French Open 2021

carbsy

Floppybits wrote: »

Kvitova has pulled out with an ankle injury. Monfils through now as well. Sad to see Tsonga go out last night in front of a handful of people.

Yeah. Legend Tsonga. Came from 2 sets down to beat Federer a few years ago in slam. He's not the same since latest injury. Great entertainer!

Floppybits

carbsy wrote: »

Yeah. Legend Tsonga. Came from 2 sets down to beat Federer a few years ago in slam. He's not the same since latest injury. Great entertainer!

36 now. The commentator last night was saying how bad it was that Tsonga probably played his last match at Roland Garos in front of a handful of people thought he deserved better.

HeidiHeidi

Anyone know tuning details for ITV4 on Sky???
I had it tuned in, but must have changed lately....

carbsy

Floppybits wrote: »

36 now. The commentator last night was saying how bad it was that Tsonga probably played his last match at Roland Garos in front of a handful of people thought he deserved better.

I didn't see it but yes. He deffo deserved better than that.

carbsy

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Anyone know tuning details for ITV4 on Sky???
I had it tuned in, but must have changed lately....

10714 HSR
22000FEC
5/6Modulation
DVB-S QPSK

It changed a few weeks ago....

HeidiHeidi

carbsy wrote: »

10714 HSR
22000FEC
5/6Modulation
DVB-S QPSK

It changed a few weeks ago....

Googling furiously, I got it on slightly different codes....


10891
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DVB-S
5/6
QPSK


Thanks!

yerwanthere123

Mad the traction this Osaka story has got. The tennis threads on here are always pretty quiet, even during grand slam time, but most of the discussion on here has been about Osaka who played one match!

HeidiHeidi

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

Mad the traction this Osaka story has got. The tennis threads on here are always pretty quiet, even during grand slam time, but most of the discussion on here has been about Osaka who played one match!

I was wondering would it ever get back to the actual tennis!

Augme

So Kvitova injured at her post match press conference and now has to withdraw. Given the week that is in it, that's a pretty freak thing to happen!

hawley

Naomi Osaka will serve as co-chair for the return of the Met Gala, which returns Sept. 13 - the Monday after the US Open final - after a year's hiatus. Formally known as the Costume Institute Gala at New York’s Metropolitan Museum of Art, the Met Gala is one of, if not the, most glamorous and star-studded party on the celebrity calendar.

"Gen-Z superstars Timothée Chalamet, Billie Eilish, Naomi Osaka and Amanda Gorman will serve as co-chairs, while Tom Ford, Adam Mosseri, and Anna Wintour comprise the evening’s honorary chairs," wrote Vogue in the announcement. "They may be young, but each of the night’s co-hosts has made their mark on fashion.
https://www.wtatennis.com/news/2128219/fashion-forward-naomi-osaka-to-co-chair-met-gala

It must be awful to suffer from social anxiety!

MisterAnarchy

Floppybits wrote: »

Kvitova has pulled out with an ankle injury. Monfils through now as well. Sad to see Tsonga go out last night in front of a handful of people.

Why are the night time attendances so poor ?
I caught some of the Tsipitas match on Sunday and there was literally nobody at it.

Ffs Osaka is a millennial flake.

Can't expect to pocket an annual $50 million in sponsorship and not answer a few trite questions after a match.

She brought this on herself by the manner that she went about things (childishly unilaterally just announcing that she was going to not do media question duties on social media) and subsequently didn't engage with the organisers even though they tried several times to contact her. (before the fine).

Then she picks up her ball and runs home with it.

Now the focus will be on her forevermore due to this.

The puke-inducing virtue signalling going on in the aftermath is a joke and the French Open are totally the bad guys here apparently.

The Americans in general have no love lost for the French so not surprising which side that media has landed on.

Nevermind the fact that she is shyte on clay anyways and has never been past the third round at RG.

Would she have pulled this stunt at the US Open? - no I would say.

It's a "powerful lesson in emotional intelligence" according to Inc

https://www.inc.com/justin-bariso/tennis-superstar-naomi-osaka-made-a-shocking-announcement-yesterday-it-may-have-saved-her-life.html

Brussels Sprout

klr87 wrote: »

I couldn't quite figure out how someone can handle playing matches on the biggest stages (where every shot could be a mistake), but not interviews (where many questions can be batted away with stock answers, once you learn the art*).

As an introvert with social anxiety myself I can tell you that it's all a matter of comfort and confidence. For example, I have given speeches in front of hundreds of people and been fine because I was doing something where I basically had a script and was confident in my ability to perform. In contrast, I would get massive anxiety if I had to go into a room of strangers at say, a party and had to mingle with them for an evening.

Osaka is a world class tennis player and is probably "in the zone" when she is on the court. It's something that she has been doing all of her life and is likely second nature to her at this stage. It's quite possible that she is so focused on her game that she doesn't even think about the crowd of the cameras watching her matches.

In contrast to that, she likely is not comfortable public speaking - which is basically what a press conference is (except magnified to an extreme level, if you start thinking about all of the potential thousands or even millions of people listening to your words behind the mics and cameras).

As to why she does not use the suggested tactic of giving non-answers as a defense mechanism - who knows? That's a low-level, cynical tactic but it's so rampant across all sport that nobody even notices anymore. The rare time that someone says something honest or interesting is the exception. She's still relatively young and seems a bit naïve. Perhaps she has been trying to give earnest answers and completely draining herself/giving herself anxiety in the process since she's clearly an introvert*.


*For people who are extroverts this is all probably doubly incomprehensible and perhaps explains some of the venomous posts in this thread. The best description I have heard of the difference between them is that introverts recharge their batteries on their own and extroverts recharge their batteries around others. Introverts can of course go out and socialise like anyone else but they often find it draining and need some time on their own (or with people close to them) afterwards. Add to that that these are not binary states but more of a spectrum. It's quite possible that Osaka is a more extreme introvert than most introverts.

Augme

Osaka is a very easy target to pick on. She's a very young women. Its no surprise most of the people criticizing her so harshly are men as well.

Highlights the problems and difficulty when it comes to mental health and the lack of education there is around these issues. And the aggressive bile people open themselves up to when discussing their issues.

Plenty of sports stars have had to deal with the issues Osaka faces, and plenty of them used drugs and alcohol to cope. Andre Agassi biography was a fantastic read and insight. So was Paul McGrath's and hearing him speak on other issues. I remember he talked about how fearful he waa being an analyst for a match in rte and how John Giles had to help him through because he froze. Put that man on a football pitch and he was a rock. It's amazing how it can impact people in certain situations.

Augme

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Why are the night time attendances so poor ?
I caught some of the Tsipitas match on Sunday and there was literally nobody at it.

There's a 10pm (9pm our time) covid curfew in Paris.

Augme

Great chance for Popyrin to take the set and he chokes it.

Floppybits

Augme wrote: »

Great chance for Popyrin to take the set and he chokes it.

That was the end of the match right there. No coming back from that

MisterAnarchy

Augme wrote: »

Osaka is a very easy target to pick on. She's a very young women. Its no surprise most of the people criticizing her so harshly are men as well.

Highlights the problems and difficulty when it comes to mental health and the lack of education there is around these issues. And the aggressive bile people open themselves up to when discussing their issues.

Yes plenty of tennis players had to deal with real genuine anxiety issues throughtout the history of tennis and I didn't see any of them trying a stunt like Osaka.

Did Monica Seles refuse to do interviews after being stabbed on court ?
Did Robin Soderling who suffered from mononuclueosis and anxiety attacks for over 9 years refuse to do interviews ?
What about Petra Kvitova who was also stabbed ?
I could go on and on.

Mental health and anxiety/ stress is a very serious issue and it should never be belittled but certain people are weaponising it as a tool for alterior motives.

Thats why people are critical of Osakas behaviour, its disengenuous.

Floppybits

Fair play to Popyrin hanging in this set. Thought it was over when he lost that game when he had 3 set points.

Augme

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Yes plenty of tennis players had to deal with real genuine anxiety issues throughtout the history of tennis and I didn't see any of them trying a stunt like Osaka.

Did Monica Seles refuse to do interviews after being stabbed on court ?
Did Robin Soderling who suffered from mononuclueosis and anxiety attacks for over 9 years refuse to do interviews ?
What about Petra Kvitova who was also stabbed ?
I could go on and on.

Mental health and anxiety/ stress is a very serious issue and it should never be belittled but certain people are weaponising it as a tool for alterior motives.

Thats why people are critical of Osakas behaviour, its disengenuous.

Why would people refuse to do interviews after being stabbed? I fail to see how that is relevant.

I'm sure Soderlin didn't refuse because he felt he couldn't, and he probably couldn't afford to either.

I do wonder why anyone would want to force people to do these things if they find them difficult.

The reality is you've no idea if it is disengenious. You are just guessing.

whiterebel

Some people should read her statement and go and give their heads a shake. I just hope none of you ever get to suffer from it, you'll see just what horrible beings people can be.

MisterAnarchy

Augme wrote: »

Why would people refuse to do interviews after being stabbed? I fail to see how that is relevant.

I'm sure Soderlin didn't refuse because he felt he couldn't, and he probably couldn't afford to either.

I do wonder why anyone would want to force people to do these things if they find them difficult.

The reality is you've no idea if it is disengenious. You are just guessing.

Why did she not mention her issues before ?
If she indeed has social anxiety and depression for 3 years, why not use the WTA mental health support ?
Why not quietly try to avoid pressers using medical reasons ?

Instead she arrogantly tried to pull a stunt.
She shamelessly used mental health issues to gain sympathy on social media for the sole reason she didnt want to face questions about her performance on clay.

Now that she realises that her social media world is an empty bubble and that actual people (her peers) and organisations (ITF, Slams) are not going to bend to her whims, she bails .
She flies back to LA and issues a fake statement to make her look like a martyr.

She is extremely shrewd at advertising herself and Brand Osaka.
Her social awkwardness feels more like a brand image.
For a socially awkward person she sure does a lot of non-tennis related interviews and gigs.

Augme

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Why did she not mention her issues before ?
If she indeed has social anxiety and depression for 3 years, why not use the WTA mental health support ?
Why not quietly try to avoid pressers using medical reasons ?

Instead she arrogantly tried to pull a stunt.
She shamelessly used mental health issues to gain sympathy on social media for the sole reason she didnt want to face questions about her performance on clay.

Now that she realises that her social media world is an empty bubble and that actual people (her peers) and organisations (ITF, Slams) are not going to bend to her whims, she bails .
She flies back to LA and issues a fake statement to make her look like a martyr.

She is extremely shrewd at advertising herself and Brand Osaka.
Her social awkwardness feels more like a brand image.
For a socially awkward person she sure does a lot of non-tennis related interviews and gigs.

Why did she not mention her issues before? Look, is that joke? Maybe have a read of this thread and hopefully the penny night drop for you in that one.

The rest of your post is just a fairly silly rant. You genuinely seem quite bitter about this. Social awkwardness is just a brand image, ffs. Do you actual read what you post? It's embarassing. You sound like one of those snowflakes on social media tbh.

Joe_ Public

Great to see CSN back, that backhand is just a thing of beauty. Good start against Sloane here.

MisterAnarchy

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Yes plenty of tennis players had to deal with real genuine anxiety issues throughtout the history of tennis and I didn't see any of them trying a stunt like Osaka.

Did Monica Seles refuse to do interviews after being stabbed on court ?
Did Robin Soderling who suffered from mononuclueosis and anxiety attacks for over 9 years refuse to do interviews ?
What about Petra Kvitova who was also stabbed ?
I could go on and on.

Mental health and anxiety/ stress is a very serious issue and it should never be belittled but certain people are weaponising it as a tool for alterior motives.

Thats why people are critical of Osakas behaviour, its disengenuous.

And yet here you are.

alan partridge aha

Coco Gauff seems as likeable as Serena.

klr87

If Carla is going to beat Sloane, she'll probably have to do it in straight sets. She's currently leading 6-3, 1-1.

MisterAnarchy

Augme wrote: »

You sound like one of those snowflakes on social media tbh.

Oh the irony

Podge_irl

There is no need to infantilise people suffering from these issues either. Neither party has handled this very well - no matter how you feel, you can not just announce off hand at the last minute that you won't be completing your contractual obligations and get a free pass. The French Open clearly over-reacted also.

Also, no matter how much or how little fans of the sport care about the press conferences (and this is pretty universal across all sports I think), those paying for everything do care about them.

klr87

Carla fell just short in the end against Sloane, who woke up just as the match was almost lost. Very nearly a fairytale comeback, but not to be.

Meanwhile, Djokovic is trundling along against Sandgren in the "official" night match.