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Pregnant women's vaccinated partners not allowed to stay with them in hospitals.

  • 27-07-2021 2:56pm
    Registered Users Posts: 3,497 ✭✭✭ political analyst

    In an opinion peace published in today's Indo, Social Democrat TD Holly Cairns wrote that she has been contacted by numerous couples - where a woman was pregnant and both partners were fully-vaccinated - that they and their partners have been told that vaccination makes no difference and thus that the partners are still being denied entry to maternity hospitals all over the country. The Psychological Society of Ireland said that the exclusion of partners has a negative impact on women's mental health because the women are deprived of the emotional and physical support that their partners would provide during scans and appointments.

    She wrote that a man who contacted her office spoke of his anguish at having to remain outside while his wife miscarried in hospital. He had driven his wife there and had been told to leave. Then, he spent hours driving aimlessly.

    Cairns also wrote that nobody has given an adequate answer as to why these restrictions are in place and that it's probably because of a perceived lack of political power due to women, unlike pubs and restaurants, not having a lobby group and thus being very low on the list of the government's priorities.

    So why has Stephen Donnelly not lifted the restrictions on the presence of pregnant women's partners in hospitals? Why does being fully vaccinated not make a difference to the restrictions? It only takes a stroke of a pen to end the torment.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]

    It is clearly the hospital themselves that are keeping these restrictions. A colleague of mine, his wife had a baby two weeks ago, there was no restrictions on him, and the wife was in for a full week.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,888 ✭✭✭ Pauliedragon

    This was put to Donnelly a while back and his answer was it's up to the management at each individual hospital to make their own rules regarding restrictions suggesting it's out of his control. Whether that's him passing the buck or not nobody knows I suppose.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,282 ✭✭✭ jackboy

    Its obviously not related to health. Probably take a whistleblower for us to find out.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 674 ✭✭✭ aziz

    Bloody stupid carry on, so hospitals can make their own rules and their boss,the HSE can’t do anything about it

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,958 ✭✭✭ ceadaoin.

  • Registered Users Posts: 14,305 ✭✭✭✭ jimmycrackcorm

    It makes sense to restrict as much as possible the number of people in a hospital, the one place where there are concentrated numbers of ill patients.

    We already know that covid is more dangerous to people with underlying conditions so restrictive measures are simply necessary.

    Being vaccinated also doesn't change that. It's obvious that once you are going l fully vaccinated, you are going to be less cautious sir to your own lower self risk and possibly more likely to spread it while being asymptomatic.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 497 ✭✭ radiotrickster

    I just saw on Twitter a woman on a labour ward said a teenager in the bed opposite is roaring because her mother had to leave. This is such a traumatic, desperate situation.

    Donnelly needs to put more pressure on hospitals to lift restrictions. It’s pure cruelty to leave the woman in need of support that a loved one or partner can give, and to leave the partner stuck outside feeling useless. And it must be miserable for the partners to know they’re missing bonding in the first few days of their child’s life.

    If the government can arrange PCR tests for gigs, they can figure this out.

  • Registered Users Posts: 583 ✭✭✭ crooked cockney villain

    The Twitter woman is a Socialist according to her bio. I'd take absolutely any story from any leftist activist who uses Twitter with a winter ice gritter sized pinch of salt.

  • Registered Users Posts: 583 ✭✭✭ crooked cockney villain

    Has Ruth Coppinger left a normal, regular person adminning her Twitter? Her posts are using bizarre, normal folk terminology.

    "Heaven and earth was moved to get drinking and dining open but girls and women are going thru pregnancy and birth without support"

    Ruth and her band of lunatics normally refer to "pregnant people". Normally the above quote would be viewed as exclusionary to biological women who identify as men/ non binary but still find themselves pregnant.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,358 ✭✭✭ Be right back

  • Registered Users Posts: 23,702 ✭✭✭✭ Mrs OBumble

    Many, many women have birthed and raised children without a father in sight.

    What this is really exposing is the abysmal midwifery staffing levels in our hospitals.

    Women should not be having the horrific experiences described here, because their should be adequate numbers of vetted, trained, qualified and registered health care professionals to care for them. Because there aren't, many women have come to depend on their unvetted, untrained, unqualified sex and/or life partners instead. Having these people in labour and post-birth Wards raises all sorts of risks.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭ Deeec

    I agree with you on staffing levels but this is a problem thats not going to be solved anytime soon. Once you give birth you are pretty much on your own as regards care of the baby which is hard for first time mums or mums who are unwell - they need the support of their partners. Fathers being at the birth and helping to look after the baby and mum in those first few days is so important for bonding and also for the recovery of the mum.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,497 ✭✭✭ political analyst

    Hopefully, the fact that the HSE recruitment embargo was lifted last year means that more midwives will be recruited.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,663 ✭✭✭ c.p.w.g.w

    My buddy has been out in the car park while his wife is currently going through labour...she is into hour 11, and his not allowed's a complete joke

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,958 ✭✭✭ ceadaoin.

    Most women want "these people" with them while they are going through labour and birth. No amount of staff can make up for having to do it alone if that isn't what they want.

  • Registered Users Posts: 583 ✭✭✭ crooked cockney villain

    Expectant FATHERS?

    Has Ruth yet again yapped on about patriarchal cisgendered norms? What about the lesbian couples? The strong independent women who don't need no man to raise their gender neutral human?

    I'm actually staggered that this wagon has started talking like a normal person all of a sudden. Surely must have somebody else adminning the account.

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,470 ✭✭✭ Cork_exile

    Tell me, who is making next of kin decisions?

    They're not allowed in the hospital, do you think that (if something is going wrong and mother is incapacitated) having the next of kin of both patients out of contact is a rational decision?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 678 ✭✭✭ alibab

    To me this simply doesn’t make sense . Visiting in residential care homes with the most vulnerable in society is fully open more or less with checklists and temperature checks yet here we are not leaving vaccinated fathers into stay with there pregnant partners . I can’t understand it and it actually feels like a element of control . I would actually say all acute hospitals not just maternity services should be making there way back to the normality of visiting if it can be done on nursing homes why not in hospitals. Horror stories of people suffering with dementia being admitted and not being looked after nutritionally as previously families would have come into assist now not allowed . All they do is shrug there shoulders and say not enough staff these are the basics to human life . And as for communication don’t even start . No one answering phones or giving any information to families . I think it’s now being used as a tool to keep people out so they don’t have to engage etc . Or else they have actually lost the power to do so .

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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,702 ✭✭✭✭ Mrs OBumble

    Being an advocate for patients is part of the job of being a nurse / midwife.

    If you think that the midwives who cared for you did not adequately advocate for you, then you need to start making official complaints about that.

    Having your sex or life partner there might make you feel better, but unless they are medically trained they don't know what issues are important and what aren't.