English cricketer suspended over tweets written as teenager

iptba

What did Ollie Robinson say? England cricketer suspended over tweets – but Oliver Dowden hits out at ECB ban
The Culture Secretary suggested it was ‘over the top’ for England to ban the seamer for tweets he posted in 2012 and 2013

https://inews.co.uk/sport/cricket/ollie-robinson-what-say-tweets-england-cricketer-suspended-racist-sexist-twitter-oliver-dowden-ecb-1038468

I think this is an interesting topic which could be relevant to many in society given how many post on social media particularly if they use there real name. Not such a problem on Boards unless someone is doxxed (I have no idea whether this has happened or not).

iptba

Oops. Could a mod adjust end of title to “Culture Sec. not happy” please.

Stihl waters

Kinda funny, wish I was friends with a Muslim so I could say that

jam_mac_jam

Jesus Christ can we just ban Twitter, will this all go away then?

alchemist33

I caught the back end if this story today without knowing what the tweets were and, got to admit, I was expecting an awful lot worse than what I read in the OP.

Gatling

I hear worse from 8 and 9 year olds in work ,


Offended is really getting to a low bar of what's consider actually offensive these days

Seems tame... We really are building an extremely sensitive culture. God help all of us when this extends (which it will) to conversations that others (not involved) are listening to but are offended by.

Bobblehats

That type of craic goes around social circles more often than some may realise. In fact I’d say it’s the norm, just this fellow tweeted it

Gatling wrote: »

Offended is really getting to a low bar of what's consider actually offensive these days

Tbh I sometimes have to turn my phone off with the amount that gets relayed back from my brother with all the people he knows! A bit of quality control wouldn’t go astray.

Tilden Katz

Offence archeology is the worst. It's a concerted effort to find shady things in the past of prominent people. I think that's what gets me. I imagine people entering various offensive terms into the twitter search page and searching a long list of twitter profiles until they strike gold.

The worst I've seen recently was Ellie Kemper being called a "KKK princess" because of a debutante ball she was crowned the queen of when she was 19. It was never a secret that she took part in this event. It's been on her Wikipedia page for a long time but suddenly it was a problem. She apparently should have known better than to take part in the ball because the organisation used to segregate the ball, long before she took part in it.

Sonic the Shaghog

The problem is that people and organisations give in to this ****e, once the dam breaks and more and more famous people and companies ignore it and or essentially tell em get ****ed will it change

Do you remember when social media first started and basically anytime someone kicked up on a companies Facebook or Twitter the company would fawn all over them to avoid bad PR? Then next thing every chancer was making big public complaints over trivial ****e to get freebies and now companies have stopped giving in

TomTomTim

Tilden Katz wrote: »

Offence archeology is the worst. It's a concerted effort to find shady things in the past of prominent people. I think that's what gets me. I imagine people entering various offensive terms into the twitter search page and searching a long list of twitter profiles until they strike gold.

The worst I've seen recently was Ellie Kemper being called a "KKK princess" because of a debutante ball she was crowned the queen of when she was 19. It was never a secret that she took part in this event. It's been on her Wikipedia page for a long time but suddenly it was a problem. She apparently should have known better than to take part in the ball because the organisation used to segregate the ball, long before she took part in it.

The worst thing about all of this, is that the people who lead these hunts against others, are incredibly sad individuals, with little going on in their lives. They are usually not mentally well, and often deeply insecure and spiteful. The types of people who get a great kick of out taking anyone down, purely to satisfy themselves. These people should be the last people in society with power, yet they have much of it.

TomTomTim

Sonic the Shaghog wrote: »

The problem is that people and organisations give in to this ****e, once the dam breaks and more and more famous people and companies ignore it and or essentially tell em get ****ed will it change

Do you remember when social media first started and basically anytime someone kicked up on a companies Facebook or Twitter the company would fawn all over them to avoid bad PR? Then next thing every chancer was making big public complaints over trivial ****e to get freebies and now companies have stopped giving in

It's a bit like liability standards. When the standards are high, the chancers don't even try and abuse them system as they know it's pointless, yet when the standards are low, they are trying left, right and centre to sue people for a few quid.

joeguevara

His brother Tommy says it’s typical.

suicide_circus

Can you imagine the sad and pointless life of whatever pathetic rat bastard that informed on him?

Tilden Katz

suicide_circus wrote: »

Can you imagine the sad and pointless life of whatever pathetic rat bastard that informed on him?

That's what gets me. I'm not defending his tweets. But I just can't get over the image of people's twitter accounts being dredged for anything scandalous. It's really sad. There was a time when telling on people wasn't respected. Now, running to teacher is apparently fine.

suicide_circus

These are people who have never worked hard to achieve anything, who create nothing, angry with the hand they were dealt, taking time out if their busy **** schedule to go through old tweets

listermint

Who cares. It's more fuel on the dumpster fire of culture war that the Tories are actually cultivating. Frankly wouldn't be what so ever surprised if it was the Tory party themselves that found the tweets. And people like the usual suspects on here get sucked into it.

The UK have long long list of form in this respect. Always manipulating constant ongoing daily .

10000maniacs

Why don't they go after Bojo himself? He has said a lot worse down through the years. However as a Leeds fan, I disapprove of the Gary Speed tweet.

"All the Young people I know, those under 20 -are just as avaricious as we flinty Thatcherite yuppies of the 1980's in fact, they have an almost Nigerian interest in money and gadgets of all kinds" -Bojo.

Acosta

I don't feel sorry for him and the blow back he's getting. It's one thing saying these things, but writing them down and posting it online is idiocy of the highest order. And of obviously offensive.

That said I'm not really into this whole cancel culture generally. Being an asshole online shouldn't be a career killer for him.

Tilden Katz

listermint wrote: »

Who cares. It's more fuel on the dumpster fire of culture war that the Tories are actually cultivating. Frankly wouldn't be what so ever surprised if it was the Tory party themselves that found the tweets. And people like the usual suspects on here get sucked into it.

The UK have long long list of form in this respect. Always manipulating constant ongoing daily .

You're here, commenting. You're getting as sucked in as anyone else. You can't claim lofty detachment, I'm afraid.

listermint

Tilden Katz wrote: »

You're here, commenting. You're getting as sucked in as anyone else. You can't claim lofty detachment, I'm afraid.

Making one comment does not constitute getting sucked in. #bore. Raging about some people not working and masturbating over the internet to find old tweets is getting sucked on.


Culture war tastic nom nom. Feed me more stuff to enrage me further nom

mcmoustache

Lots of stupidity to go around. There's the cricketer, for being a twit on social media. Then there's his management or whoever handles the non-cricket parts of his career - they should have got him to delete his public teenage ramblings as a matter of routine. Finally there's the ECB who could just as easily have said "This kid tweeted some stupid shít years ago and that he now deeply regrets. Here's a nice picture of him with a puppy".

There's a part of me that despises this modern narcissistic tendency in people who want the whole world to see and hear their stupid shít and maybe stories like this might get people to cop on a bit but at the same time I do feel that the punishment is a bit OTT.

Jerry Attrick

suicide_circus wrote: »

Can you imagine the sad and pointless life of whatever pathetic rat bastard that informed on him?

I saw it suggested somewhere yesterday (it may have been The Times) that it was a BBC jobsworth 'researcher' who ratted on him.

And another English cricker has been discovered to have tweeted something naughty at the tender age of 15. No name has come out yet.

Jerry Attrick

Acosta wrote: »

I don't feel sorry for him and the blow back he's getting. It's one thing saying these things, but writing them down and posting it online is idiocy of the highest order. And of obviously offensive.

That said I'm not really into this whole cancel culture generally. Being an asshole online shouldn't be a career killer for him.

The re-tweets of his that I've seen weren't particularly offensive. Immature and stupid. Nothing like the Paddy Jackson and friends filth.

Jerry Attrick

Jerry Attrick wrote: »

The re-tweets of his that I've seen weren't particularly offensive. Immature and stupid. Nothing like the Paddy Jackson and friends filth.

I was of the same opinion, thought it was a storm in a teacup, but one of the big ones, which hasn't been included in the article above, is:

"I wonder if Asian people write emojis like this ¦-) "

Completely unacceptable, no matter how old he is/was.

TomTomTim

Deleted User wrote: »

I was of the same opinion, thought it was a storm in a teacup, but one of the big ones, which hasn't been included in the article above, is:

"I wonder if Asian people write emojis like this ¦-) "

Completely unacceptable, no matter how old he is/was.

It's really shows that we live in great comfort, when we find such outrage in relatively small things. I remember coming across a Reddit post, about "deeply offensive" terms towards the Irish. I honestly laughed at the majority of them, and would take little offense if any of them were said around me.

If you think making "slanty eyes" jokes about Asian people is a relatively small thing, you're part of the problem.

Tilden Katz

listermint wrote: »

Making one comment does not constitute getting sucked in. #bore. Raging about some people not working and masturbating over the internet to find old tweets is getting sucked on.


Culture war tastic nom nom. Feed me more stuff to enrage me further nom

Sure sure.

10000maniacs

Jerry Attrick wrote: »

I saw it suggested somewhere yesterday (it may have been The Times) that it was a BBC jobsworth 'researcher' who ratted on him.

And another English cricker has been discovered to have tweeted something naughty at the tender age of 15. No name has come out yet.

They are circling around Eoin Morgan now.
Who would have guessed, being Irish and all that.
He appended "Sir" to a few tweets from 5 years ago, and it is apparently racist to use "Sir" in a tweet as of 2021.

Quantum Erasure

Jerry Attrick wrote: »

The re-tweets of his that I've seen weren't particularly offensive. Immature and stupid. Nothing like the Paddy Jackson and friends filth.

What did Jackson say?

Jerry Attrick

10000maniacs wrote: »

They are circling around Eoin Morgan now.
Who would have guessed, being Irish and all that.
He appended "Sir" to a few tweets from 5 years ago, and it is apparently racist to use "Sir" in a tweet as of 2021.

It was gently mocking the courteousness of the Indians.

Similar to using "shure and begorrah" when recounting an Oirish joke.

BattleCorp

Deleted User wrote: »

If you think making "slanty eyes" jokes about Asian people is a relatively small thing, you're part of the problem.

It's hardly crime of the century though, is it?

Gatling

Suppose we better lock up anyone that's told a paddy Irishman joke so

Gatling

Gatling wrote: »

Suppose we better lock up anyone that's told a paddy Irishman joke so

*nervously eyes "One-Liner Jokes" thread*

10000maniacs

10000maniacs wrote: »

They are circling around Eoin Morgan now.
Who would have guessed, being Irish and all that.
He appended "Sir" to a few tweets from 5 years ago, and it is apparently racist to use "Sir" in a tweet as of 2021.

Do they care about this in India, or is it all English PC.

Edit:

So in all his numerous tweets Eoin Morgan once said sir at the end of a sentence to a fellow ( non Indian) player. Both of them play in the Indian league. Unlike the other guy he was famous when he said it and he has plenty of Indian fans. Nobody cared back then.

Gatling

Gatling wrote: »

Suppose we better lock up anyone that's told a paddy Irishman joke so

Naw, you got white privilege innit, mick.

is_that_so

Jerry Attrick wrote: »

It was gently mocking the courteousness of the Indians.

Similar to using "shure and begorrah" when recounting an Oirish joke.

What kind of jokes are you listening to at all, at all? We use sure all the time so not much mocking there.
Recanting teenage stupidity is like being in confession these days. You will be forgiven and be a purer person afterwards.

alchemist33

10000maniacs wrote: »

They are circling around Eoin Morgan now.
Who would have guessed, being Irish and all that.
He appended "Sir" to a few tweets from 5 years ago, and it is apparently racist to use "Sir" in a tweet as of 2021.

Or as he will soon be known in the English media, "former Irish international Eoin Morgan..."

10000maniacs

alchemist33 wrote: »

Or as he will soon be known in the English media, "former Irish international Eoin Morgan..."

I can just imagine the small-talk at a Tory cabinet meeting. "What's an Irishman doing playing for England anyway Boris?.... You have a point there Moggie!"

Bit cynical

Deleted User wrote: »

We really are building an extremely sensitive culture.

I object to the characterisation of our culture as being extremely sensitive.

thestinge

Deleted User wrote: »

I was of the same opinion, thought it was a storm in a teacup, but one of the big ones, which hasn't been included in the article above, is:

"I wonder if Asian people write emojis like this ¦-) "

Completely unacceptable, no matter how old he is/was.

Your post is surely sarcastic? I'm going to assume it is.

Mimon

Buttler and Morgan’s tweets below: Storm in a teacup. They probably shouldn't have tweeted them but they are harmless enough and are impressions of Indian accents/manner of speaking.

I've had similar abroad mocking my Irish accent, I wasn't one bit offended. Looks like people are out to be offended on other people's behalf


"As reported by The Telegraph (London), the ECB is investigating the past tweets from Buttler and Morgan that appeared to have mimicked Indians by tweeting using “Sir”. As per the screenshots, on 09/08/2017, Buttler wrote on Twitter, replying to @AlexHales1, @TrentBridge and @BrettAH26: “Well done on double 100 much beauty batting you are on fire sir”. It was followed by: “I always reply sir no1 else like me like u”. On May 13, 2018 Morgan wrote: “Sir you’re my favourite batsman @josbuttler”;. McCullum quoted that tweet with a post: “@josbuttler Sir, you play very good Opening batting.” "

Jerry Attrick

is_that_so wrote: »

What kind of jokes are you listening to at all, at all?

We use sure all the time so not much mocking there.

Faith and begorrah I'll have to stop watching my old Val Doonican tapes - it's time to get hip by switching to Brendan Grace and Maureen Potter!

(I'll sure miss Delaney's Donkey.)

Jerry Attrick

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

What did Jackson say?

"Not guilty".

1874

Deleted User wrote: »

I was of the same opinion, thought it was a storm in a teacup, but one of the big ones, which hasn't been included in the article above, is:

"I wonder if Asian people write emojis like this ¦-) "

Completely unacceptable, no matter how old he is/was.

Sooo, the guy is 27, I dont know the guy or follow cricket or much thats reported on for these reasons, just ridiculous levels of ridiculous, but the comments he made as a teenager have to be at least 8 years old,
They mostly looked like stupid immature stuff, people change over time,
But Id hardly find them signficantly offensive, as for the slanty eye'd emoji, not particularily nice, bit stupid, but racist??
I'd be inclined to say its ignorant and stupid as an immature young person can be,

Pretty much like your example, not serious enough to justify having his head on a pike really, plus he's older now and apologised, recognises as an adult that it was stupid and wrong.
I consider myself a reasonable person and do not like hearing people insulting others.
but I find the culture of today influenced by social media where people hop on the bandwagon and basically knife other peoples character much nastier and more sinister than anything said here, wrong speak, wrong think next?

TomTomTim

TomTomTim wrote: »

The worst thing about all of this, is that the people who lead these hunts against others, are incredibly sad individuals, with little going on in their lives. They are usually not mentally well, and often deeply insecure and spiteful. The types of people who get a great kick of out taking anyone down, purely to satisfy themselves. These people should be the last people in society with power, yet they have much of it.

See Linda Hayden earlier this year, and previously relentlessly obssesed withPaddy jackson

Hamsterchops

iptba wrote: »

The Culture Secretary (Oliver Dowden) suggested it was ‘over the top’ for England to ban the seamer for tweets he posted in 2012 and 2013.

Well said the culture secretary ✓
Two things, the accused was s teenager at the time, also 'the tweet' was eight or nine years ago!

Leave the fella alone I say. We've all done and said stupid things when we were younger.

Beasty

He has not been "banned". He is suspended from international cricket pending an investigation. There is no presumption of any "guilt" at this stage.

Tyrone212

Who really gives a shyte.

BattleCorp

Beasty wrote: »

He has not been "banned". He is suspended from international cricket pending an investigation. There is no presumption of any "guilt" at this stage.

He's been withdrawn (dropped) from some matches so that, in effect, is a ban before he has been found guilty of anything.

BattleCorp

Tyrone212 wrote: »

Who really gives a shyte.

I give a shyte because I think there's too much of a rush to demonize someone who makes an inappropriate joke or comment years ago when they were a teen and trying to cause them shyte now.