What do you even call this? Funeral procession joyride maybe?

Citizen Six

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120580973#Comment_120580973

No chance.

salonfire

Was the Garda driving up the wrong way as well? He is in trouble if he was. Legally, that's a serious breach of the traffic acts.

Potential-Monke

If I ever find myself walking past James McGuill and he on fire, I'll go out of my way to buy more petrol. He's as scummy as the crispy bandits were. GRA/AGSI should not like this, and better be extremely vocal against it. If I hadn't quit already, this would make me do it. Before I left, I was already deflated by managements lack of support. If they don't come out in defence of this Garda, I could see more leaving. And I wouldn't blame them. Shocking stuff.

Killinator

The only unfortunate thing about those lads dying was that it was instant and they didn't get a chance to suffer beforehand and get a sense of the fear they put so many people in before they turned to ashes!

billyhead

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120580944#Comment_120580944

For doing his job. Absolute farce of a decision to prosecute the guard. I hope the guards go on strike over this.

Larbre34

If it goes to trial - and with all things considered that remains a big if - then there needs to be thousands of people at that Court every minute of every day of it.

The Government and GSOC and the DPP and the arse covering Garda brass need to be left in no doubt that the people are done with the balance of sympathy being with the criminals and the drug dealers and the re-offenders.

These dickhead career gougers drove the wrong way down a three lane motorway fleeing from the police and it's one of the police officers' fault that they died??

**** that.

mobby

It's a wonder they are not doing the truck driver for not paying attention to what was coming towards him.

It may not go to trial as suggested above but it's all about the image it portrays and what the guard will have to go through. It's some kip of a world we live in that's for sure

Montage of Feck

Oh the poor concerned families, ffs lol. What about the innocent families whose homes were burgled. The self entitlement and lack of shame is something else.

mobby

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120581411#Comment_120581411

It's all about how much they can make on this, them and their scumbag lawyers. I understand the truck driver lost both his legs, just doing his job.

Witcher

He didn't lose both his legs

dublinman1990

These charges levelled against the guard in this case are just unthinkable. They are absolutely disgraceful. If there was ever a moment in where the arms of the state had administered a huge brainfart upon itself. This would be it.

The guard deserves a medal for his important work in trying to catch these psychopaths. He does not deserve to get a criminal record.

He had an important job to go after three scumbags who had the intent to rob and to cause significant harm to a home that belonged to an innocent family who lived out in Tallaght.

The three of them then saw the guard while out on the road driving at night in that part of Dublin, dimmed their lights in the car, to eventually meet to their fate when they collided with the unfortunate truck driver on the N7.

What other country in the world would think that these punishments would a suitable form of 'justice' to bring upon a policeman of this nature.

Do anyone here have their hands up?

No. Well then. I will rest my case.

The Irish state are a bunch of morons.

batman_oh

I live just off the Ballymun road on Collins Avenue and every day little scumbag teenagers fly past the house on dirtbikes/robbed bikes, doing wheelies and straight through every red light. We have already said that teenage scum can basically do what they like but this now looks like we are extending that to lifelong adult scum too. But hey - DEY HAZ NO FACILITEEZ

Lionel Fusco

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120581037#Comment_120581037

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elperello

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/gardai-believe-three-who-died-in-n7-crash-deliberately-drove-in-wrong-direction-1154338.html

It says in this link from two years ago that AGS did not follow the BMW on the wrong side of the road.

DellyBelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120581491#Comment_120581491

I hadn't realised his injuries were that bad...that is shocking..poor guy he really has suffered life changing injuries

Topgear on Dave

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120582221#Comment_120582221

There's likely lots of other rules and laws they have to follow when pursuing somebody.

Whatever decisions a garda driver made in the space of 5 minutes that night will now be slowly and forensically scrutinised by a legal team seated in a warm office with all the information written down in front of them, and a couple of months to consider the decision.

It may be good law or bad law but the law is the law if the cops deviated from it.

Pawwed Rig

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120582357#Comment_120582357

Reminds me of the movie on the pilot who landed in the Hudson. When you scrutinise split second decisions by committee over a long period of time it is not too hard to see that maybe a better decision could have been made but they ignore the fact it was split second in someone who may have been full of adrenaline and in fear of what might happen

Killinator

Nearly every single article I've seen has comments 99% backing the Garda and shocked at the decision, including Twitter.

If comments sections are shocked at the decision and on the Gardai's side then you know there's a f••k up by decision makers! Usually they can't even issue a speeding ticket without someone criticizing them online!

Quitelife

Just shows the soft on crime state Ireland has become.

Individuals who have hundreds of convictions out to do more robbing drive on the wrong side of the road to evade gardai arresting them and the guards are wrong ??

Law and order is dead in Ireland!

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120581090#Comment_120581090

Yep better not go through any red lights or exceed the speed limit when trying to catch criminals 🙄

You want to apply this to ambulances and fire brigade as well? They routinely go on the wrong side of the road to get through blocked junctions etc. Sorry mate we couldn't get to your cardiac arrest any quicker, there was an aul wan in a Micra doing 40 and there was a continuous white line...

Hotblack Desiato

If there's a jury trial I hope they are aware of jury nullification

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

Regardless of the evidence a jury is under no obligation to convict. I certainly wouldn't.

Varik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120582546#Comment_120582546

Jury is under no obligation, but the Irish Judges instruction tend to be very leading. Doubt most jurors have an idea of what they can or can't do.

HeidiHeidi

RTE news : AGSI: Way garda learned of N7 crash charge 'scandalous'

http://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2023/0511/1383022-garda-court-tallaght-deaths/

salonfire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120582221#Comment_120582221

Very bizzare decision then so.

It's probably only a formality that gsoc have to go through. If it gets thrown out of court or rejected by the DPP, no one can accuse gsoc of any loose ends.

salonfire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120582531#Comment_120582531

There should be a specific clause in the Traffic Acts that allows them to do that. But there isn't.

It's a grey area and such grey areas can be exploited by lawyers. It's up to the civil servants and the government to make sure the legislation is rebust.

bucketybuck

I think people are a bit premature in their outrage over this, they don't even know what the charge is yet.

You would think to hear people that he is being charged in relation to the deaths, but going on what has been reported it seems clear that that is not the case at all, it is simply something to do with an action he took while driving. The fact that three scumbags died later seems to be rather incidental.

And I can understand it because of precedent. If they have some important rule about conduct while driving then how can they just ignore that it was breached in such a high profile example? If they ignore it then others will start ignoring the rule and what will the consequences of that be?

The ambulance chasers want to know what the charge is in case there is money in it for them but that is not a reason to just pretend that nothing happened. He will probably get a slap on the wrist for breaking a rule, the scumbags will remain off the streets and no harm done in the end.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120582357#Comment_120582357

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120582921#Comment_120582921

Time will tell.

For now a member of AGS finds himself in a very unenviable situation.

Pawwed Rig

They mentioned criminal charges didn't they? Not just traffic violations.

whisky_galore

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120582454#Comment_120582454

Plenty law, little justice.

Ten of Swords

The independent.ie news article said this

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-to-face-prosecution-over-fatal-crash-of-three-criminals-fleeing-patrol-car/a549115379.html

A sitting of Dublin District Coroner’s Court heard that the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) has directed that a garda involved in the pursuit of the three males, who were members of a Tallaght-based criminal gang that specialised in burglaries, is to be charged with a driving offence.

We don't know what the actual charge is yet, and it won't be available for a couple if weeks. Some driving offences can carry very stiff penalties though, especially where a death was involved