I'm done with Ireland - Which EU Country to move to

Jermony.

Watch a load of Auf Wiedershen Pet episodes before you go.

Sorted.

punisher5112

punisher5112 wrote: »

They're having a huge huge issue with the migrants they have given free pass to enter, many villages/towns now have less actual locals then they do Syrians and so on...
Have friends over there and there are many no go areas....

Funny when you think the Germans were set on killing and now they can't get enough people into their country, this will and is back firing big time.... Not talking about the killing part.

From which alternate reality are you getting your reports.

punisher5112

[Deleted User] wrote: »

From which alternate reality are you getting your reports.

I laughed

nozzferrahhtoo

Moved to Germany myself over 10 years ago and haven't looked back.

There are too many things I have become used to having for free, or nearly free, over here that are either relatively much more expensive back in Ireland or are non-existent entirely. Just so many facilities for adults and children that are hard to find back in Ireland, or can not be found at all.

I also have the issue that the particular line of IT Programming I am in simply does not pay as well in Ireland. To have the same quality of life for myself and my family (2 parents, 2 kids) I would need a significant salary increase back in Ireland. But in fact the same work I do here pays on average 20-40% less in Ireland..... with which I would then have to contend with the higher cost of property and living that Ireland so kindly offers.

So financially I am not sure I could go back unless I wanted to take a serious hit. Skilled people in that line of programming are surprisingly hard to get. My last company still contacts me periodically trying to give me my job back or asking if I know anyone who would take it. I get 3/4 job offers per week in the 60-90k salary range too for the same role all over Germany, usually with home office now. In a modest family with one 80k salary you can comfortably run a car, 110m2 apartment, 2 kids in schools, buy the better end of food in the supermarket, have a few socials nights out a month, good internet and nice hobbies...... and still be putting 1200-1500k a month into savings. Just to give a general view. Though in a big city like Frankfurt or Munich or Stuttgart I am sure that would be lower but still significant. Biggest bill I have every months for example is power, which is about 90euro per month. Vodafone mobile contract with 20GB data.... coming in around 50euro a month. Car insurance 60 euro a month. Car tax is 5 euro per month.

Children have grown up bilingual too which is nice. Pretty much mother tongue standard in both languages. Which always seems impressive to me given I am here over 10 years and have not had to engage with the language much at all so.... embarrassingly enough.... I have barely learned a word of it.

The philosophy in property over here is much more Rent orientated too. The Irish philosophy of getting on the "property ladder" never felt right to me. So I prefer the outlook here. Probably goes against the mentality of a lot of Ireland people though, but for me it just works.

Tax and health insurance takes about half my salary straight away. But after that I have few expenses or significant outlays after that.

I have not used my health insurance much myself but on the few occasions I did it was comfortable and everything was free. When I hit 40 I went to pretty much every specialist in the area for a check up.... eyes.... bloods.... HNO (throat nose and ears).... full eye check up.... and much more. Cost not a penny. If I decide I need mental health help I can get 4 hours free with a counsellor.... who can then authorise 12 more hours if they feel they need to.... but if they sign a paper to say I need more after that I can have up to another 60 hours after that per year (this is from memory, not sure the figures entirely correct, but ballpark). Again all free. I could go to 20 doctors tomorrow to get an opinion on the same medical issue and it would likely be all free (never tested it though, so I assume at SOME point the insurance company will flag that as odd). I have not paid for any of the dental work I have received over the last 10 years either except for ONE bill for general anesthetic solely because I opted for it where it was not entirely necessary.

Not seeing much of the Syrian problems the user above is discussing. We have had one or two high profile events but not really near me (Wurzburg was the nearest recent one, which is over an hour train ride away). I work mostly from home but my two offices I sometimes go to are 2 hours to my south and 4 hours to my east. So I get around Germany a bit. Not seen any of the issues. I live in a small town myself which has no refugees at all. For awhile I was also working in the city near by to educate refugees in IT skills, programming, web design, database design and programming. So I met and enjoyed the company of some of the lovely refugees myself. But not a huge amount of them. But all lovely people from first to last. I see much more of the Turkish community here who are... integrated but not quite integrated. They maintain their own language and supermarkets and areas so they are just so much more visible than.... say.... the surprisingly large but near invisible Italian community in Ireland would be.

My small town is a catholic enough area but seems to be lessening interest over here to the point that current priest here is an African priest they imported who can not even speak German last time I saw him.... and he is the priest for 4/5 parishes which they amalgamated because there is simply not enough interest here to warrant.... or pay for..... priests for them.

The park in the middle of the city my town is beside is one I comfortably walk through in the dark at night. In fact I can not think of any area of Germany I have been in yet where I felt in any way unsafe or threatened. Including when I lived in Frankfurt for a year and my partner lived in Stuttgart. But I do know areas of Frankfurt are not the safest. In fact in one case a guy I KINDA knew, in passing, was killed by bouncers outside a night club.

So all in all happy that I came here. The heat in summer is something I do stuggle to deal with when it gets into the late 30s. And over Covid I have missed being able to visit Ireland and am desperate to get back for a week to recharge that part of my soul. But other than the occasional recharge.... I am not yet feeling the call of returning home to Ireland any time soon. If I moved.... I think I would more likely be drawn to trying life in the UK before I would Ireland I think.

Mr.S

Mr.S wrote: »

Wait till you find out the price of the TV licence and mandatory health insurance premiums (€300+ per month)

Comparable with private health and TV licence here and I bet they get an incomparably better health service than the shambles we have here.

Thelonious Monk

Timmyr wrote: »

I live in NZ and this is completely false, we are miles ahead of Ireland, especially with our banking!
I havent seen cash in years and our food and restaurant scene is amazing

Yes I was there in 2007 and was amazed that you could pay for drinks in bars with chip and pin, it took years for that to arrive in Ireland

ypres5

punisher5112 wrote: »

They're having a huge huge issue with the migrants they have given free pass to enter, many villages/towns now have less actual locals then they do Syrians and so on...
Have friends over there and there are many no go areas....

Funny when you think the Germans were set on killing and now they can't get enough people into their country, this will and is back firing big time.... Not talking about the killing part.

Spoken like someone whose only experience of Germany is through reading the Breitbart news comments section.

HBC08

Hello Moto GP wrote: »

I'm done with the bolloxology which is our government, I cannot listen to them any longer and the housing crisis with everything going on with them. They promise everything and deliver nothing. Overpaid Public Sector staff, outdated health system, housing crisis, Covid management and could go on and on.

For a professional what country would you move to and why? Australia and US are out of the question. I'm 28 BTW.

If you get that wound up by lying politicians and over paid public servants you won't settle anywhere.

nozzferrahhtoo

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

And over Covid I have missed being able to visit Ireland and am desperate to get back for a week to recharge that part of my soul. But other than the occasional recharge.... I am not yet feeling the call of returning home to Ireland any time soon. If I moved.... I think I would more likely be drawn to trying life in the UK before I would Ireland I think.

Great points.

I lived in Belgium (Antwerp) for 5 years in the 90s, most of what you outlined applies there too. Only reason I came back to Ireland was for the "craic", but when I came back I realised I had grossly overestimated the craic here. My view was coloured by leaving after finishing college here and going into the adult working world there. Looking back it was actually pretty good and I had friends there.

Since COVID hit this is completely gone and I don't see it coming back anymore. Most of my good friends now in Ireland are a mix of Irish who have lived abroad and "foreigners" living here.

Things have gotten immeasurably worse here since COVID. We have pre war German levels of authoritarianism coupled with a third world government that is bent on destroying us economically and what is now a completely ineffective health service that costs an absolute fortune. The same people that made a shambles of the health service are now effectively running the country and Micheal Martin just rubber stamps it. The worst of it all is very few people here seem to be able to see it.

Ireland the only country in the EU that didn't implement the Digital COVID certificate on time, and still have Gardai at the airport dishing out €2k fines for non essential travel.

Come visit in 2022, but make sure to have a return ticket !

whisky_galore

[Deleted User] wrote: »

From which alternate reality are you getting your reports.

I'm beginning to think these "no go areas" are where people look and dress differently, maybe speak some other language?

Mimon

Hello Moto GP wrote: »

I say i'd be home after a month if i went to amsterdams, too many distractions haha

Plenty of other places in the Netherlands. Lived in the Hague, very nice city.

ancapailldorcha

Deleted User wrote: »

Great points.

I lived in Belgium (Antwerp) for 5 years in the 90s, most of what you outlined applies there too. Only reason I came back to Ireland was for the "craic", but when I came back I realised I had grossly overestimated the craic here. My view was coloured by leaving after finishing college here and going into the adult working world there. Looking back it was actually pretty good and I had friends there.

Since COVID hit this is completely gone and I don't see it coming back anymore. Most of my good friends now in Ireland are a mix of Irish who have lived abroad and "foreigners" living here.

Things have gotten immeasurably worse here since COVID. We have pre war German levels of authoritarianism coupled with a third world government that is bent on destroying us economically and what is now a completely ineffective health service that costs an absolute fortune. The same people that made a shambles of the health service are now effectively running the country and Micheal Martin just rubber stamps it. The worst of it all is very few people here seem to be able to see it.

Ireland the only country in the EU that didn't implement the Digital COVID certificate on time, and still have Gardai at the airport dishing out €2k fines for non essential travel.

Come visit in 2022, but make sure to have a return ticket !

How did you find Belgium? I applied for a job in Ghent but I was unsuccessful.

ancapailldorcha

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

How did you find Belgium? I applied for a job in Ghent but I was unsuccessful.

I can only speak for Flanders as Brussels and Wallonia are both completely different from each other and from Flanders. It's fine. Like a less uptight and less in your face version of The Netherlands. Gent (as the locals call it) is a nice city. In fact everywhere in Flanders is different too as they had walled cities for centuries and a distinct culture developed in each.

Flemish people are quite reserved and formal, but most are fine when you get to know them. Taxes are high, but the standard of living is good, decent accommodation is very affordable, and the basics of life (healthcare, food, entertainment) are very affordable.

ancapailldorcha

Deleted User wrote: »

I can only speak for Flanders as Brussels and Wallonia are both completely different from each other and from Flanders. It's fine. Like a less uptight and less in your face version of The Netherlands. Gent (as the locals call it) is a nice city. In fact everywhere in Flanders is different too as they had walled cities for centuries and a distinct culture developed in each.

Flemish people are quite reserved and formal, but most are fine when you get to know them. Taxes are high, but the standard of living is good, decent accommodation is very affordable, and the basics of life (healthcare, food, entertainment) are very affordable.

Ghent is in Flanders as well. I'd prefer Flanders to Brussels and/or Walloon.

tayto lover

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

There were 11,531 German living in Ireland for the 2016 census. I can't open (at the moment) the document that gives a better breakdown by area.

No mention of Africans in that.!!!

irishguitarlad

Spain

Feenix

irishguitarlad wrote: »

Spain

Can you explain why without mentioning "weather"?

Mimon

Deleted User wrote: »

We have pre war German levels of authoritarianism coupled with a third world government that is bent on destroying us economically and what is now a completely ineffective health service

Ireland the only country in the EU that didn't implement the Digital COVID certificate on time, and still have Gardai at the airport dishing out €2k fines for non essential travel.

Come visit in 2022, but make sure to have a return ticket !

On your first point :rolleyes:

On the second one, we didn't issue it because of the HSE hack.

Mimon

tayto lover wrote: »

No mention of Africans in that.!!!

Africa isn't one nation. Out of African countries Nigerians presumably would the largest group here?

ImAHappyCamper

Mr.S wrote: »

Wait till you find out the price of the TV licence and mandatory health insurance premiums (€300+ per month)

Just got my tv license bill in the door. It's the equivalent of about €250 for the year. Yes it's a lot and I hate paying for it because I never watch it! Health insurance has too many variables( age, location, too many more to mention) It certainly can be €300+ but I'm a 38 year old male and I'm paying about €185 per month. If the OP is single then Switzerland would make sense, especially financially. If you're looking to have a bit of craic then Stockholm or Sweden in general is also worth checking out.

Capt'n Midnight

Zebra3 wrote: »

Switzerland is not in the EU, so OP not allowed move there.

They aren't in the EEA either. But EU citizens can move to any other EU country , or EEA ( Iceland, Norway, Lichtenstein ) or Switzerland. For 90 days, after which they they can deport you if you are gainfully occupied.


Irish citizens can also go to the UK but in parts of England the beer is warm and the people are cold.

ClosedAccountFuzzy

You have to register after 90 days in most (but not all) EU countries but as long as you’ve a legitimate reason for being there, including work, seeking work, education or if you’re of independent means (retired, loaded etc) it’s not an issue.

Usually you’ll only ever encounter something like deportation in fairly extreme circumstances - welfare fraud, tax fraud, criminal activity etc and even then it’s unlikely.

You also automatically become permanently resident after a period of time registered.

Moving house in Europe in general requires registration with the local town hall, including for citizens of those countries. It’s just unusual and strange from the perspective of an anglophone country, we have historically only ever had controls at the frontier.

There is no formal registration process in Ireland for EU nationals and there’s certainly no obligation to alert the local city or county council of your address. You just become resident by being habitually resident. If you work for example, you’ll get a PPSN issued pretty much automatically. That’s why we are so concerned about bills in your name, banks accounts and so on when trying to prove someone is resident here.

Only non EU / UK citizens have formalities here and it’s extended to EEA and Swiss nationals with some bilateral limitations.

Gregor Samsa

OP should go to Svalbard.

Though not in the EU, thanks to the 1920 Svalbard Treaty, citizens of any signatory country have not only visa free access, but the right to engage in hunting, fishing, mining, industry or trade. The UK signed the treaty while Ireland was still part of it, so even after independence, we're still legal signatories. While Norway holds sovereignty, the archipelago is mostly demilitarised, and taxes can only be raised to fund Svalbard itself, resulting in lower taxes than Norway proper (income tax is just 8%). There's hardly any government welfare, so while this keeps taxes down, you do have to be able to support yourself. Or you'll die.

So you're free to go there, do a bit of mining or fishing, fight off some polar bears, and enjoy the fresh air. Carrying a firearm is mandatory outside of the settlements.

There is a housing crisis, though. Partially caused by avalanches destroying some of them.

Also you can't give birth or be buried there. There's no maternity facilities. The only cemetery closed in the 1950s, as bodies don't decompose in the permafrost, and there was fears of the flu virus lingering in corpses and infecting future populations. Cats are also forbidden.

Capt'n Midnight

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

Cats are also forbidden.

The polar bears ate them.

listermint

Has no one realised yet that the OP is in fact going nowhere.



Do'ers don't ask boards they just do.

The OP will as with most of the doom sayers on the thread live up their existence in Ireland whilst complaining about it down the pub.

Hello Moto GP

listermint wrote: »

Has no one realised yet that the OP is in fact going nowhere.



Do'ers don't ask boards they just do.

The OP will as with most of the doom sayers on the thread live up their existence in Ireland whilst complaining about it down the pub.

Well to be honest I was thinking of getting a mortgage in the next couple months but with seen everything shoot up by 20-30K where I live im thinking of shooting off somewhere for a year or two and see how it settles down.

I'm 28 and no ties. May as well Go now.

listermint

Hello Moto GP wrote: »

Well to be honest I was thinking of getting a mortgage in the next couple months but with seen everything shoot up by 20-30K where I live im thinking of shooting off somewhere for a year or two and see how it settles down.

I'm 28 and no ties. May as well Go now.

Your going somewhere as much as I'm going to Krispy Kreme this evening.

Let's be honest.

I await however with trepidation for you to prove me wrong and not be just another ireland / Dublin internet complainer.

Tork

He closed his boards account. Perhaps he really is gone...