly larger.

    IMO they don't give much of a shít any more. They will open up to EU inward travel when it suits them, probably depending on some domestic political considerations (e.g. would imagine when they think about it at all, the Trump-tending voters quite like the ban on EU travellers to the US given their hero brought it in).

  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 19,536 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Mr.S

    They won't open before they improve their vaccination uptake, some states are shockingly bad.

    Christmas is probably a good bet.

    No chance it will last another 12+ months, unless some new strain causes havoc. It's obviously very hard to predict, but with the amount of pressure the US is on from the EU and domestic travel / tourism lobbyists, I'd say we'll see travel resume in the coming months.

    The travel ban for Europeans doesn't even make that much sense when you look at which countries from outside EU/EEA are allowed in. Also clearly they think a requirement for fully vax'ed + PCR works as that's all Americans need to do to travel back from Europe, and they are coming over in large numbers this Summer - just look at prices which shows the demand.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,058 ✭✭✭ fly_agaric

    ^^The travel ban for Europeans doesn't even make that much sense when you look at which countries from outside EU/EEA are allowed in.

    Yes, I don't think the ban has much of a positive public health effect on the US at this stage, or will affect fairly inevitable progress of Delta Covid-19 variant there. Expected thing would be to just reciprocate here and allow in EU travellers given they provide sufficient proof of their fully vaccinated status.

    Fact that US just don't bother shows it is political + it persists because the EU has 0 leverage & Biden just has too much other more important stuff on his plate right now to get to it. 

    US travellers (who might complain at home + raise the political pressure), even unvaccinated ones, already have pretty much full access to the EU now anyway.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,519 ✭✭✭ Duff

    I've a NYC trip booked for September which I've given up hope on. Going to try reschedule for maybe Paddy's Day and pray it's lifted by then.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,967 ✭✭✭ ceadaoin.

    Pressure to lift this is starting to build. There are tens of thousands of visa holders who are blocked from reentering, and also, massive backlogs at embassies around the world as staff are busy processing exemptions. It has very little support, even among republicans. He's going to have to do something about it. It's not like it's actually having any impact on cases. Americans are free to go wherever they want and come back and the rest of the world is able to come here. What is the point?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ Former Former Former

    I can see where the US are coming from here tbh.

    They have a huge vaccine resistance / complacency issue, primarily among those who think that Covid is a hoax, that mask wearing is an assault on liberty or that Jesus will protect them from any harm.

    Now, if you give these lunatics the ammo of "what's the point in vaccinating everyone here if dem foreigners are swarming in...", then they'll never get the job done.

    It doesn't make any sense but that's what they're dealing with.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,967 ✭✭✭ ceadaoin.

    But "dem foreigners" are coming in. From everywhere else in the world except the EU and Canada. US citizens can come and go as they please. They are blaming the unvaccinated now but it doesn't change the fact its been in place for over a year, even before vaccines, and been extended several times. You can get round the ban by spending 2 weeks in a "safe" country first. It is completely pointless and people are starting to get pissed off

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ Former Former Former

    I don't disagree (although I think China, India and Iran are also banned?) - I'm just trying to guess at reasons for keeping it in the face of so little evidence.

    We (Ireland) might get an earlier pass since we're not in Schengen.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,902 ✭✭✭ zom

    US travellers told to avoid Ireland due rising Covid-19 case numbers:

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,357 ✭✭✭ Micky 32

  • Registered Users Posts: 333 ✭✭ Juran

    No dates given yet ... hope its in the next 2 or 3 months.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,519 ✭✭✭ Duff

    Going to push my September trip to NYC back. The o/h wants to re-book for mid December, but I'm leaning more towards Paddy's Day as I'm still a bit wary we'll be able to travel to the US by Christmas. What do you think, lads?

  • Registered Users Posts: 21,707 ✭✭✭✭

    Situation kind of annoys me.

    Had the Brits not actively allowed the virus tear through their population to suit Boris Johnson and mutate then we'd a different situation by now in relation to travel in all likelihood throughout Europe and the US.

    I really think there should be consequences for countries that behave irresponsibly and impact their neighbors and further afield through this pandemic.


  • Registered Users Posts: 31,744 ✭✭✭✭ is_that_so

    Know of a family booked for Christmas. They feel confident but keeping an eye all the same.

  • Registered Users Posts: 219 ✭✭ deeperlearning

    The large trade surplus the EU has with the US would be a more logical explanation.

    In 2010, the EU had a trade surplus with the United States of EUR 61 billion. The trade surplus remained throughout the whole period, reaching EUR 150 billion in 2020.

    The US is a good customer.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,519 ✭✭✭ Duff

    You'd hope they'd have the ball rolling by Christmas alright, but I don't think I can take the build up of excitement of going only for it to be cancelled again ☹️

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,305 ✭✭✭ Bit cynical

    Kind of depressing that the article does not point out that even with the DCC she could not have gone to the US.

  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 21,508 Mod ✭✭✭✭ helimachoptor

    fwiw, I've been speaking to someone in the Dept of Trade & Employment for the last while (for commercial/company reasons) , a couple of months ago, the expectation was that restrictions would be lifted around Independence day - 1) due to high initial rate of vaccine take up 2) no delta variant (in large scale).

    Biden made a statement i think around 4 weeks ago now, when he met Merkel that information on restrictions being lifted would come within days. However, what came in the next few days (no inside information on this decision) was confirmation Delta has scared the US shitless and the ban would remain.

    Since then Biden has said they are working on a plan and will share details (but no timelines), but its clear that if you want to go to US you will need to be jabbed. I think its linked somewhere else on the forum, but CDC are saying vaccines are prevening serious illness, but not preventing transmission. So if they open borders even to vaxxed people there will be some tranmission linked to that. However, having friends that are living in the US now, an unvaxxed and 100% infected person can hop on a plane and go where ever they want, so international ban doesnt make a lot of sense

    Person i'm dealing with is a mid level public servant, so not sitting in the Oval Office, but they are involved in trying to get jobs and investment into the US and at the moment, companies wont pull a trigger if they cant get over there.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,486 ✭✭✭ correct horse battery staple

    That’s an interesting post, and I think will endup being a political decision

    Biden wants more and better paying jobs, it’s the only way to defeat Trumpism by being able to say come next election “we actually made America great, vote us back”

    and at some stage realisation that no amount of pleading will get conservatives to vaccinate themselves, they only care about jobs and Tourism is a giant sector in US providing millions in employment being number 1 destination in world

    hopefully they open to vaccinated people, so can travel for both work and leisure

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭ Marty Bird

    When Canada went down the route of only allowing jabbed travellers in was inevitable the US would follow, I’ve a spot at the Boston Marathon in Oct safe to say that’s not going to happen for me now😢

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,103 ✭✭✭ Tazz T

    Looking like the EU may reciprocate and ban US travellers from entering the EU soon. I think they were expecting the US to open their borders in return for letting the US in and that obviously didn't happen and now US figures are on the rise.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,486 ✭✭✭ correct horse battery staple

    We are not in Shengen tho and I say our government will not want block travel from us for a multitude of reasons, hoping USA reciprocate eventually

  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 19,536 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Mr.S

    I pushed mine back to end of October for now, free changes and 0 fare difference. December is probably a good enough chance, but who knows really.

    Chances are the September -> December '21 or March '22 will incur a hefty fare difference, so something to keep in mind! Prices are shooting up vs the bottom prices from earlier in the year.

    If it was me and there was low fare difference, I would move to December first and then see how things are.

    For what it's worth, NYC for Paddy's Day ain't great. Much better at Christmas imo.

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭ hynesie08

    I'm booked for NYC 18th-26th December, I'm about 95% confident it'll be fine, but obviously there's a small niggle in the back of my head.

    Agree on paddy's (Patty's) day in new York, **** parade and a **** amateur hour for drinkers.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,058 ✭✭✭ fly_agaric

    Be a bit of a joke if rest of EU (well Schengen countries) thinks the US are presenting an increased risk due to their anti-vaxx/anti-govt. cohort providing a good reservoir for maintaining large amounts of spread of Delta & other variants and restricts them again (!) and we don't change anything.

    Govt. here afair had some EU citizens (but not others) having to do the mandatory quarantine for a time on a somewhat arbitrary basis IMO. The whole policy around international travel in this pandemic has been so bad and illogical at times in both Europe and the US.

    Have always thought many of the Asian countries who've just been very strict on it from the start and have stayed that way (+ will probably remain mostly "closed", at least until they complete vaccination programmes) have had the right idea even if causes suffering for people whose families are scattered across several countries.