Feed in tariff updates?

reklamos

jeez I would not be able to live with myself if I had to give away that much. Total exported 224kWh and that is since July 2019

Ubbquittious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118021218#Comment_118021218

It's all a racket. It wouldnt surprise me if they coax the regulator into letting them jack up the PSO levy to pay for all the exported solar. With standing charges in excess of 250 quid a year it will be impossible to get your annual bill down to 0 even with a massive solar array. It looks like its going to be very hard to save any actual money in years to come as price increases will just cancel out your gains

All we can do is negate the increases

KCross

Self-consumption... that should be the number one goal.

I'd say the FiT will never be worth anything meaningful.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118021218#Comment_118021218

Big spender, I'd say it'll only cover the fare from Pearse, definitely not from Howth or Malahide 🤣

idc

CRU have published consultation on an interim CEG plan.

https://www.cru.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/CRU21117-CRU-Consultation-Paper-on-Interim-Clean-Export-Guarantee_.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0_reZ1V5T5OatFenzkpzD-2AESOLzVZjOZKLeh64NkLd28i3wwc9te1-E

yankinlk

The paper refers to a NC6 form that must be submitted to ESBN. Is that something my supplier has done? Or is the onus on me to do that?

I'm on the original dial meter with a request in for a day/night meter. I want to run a mile from the smart meter at current scandalous rate offers. It's clear from this paper I won't get FIT or even the "deemed rate" cause I'm actively avoiding a smart meter.

graememk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118051640#Comment_118051640

The nc6 is done by your PV installer, it's a relatively straight forward form where the inverter is listed and an electrician is nominated.

As for making savings from a FIT, the smart rates have to get better/standard rates have to get worse to make it worthwhile. With my usage numbers (practically no day, night rate use was the car) in the summer a smart tariff with a Fit was only marginally better than my day night rate. (Exporting 200kwh+)

In the winter when I'm not exporting anything (ie now) all savings are lost.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118051416#Comment_118051416

Haven't read it yet. Will do later.

Is there anything for non smart metered folk?

graememk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118051697#Comment_118051697

No, Ive only skimmed it, but the standard meters dont report the export.

yankinlk

They mention an interim deemed rate or estimate. But you have to send in the NC6, and install a smart meter... only if you don't qualify for the smart meter will they estimate. but the expectation is that is only a short term solution. Not sure why anyone would not qualify for a smart meter...

KCross

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118051697#Comment_118051697

There is, but only until a smart meter can be installed. They calculate an estimate and a formula is given.

A few examples given where the calculation came out around the 500kWh mark.

No one’s getting rich here but it’s better than nothing.

it’s a consultation paper so give your input, not just on boards.ie!

jkforde

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118051416#Comment_118051416

TLDR.. key point..

"Note that considerations around the introduction of support schemes, including a premium tariff, are a matter for Government and are not addressed in this CRU consultation."

the_amazing_raisin

There's no floor price, it says every supplier just has to supply an export tariff of more than 0c/kWh

Get ready for some 0.1c/kWh export rates 😬

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118051839#Comment_118051839

They'll have to be better. Customers with solar just won't sign up to them if fit is bad

paulbok

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118051874#Comment_118051874

The excess will still export though, then they get it for nothing.

As it stands, the suppliers have us over a barrell.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118051916#Comment_118051916

There are options. Users have the option of diverting their excess elsewhere. Battery, hot water or EV.

DIY battery seems the way to go with the way electric prices are going, coupled with a day/night meter. I've seen some 'smart' plans with crazy unit prices 🙄

Important to obviously get a good price on the original installation too for anyone just starting out.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118051839#Comment_118051839

I'll be adding more batteries, should this be the case

irishchris

Absolutely ridiculous and again only in rip off Ireland. Take France only this month announcing a 0.9c fit. UK for last decade passing a fixed fit. Then Ireland "regulator" decides we can't have that so set your own rate lads just not 0c maybe 0.2c! To me regulator seems in the pocket of utilities and not fit for purpose

graememk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118052338#Comment_118052338

Although I don't think you can get a FIT in the UK anymore.. or it's hard to anyway

We basically follow what the UK do, generally. Why we still cling to the old imperial master (who are a basket case) and not look to Europe is beyond me.

slave1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118051916#Comment_118051916

Even after self use PV folks can limit the export to zero if they really want via Inverter settings, not saying to do it, just saying it's not 100% correct that excess will be exported

yankinlk

The battery filled up today and it started giving energy back so i said feck that and put on a wash

idc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118054478#Comment_118054478

One downside i found was that my inverter only reports what it generates or stores in battery. When I had it accidentally exporting 0. In afternoon when battery full it appeared as though I was only generating say 400w even though it should of been generating 3 or 4 kW!!! My estimated generation was done 15-20% in first 3 months because of that.

buzz11

The Finance Bill 2021 published yesterday includes the following;

Tax treatment of income from micro-generation of electricity

The Bill exempts from tax the first €200 of income arising from the domestic generation of electricity supplied to the grid. This is intended to remove a barrier for entry for those who engage with the Clean Energy Guarantee scheme.

Underwhelming....😕

jkforde

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118059167#Comment_118059167

do you think you'll earn more than €200 per year from the CEG?

jkforde

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118054537#Comment_118054537

then again, every kW you put into the grid offsets some non-renewable kW, potential fuzzy feeling? 🤔😁🤣

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118059272#Comment_118059272

I wonder of you ran an extension lead to the neighbours and they paid for the electricity would it be tax free

I mean, you could charge them 4c/kWh which is cheap for them and probably way more than you'd be getting from export

KCross

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118059167#Comment_118059167

If we were very lucky and got 5c/kWh for our export, the €200 would equate to 4000kWh's of exported electricity.... if you re exporting that much you have the wrong system installed!

In reality, FiT will be worth <€100/yr for most people, so the €200 is fine.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118059280#Comment_118059280

The part that I find quite annoying is the idea that you're effectively supplying your neighbours with electricity for free and they're still paying for it 

When you FIT comes in, you'll be selling electricity to the grid for 1c and they'll be buying it for close to 20c. So 19c profit to the supplier for doing nothing

And let's not forget a chunk of that is grid charges to pay for bringing the electricity all of 20 metres

Unless your nearest neighbour is on another island, it doesn't exactly take much grid infrastructure to bring the power to them

I get that we want a high quality grid, but there really should be some consideration for the fact that most generators are traditionally several kilometres from their customers and required large scale infrastructure installed