Gardaí swoop halting site in north Dublin READ NOTE IN OP

Jeremy Sproket

A dozen Gardaí swoop a halting site in Clarehall with little or no prior warning according to a local resident of the site. A building was knocked and cars were removed from the premises.

There were a number of Garda vans too.

Why was several Garda vans and 12 Gardaí deployed? Is that amount of force necessary to combat ordinary civillians?

Either way, it's great to see the Gardaí tackle organised crime and what is presumably theft of cars or car components.
I wonder is the €ash 4 Cars (sic) linked to this?

Apologies for the link to the rag.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/clarehall-halting-site-jcb-tow-20621988



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ohnonotgmail

Why was several Garda vans and 12 Gardaí deployed?

Because only a really stupid garda would go in there on their own.

Is that amount of force necessary to combat ordinary civillians?

No.

kildare lad

Jeremy Sproket wrote: »

Why was several Garda vans and 12 Gardaí deployed? Is that amount of force necessary to combat ordinary civillians?


https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/clarehall-halting-site-jcb-tow-20621988

You can't be serious ?? In which case using your vast experience in policing , how many gardai should they gave sent to safely deal with the situation ...

On a separate note, they could have been selling them junk buckets to young lads for a couple of hundred euro , they'd be then joyrided for a few days , which has the potential to end in tragedy as it did a year or two ago .

guy2231

Fair play to the guards on this one, they're usaully too scared to go near any halting sites it's about time they start raiding more of them.

MeMen2_MoRi_

Jeremy Sproket wrote: »

A dozen Gardaí swoop a halting site in Clarehall with little or no prior warning according to a local resident of the site. A building was knocked and cars were removed from the premises.

There were a number of Garda vans too.

Why was several Garda vans and 12 Gardaí deployed? Is that amount of force necessary to combat ordinary civillians?

Either way, it's great to see the Gardaí tackle organised crime and what is presumably theft of cars or car components.
I wonder is the €ash 4 Cars (sic) linked to this?

Apologies for the link to the rag.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/clarehall-halting-site-jcb-tow-20621988

I'm confused, you start by saying they're "ordinary citizens" then you welcome the crack down on "organised crime"..

McMurphy

Jeremy Sproket wrote: »

Why was several Garda vans and 12 Gardaí deployed? Is that amount of force necessary to combat ordinary civillians?

That bit, and this bit....

Either way, it's great to see the Gardaí tackle organised crime and what is presumably theft of cars or car components.

Doesnotcompute.

elperello

AGS obviously acting on intelligence.

Number of Garda deployed is an operational decision.

A good days work.

Lillyfae

Jeremy Sproket wrote: »

Why was several Garda vans and 12 Gardaí deployed? Is that amount of force necessary to combat ordinary civillians?

But they're not ordinary citizens, they're an ethnic minority.

Normal One

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Nothing happened.

Strumms

The OP is critical of the number of Gardai, perhaps they can inform us as to what qualifies them to be critical of decisions made by law enforcement experts as they carry out their duties ? And what number of Gardai was appropriate, given also we don’t know how many people were there and the threat that would have existed ?

They used the term, ordinary ‘civilians’ ..

They are not...

They are organized criminals with connections to drug dealing and violence and as such an organized and well numbered response would be appropriate to ensure the safety of each Garda.

Thelonious Monk

Just up the road from me. I used to go to the same gym as one of the residents there, scary f*cker, ended up riddled full of bullets and found frozen in a ditch. Full of wronguns that site. Will the media ever admit that they're just one big crime family that hold their women as prisoners. I doubt it.

Floppybits

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Just up the road from me. I used to go to the same gym as one of the residents there, scary f*cker, ended up riddled full of bullets and found frozen in a ditch. Full of wronguns that site. Will the media ever admit that they're just one big crime family that hold their women as prisoners. I doubt it.

Trained in the same gym. I remember he got shot going in the door of the gym one day. But was he not from the halting site further up the road towards the m1/m50 roundabout. This is the smaller site there at clarehall shopping centre.

Thelonious Monk

Floppybits wrote: »

Trained in the same gym. I remember he got shot going in the door of the gym one day. But was he not from the halting site further up the road towards the m1/m50 roundabout. This is the smaller site there at clarehall shopping centre.

Ah I thought he was from that one. Yeah he used to wear a bullet proof vest coming out of gym. He was involved in a horrible crime where he beat some man half to death in a pub so I had no sympathy for him.

The One Doctor

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Just up the road from me. I used to go to the same gym as one of the residents there, scary f*cker, ended up riddled full of bullets and found frozen in a ditch. Full of wronguns that site. Will the media ever admit that they're just one big crime family that hold their women as prisoners. I doubt it.

Don't most travellers hold their women as prisoners? I shudder to think what teenage girls go through on a halting site.

Baggly

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BattleCorp

This may surprise the OP but the Gardai aren't there to give whoever they are arresting 'a fair fight'.

Go in with overwhelming force of numbers and you are less likely to face violent resistence.

I'd have no problem with 100 Gardai going in to arrest one person if it meant that all the Gardai got to go home uninjured at the end of their shift.

nullzero

Policing body combats crime, not surprising.

That the criminals in this instance are part of an ethnic minority is of no significance, they are being arrested for being criminals not for being travellers.

IngazZagni

Only a day after the Guards visited the Dunsink site (yet again!) over it being used as an illegal dumping facility.

People pay these folks to remove their household goods and are told they'll be recycled but in reality they're just dumped on council land.

As for the Clarehall site, you can see on satellite View on Google maps the shear level of waste and abandoned cars on the site. A different world.

More great work by AGS.

WrenBoy

BattleCorp wrote: »

This may surprise the OP but the Gardai aren't there to give whoever they are arresting 'a fair fight'.

Go in with overwhelming force of numbers and you are less likely to face violent resistence.

I'd have no problem with 100 Gardai going in to arrest one person if it meant that all the Gardai got to go home uninjured at the end of their shift.

Not very sporting though is it ? :pac:

whisky_galore

IngazZagni wrote: »

Only a day after the Guards visited the Dunsink site (yet again!) over it being used as an illegal dumping facility.

People pay these folks to remove their household goods and are told they'll be recycled but in reality they're just dumped on council land.

As for the Clarehall site, you can see on satellite View on Google maps the shear level of waste and abandoned cars on the site. A different world.

Maybe if these people weren't so fcukin tight and disposed of their rubbish responsibly?

elperello

whisky_galore wrote: »

Maybe if these people weren't so fcukin tight and disposed of their rubbish responsibly?

It's an offence under The Litter Act to engage someone who is not a registered contractor under the Act to dispose of your rubbish.

More of this please Guards. Great to see and restores my faith somewhat in the force.

BattleCorp

elperello wrote: »

It's an offence under The Litter Act to engage someone who is not a registered contractor under the Act to dispose of your rubbish.

And it's an even bigger crime to operate a waste collection service without being licenced to do so and it's also illegal to dump it on Council land.

Whatever way you view it, if there is a pile of sh1te dumped on a halting site, it's the travellers who are to blame for it.

whisky_galore

whisky_galore wrote: »

Maybe if these people weren't so fcukin tight and disposed of their rubbish responsibly?

Exactly, people who employ these 'waste collectors' are well aware that the rubbish is being dumped, they dont care because it is cheap.

BattleCorp

BattleCorp wrote: »

Whatever way you view it, if there is a pile of sh1te dumped on a halting site, it's the travellers who are to blame for it.

This tired old trope.

BattleCorp

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

This tired old trope.

It's not a tired, old trope. It's a fact. Who else is dumping the rubbish on halting sites?

Yeah, there's the joke that it's settled people, Amish etc. but the fact is that if sh1t is dumped on the halting site, it's the travellers who are doing the dumping.

Or feel free to correct me if you think it's any different.

BattleCorp

BattleCorp wrote: »

It's not a tired, old trope. It's a fact. Who else is dumping the rubbish on halting sites?

Yeah, there's the joke that it's settled people, Amish etc. but the fact is that if sh1t is dumped on the halting site, it's the travellers who are doing the dumping.

Or feel free to correct me if you think it's any different.

Do you really expect me to believe people would dump other peoples rubbish, on their own property?
Not buying it. Its settled people dumping their rubbish

ahnowbrowncow

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

Do you really expect me to believe people would dump other peoples rubbish, on their own property?
Not buying it. Its settled people dumping their rubbish

Yeah because that's what settled people do, dump their rubbish on the property of people with a culture of fist fighting and are known for taking weapons to funerals and weddings. What could possibly go wrong?

And where do the travellers dispose of their rubbish? They don't use waste collection services and certainly aren't known for using the local waste and recycling plants. They also don't leave sites they visit in pristine condition.

It's almost as if the most blatant and obvious answer is the correct answer. But no, it's someone else's fault.

nullzero

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

Do you really expect me to believe people would dump other peoples rubbish, on their own property?
Not buying it. Its settled people dumping their rubbish

Prove it then.

Should we conclude that settled people are dumping rubbish in every halting site in Ireland then?

Quite a grand conspiracy, not even travellers are claiming it.

Akrasia

An awful lot of dehumanizing of travelers going on on here. The Gardai should have no issue with calling to a traveler household to make enquirers.There is not a big track record of Gardai being attacked while entering these areas and they tend to visit them very regularly

All criminal activity should be investigated by the Gardai regardless of who is responsible, as part of normal policing operations. If armed criminals are involved then the ARU should be involved, if it’s organized crime the cAB should get involved

The criminals should prosecuted for their crimes whether or not they’re travellers

Akrasia

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

Do you really expect me to believe people would dump other peoples rubbish, on their own property?
Not buying it. Its settled people dumping their rubbish

Some travellers get some ‘settled people’ to pay them to take their rubbish away. The ‘Settled person’ knows its being dumped somewhere, traveller knows someone else will clean it up. They’re both as bad as each other

Also, some travellers like to recover valuable parts from waste, so they will strip parts from recyclable goods and leave the non recyclable parts ‘somewhere’ this is a way for them to make some income, again, knowing that they won’t have to pay to clean up the mess. It’s a scummy thing up do, but every company and household offloads their waste somewhere. Entire countries ship lots of their waste abroad knowing that it will just be burned or dumped somewhere

The core problem is the wasteful manufacturing processes. Tinkers’ used to be able to support themselves by recycling metals. That can’t be done anymore because goods are not made to be recycled, and few producers are properly accounting for end of life recycling, most are falsely claiming that their waste is certifiably recycled while in reality they’re just getting dumped somewhere else

JP Liz V1

CAB seizures?

Akrasia

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

CAB seizures?

Criminal Assets Bureau

Duke O Smiley

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

CAB seizures?

No, if you pass that site today you'll notice that all of the cars have been returned and the family are back in situ.

The site was cleared to allow for some derelict buildings on the site to be demolished. Allegedly the family would not agree to let the council in to do it.

Duke O Smiley

I think the OP has gotten a bit confused. There was a separate raid on a site very nearby yesterday evening, however the story linked above isn't related to that whatsoever.

BattleCorp

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

Do you really expect me to believe people would dump other peoples rubbish, on their own property?
Not buying it. Its settled people dumping their rubbish

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

Purple is a Fruit

I don't buy that people outside of the halting site would dump their rubbish there. I think folk would keep away and not bother those living in the halting site.

McMurphy wrote: »

That bit, and this bit....
Doesnotcompute.

Think he's comparing the two scenarios (asking if it would be the same in other situations) rather than contradicting himself.