Russia - threadbanned users in OP

roosterman71

The bridge collapse/lean to one side doesn't look like a missile or anything hit it to me. I don't see any holes blew in it, the steel isn't bent out of shape. hell the road still looks smooth. To my untrained eye, it looks like the support or something gave way and that section simply fell down and is held on by something further in under the section.

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120861822#Comment_120861822

Your man on Sky News recently said Russia has almost run out of Counter Battery radar. That was about 2 weeks ago. When you see 'special equipment' on the casualty list it could mean these radars.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120861836#Comment_120861836

If you look there's debris on the bridge itself, and explosions were reported. Appears to be naval drones.

HalloweenJack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120861790#Comment_120861790

Hmm. The cynic in me would suggest that Russia is making the most of the attack on the Crimea bridge.

I mean isn't it some coincidence that it happened today when the deal was about to expire and Russia was doddering about when it came to re-negotiating the deal?

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120861876#Comment_120861876

Indeed, Zoopark-1's, the Ukrainians have taken out at least a dozen of them over the course of the war. It's one of the things that Popov guy was complaining about before they got rid of him.

Polar101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120861905#Comment_120861905

And a bit later Erdogan will announce they've reached an agreement to continue the deal (again).

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120861798#Comment_120861798

But you're still trying to have it both ways!

How can you say in one breath that it's up to the Ukrainians to decide when to call it a day?? And then in the next, that they need to be told straight that will not be supplied with the means to sustain their war effort?? That's quite illogical and points to dissembling.

Which do you want to see happen?

pcardin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120861790#Comment_120861790

it means, exactly the opposite will happen. Besides, Erdogan already hinted they don't give a flying f... what that nazi state is saying.

wildefalcon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120861807#Comment_120861807

If the civilised world had announced a full programme to equip and train Ukraine the day after the invasion; air cover, long range missiles, the whole thing; what would Tzar Putin have done in reaction?

He's a powerful psychopathic bully, so it's entirety possible he'd have done something even more monumentally stupid.

By slowly drip feeding the Ukraine defence forces I think we've avoided that.

Tanks, cruise missiles, anti aircraft, jet fighters, all red lines, however now all on their way. Not enough, sure, but also not enough to trigger the fascist dictator into doing something that would ruin it all for everyone out of spite.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120861555#Comment_120861555

The companies who cut ties quickly mostly had very little assets in Russia. They were selling products or services so they just ... stopped selling.

The ones who had assets and factories sold them. Some sold quickly, some didn't. Which is what Carlsberg have been trying to do since 2022. They couldn't find a buyer. They found a buyer an unknown buyer month ago and apparently Russia didn't approve of the new buyer.

You're painting a very simple understanding of the situation.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120862000#Comment_120862000

The Russians want one of their banks reconnected to Swift and to be able to ship ammonia, we'll see how it plays out.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120862035#Comment_120862035

Whilst looking for a buyer - did Carlsberg cease production in Russia? Did they let go their Russian staff? Did they cease selling in the Russian market?

Dohnjoe

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https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1680557380671623168

RoyalCelt

Hopefully turkey follows through and uses it's Navy to ensure the ship's keep leaving. If they need help invite NATO ships and submarines to assist also. They could also sieze Russian ships with stolen grain.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120862059#Comment_120862059

Close their breweries, fire their staff and then try to sell the business?

roosterman71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120861898#Comment_120861898

I was mainly going by this video posted a couple of pages back

https://twitter.com/the_ins_ru/status/1680822062548393984

I'd expect a lot more damage done to it if there was an explosion like when it was hit originally. None of the barriers are buckled, road not cracked. It looks like that section fell from the support giving way. I suppose something could target the support structure but that would then have the section on the other side gone too wouldn't it?

IdHidden

Evil.

https://twitter.com/glasnostgone/status/1680858716189360134?s=46&t=164doiZBMwnNrFfsvLsvPA

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120861381#Comment_120861381

You think I'm Russian now? Lol, as they say in Moscow. Merely keeping an eye on the bigger picture. A temporary disruption to a hated symbol and logistics route is good, but changes almost nothing on a significant level. I would have thought you'd have learned from the Prigozhin incident not to get so overexcited ("it's civil war! Putin is finished!" I told you to wait a day or two before calling the result...) and wet yourself over every incident, bit seems you never learn.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120862101#Comment_120862101

Yes... businesses and MNCs do this frequently enough you know. Buy up competitors, close them and sell the assets. Or build infrastructure, manufacture and then close - moving to other states where conditions are more favourable. In this instance, massive extra incentive to do just this. The deal they did with Russia initially is likely a factor but that didn't stop them doing the right thing.

Sleepy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120862022#Comment_120862022

One possible, but massive, result of this has to be the degradation of Putin's grip on power. Would his generals obey an order to launch a nuclear strike in 2023? Or would a side-arm be produced and used? I believe the latter scenario to be more likely at this stage.

Sunny Disposition

I would think the most likely conclusion of the war is through the Moscow regime failing. It nearly happened just a few weeks ago.

With the army losing a senseless war and the economy under pressure, who's to say how long the current leadership can keep a hold of power. One of its problems is there is another option for Russians, a new leadership and a withdrawal from Ukraine can improve the population's lot significantly. But when it happens is still very uncertain.

Some people (possibly Russian bots) say the Ukrainians can't conceivably take back their territory. But its more accurate to say that it's going to be impossible for Russia to hold it in the long term.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120862159#Comment_120862159

It was always likely. Self preservation is a motivating tool. Any general that obeyed such a command might as well put a bullet to his head for the consequences of launching a nuke would probably lead to their demise in retaliation. As well as the complete destruction of the Russian military.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120862144#Comment_120862144

Their chances of selling the business would have been significantly reduced if they stopped producing and fired their staff. This is basic stuff. Which would you prefer to buy: an operating company with 30% market share or a bunch of empty factories with no staff, no clients and 0% market share?

You are allowing emotions to cloud your judgement. If you wanted them out of the country - which is what you claim - then what they were doing had the best chance of that. They stopped selling Carlsberg in Russia, they stopped exporting from Russia, they stopped advertising in Russia, they kept operating Baltika Breweries for the sake of 8000 employees and to give them the best chance of selling the business.

It took them a year to find a buyer - which is not unusual given the scale - and from the timing of this announcement it seems that the Russian government didn't approve. The buyer is unknown so I can't even speculate the why. Early speculation was that it was a Turkish buyer.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120862159#Comment_120862159

The decision would likely be made by the core group (around a half dozen men who run Russia), no sidearms would be anywhere near Putin, he's one of the most protected men on the planet.

wildefalcon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120862273#Comment_120862273

And, hopefully, he'll remain one of the most protected men in the world. In the Hague, maximum security wing.....

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120861822#Comment_120861822

The inability of Russia's forces to change and pivot from both its supposed logistical dependency on rail networks, as well as its doctrine emphasising artillery saturation, is very curious and speaks ill of the army's flexibility in light of an enemy attacking those aspects. Not that it's easy just to completely change an entire army's thinking - but you'd also have to imagine all that military precision counts for something. Especially given Russia still has air supremacy.

@Manic Moran you seem to be the resident military expert of repute, so am curious what - if anything - you make of Russia's inability to evolve past these constraints? Assuming I'm not completely talking out of my hat.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120862119#Comment_120862119

But NATO!!!

Gatling

9 years today Flight MH 17 was shot down by Russian forces over Ukraine using a BUK anti aircraft missile killing all 298 passengers and crew onboard

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120862267#Comment_120862267

"They stopped selling Carlsberg in Russia, they stopped exporting from Russia, they stopped advertising in Russia, they kept operating Baltika Breweries for the sake of 8000 employees and to give them the best chance of selling the business."

So what were the 8000 employees doing the past year+? Producing product that they weren't selling? Twiddling their thumbs? Having a giant booze up?

We've all taken a financial hit due to this outrageous invasion by Russia of it's neighbour. Every single person through inflation, through loss of some sales in my case, through pension - graph of pension was steadily up till start of 2022 - then sharp drop off the cliff of €30K. Ukrainians are paying a massive personal cost.

No sympathy for any European business that invested in Russia and then failed to put the screws on them and take losses as they watched the horrors of this war. Russia needs to economically and financially bankrupted, down to the citizens themselves.

briany

Is there any practicality to providing a military escort for Ukrainian grain vessels? Calls were going up for it last year when the issue was first raised.

Supposing Ukrainian shipping could make the journey represented by the red arrowed line, from Odessa to the beginning of Romanian territorial waters (about 160 KM, as the crow flies), could a NATO naval escort take them all the way to the strait?

Obviously, if were as simple as what I'm outlining, it'd be done, and Russia would presumably try to make the red arrowed journey so problematic for Ukrainian grain vessels that it can't really be attempted, but if Russia truly do walk from the grain deal, then it must be some variation of this or else trying to go via land, which was rubbished already as not having anywhere near the capacity to efficiently transport Ukraine's grain output.