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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    I agree the Russians can not be trusted to keep their word on any agreement.


    Yes Russia may use the time to rebuild forces. But Ukraine will also have time to build up defences and they must seek out as much security guarantees possible in exchange for any agreement.

    This is not Afghanistan, there is nothing here to say things will end up the same at all.

    So far it is increasingly looking like a frozen conflict where many lives are being lost every day on the front lines, citizens are subjected to missile and drone attacks most days. And who knows what attrocity Russia could bring upon Ukraine next.

    My preference would be to see Russia kicked out of all of Ukraine instead, but this is just fantasy thinking, Ukraine are not recieving anywhere near the amount of weapons needed to make this a possibility.

    However having said all of that, it is ultimately up to the Ukrainian people themselves if they want to start some kind of negotiations which could lead to territory loss. But the west needs to be straight with them and tell them that they are not backing them enough to win this war. And talk of regaining all their territory and Crimea might never happen even after several years of war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,661 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    I think I have been reading Russia's been writing new laws (they do like laws and rules on paper) to basically steal all their stuff and sign it over to cronies if they leave the country (or even before then in some cases, if critical infrastructure or militarily useful perhaps?).

    So I think it is the massive investments in plant etc. some of them made over the Putin era that keeps them hanging on rather than profit, though perhaps some were also foolish and also hoped things would go back to "business as usual" quite quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭vixdname


    The Kersch Bridge is engaged in a special 'Leaning' operation.

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    SLAVA UKRAINE 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I'm not sure how FDI works in Russia but if it was here, whilst Carlsberg would be putting in money to build factories there'd also be assistance from the state. You can see why then a state would justify seizing the asset back. Anyway Carlsberg have had a year+ to read the room. Bad PR for them too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,235 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


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    Looks like a few russians have had their holiday ruined…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    Welcome to Ukraine

    A video of an ambush on a Russian truck, which was carried out by Chechen soldiers fighting on the side of Ukraine. It is not without reason that in the film we see the logo 🇺🇦 of Military Intelligence, which endorses the activities of foreign soldiers.



    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    "However having said all of that, it is ultimately up to the Ukrainian people themselves if they want to start some kind of negotiations which could lead to territory loss. But the west needs to be straight with them and tell them that they are not backing them enough to win this war. And talk of regaining all their territory and Crimea might never happen even after several years of war."

    You're having it both ways in this line of argument - saying that it's up to the Ukrainians to decide when to negotiate but then quickly qualifying this and saying that the west should force them to this position. Which is it??

    At present, the west is committed to supplying weapons, munitions and finances to Ukraine. The rate of supply and meeting the promises seems slow, logistics and practicalities of delivery must be a factor. The Ukrainian army values it's personnel and is prepared to be flexible in how it prosecutes the war. They need time, patience and support not voices in the west pulling the rug out from under them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    This seems to be the attack on the bridge. Storm Shadow?


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Peskov just announced that Russia is pulling out of the grain deal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,440 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Awww…the Russians had their holiday into occupied territory ruined on them. Let me play a tune to cheer them up:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    Not at all. It is a fact that the west is not supplying the weapons needed to win this war. The USA are particularly very careful about trying not to escalate things, not sending longer range weapons, being very slow to approve training and use of f16's

    Most of what has been promised as you say is very slow, and is just not going to make enough difference to win the war for Ukraine.

    So yes, it's up to the Ukranians, but they need to be told straight that they are not going to recieve enough to win it. And if this is the case a negotiated solution may need to be part of the converstaion, instead of this idea that Ukraine can drive Russia from all their land including Crimea which is something that does not look possible in the slightest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,306 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    The bridge collapse/lean to one side doesn't look like a missile or anything hit it to me. I don't see any holes blew in it, the steel isn't bent out of shape. hell the road still looks smooth. To my untrained eye, it looks like the support or something gave way and that section simply fell down and is held on by something further in under the section.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    Your man on Sky News recently said Russia has almost run out of Counter Battery radar. That was about 2 weeks ago. When you see 'special equipment' on the casualty list it could mean these radars.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    If you look there's debris on the bridge itself, and explosions were reported. Appears to be naval drones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,512 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    Hmm. The cynic in me would suggest that Russia is making the most of the attack on the Crimea bridge.

    I mean isn't it some coincidence that it happened today when the deal was about to expire and Russia was doddering about when it came to re-negotiating the deal?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Indeed, Zoopark-1's, the Ukrainians have taken out at least a dozen of them over the course of the war. It's one of the things that Popov guy was complaining about before they got rid of him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,185 ✭✭✭Polar101


    And a bit later Erdogan will announce they've reached an agreement to continue the deal (again).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    But you're still trying to have it both ways!

    How can you say in one breath that it's up to the Ukrainians to decide when to call it a day?? And then in the next, that they need to be told straight that will not be supplied with the means to sustain their war effort?? That's quite illogical and points to dissembling.

    Which do you want to see happen?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,217 ✭✭✭pcardin


    it means, exactly the opposite will happen. Besides, Erdogan already hinted they don't give a flying f... what that nazi state is saying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 939 ✭✭✭wildefalcon


    If the civilised world had announced a full programme to equip and train Ukraine the day after the invasion; air cover, long range missiles, the whole thing; what would Tzar Putin have done in reaction?

    He's a powerful psychopathic bully, so it's entirety possible he'd have done something even more monumentally stupid.

    By slowly drip feeding the Ukraine defence forces I think we've avoided that.

    Tanks, cruise missiles, anti aircraft, jet fighters, all red lines, however now all on their way. Not enough, sure, but also not enough to trigger the fascist dictator into doing something that would ruin it all for everyone out of spite.



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  • Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The companies who cut ties quickly mostly had very little assets in Russia. They were selling products or services so they just ... stopped selling.

    The ones who had assets and factories sold them. Some sold quickly, some didn't. Which is what Carlsberg have been trying to do since 2022. They couldn't find a buyer. They found a buyer an unknown buyer month ago and apparently Russia didn't approve of the new buyer.

    You're painting a very simple understanding of the situation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The Russians want one of their banks reconnected to Swift and to be able to ship ammonia, we'll see how it plays out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Whilst looking for a buyer - did Carlsberg cease production in Russia? Did they let go their Russian staff? Did they cease selling in the Russian market?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,223 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Hopefully turkey follows through and uses it's Navy to ensure the ship's keep leaving. If they need help invite NATO ships and submarines to assist also. They could also sieze Russian ships with stolen grain.



  • Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Close their breweries, fire their staff and then try to sell the business?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,306 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    I was mainly going by this video posted a couple of pages back

    I'd expect a lot more damage done to it if there was an explosion like when it was hit originally. None of the barriers are buckled, road not cracked. It looks like that section fell from the support giving way. I suppose something could target the support structure but that would then have the section on the other side gone too wouldn't it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭IdHidden




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭rogber


    You think I'm Russian now? Lol, as they say in Moscow. Merely keeping an eye on the bigger picture. A temporary disruption to a hated symbol and logistics route is good, but changes almost nothing on a significant level. I would have thought you'd have learned from the Prigozhin incident not to get so overexcited ("it's civil war! Putin is finished!" I told you to wait a day or two before calling the result...) and wet yourself over every incident, bit seems you never learn.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Yes... businesses and MNCs do this frequently enough you know. Buy up competitors, close them and sell the assets. Or build infrastructure, manufacture and then close - moving to other states where conditions are more favourable. In this instance, massive extra incentive to do just this. The deal they did with Russia initially is likely a factor but that didn't stop them doing the right thing.



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