She has a name

Pussyhands

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0525/1223803-major-general-maureen-obrien/

Headline reads on RTE website: "Woman appointed to 2nd highest rank in Defence Forces"

I think it's rather sad that one of the country's main proponents for supposed egalitarianism, RTE, whittles this woman down to, not her achievements or ambitions, but her gender.

"hey everyone, a woman got the job!" is how this reads when it should read "hey everyone, Maureen O'Brien who's been in the force for X years and served on X missions has been appointed to the role"

Could they not have lead with her name and alluded to the fact she was the first ever woman appointed to the post?

Nozebleed

im sure there was a better candidate.

Peintre Celebre

Wouldn't be a news headline if she wasnt a woman in fairness. Some people are so sensitive.

bigroad

It's all Pro woman now anyway so even if she got the job through hard work and / experience ,no one will believe it.

jackboy

Pussyhands wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0525/1223803-major-general-maureen-obrien/

Headline reads on RTE website: "Woman appointed to 2nd highest rank in Defence Forces"

I think it's rather sad that one of the country's main proponents for supposed egalitarianism, RTE, whittles this woman down to, not her achievements or ambitions, but her gender.

"hey everyone, a woman got the job!" is how this reads when it should read "hey everyone, Maureen O'Brien who's been in the force for X years and served on X missions has been appointed to the role"

Could they not have lead with her name and alluded to the fact she was the first ever woman appointed to the post?

Did you not hear her speech? She was pushing the gender thing.. Then Simon Coveney saying there are lots of tasks that women can do that men can’t, such as looking after sexual abuse victims. The whole thing from start to finish was puke inducing.

Gatling

Bet she's getting less than your man who was there before her

LessOutragePlz

Forgive me for not being outraged.

nullzero

Gatling wrote: »

Bet she's getting less than your man who was there before her

The only reason she got the job, they only have to pay her half as much.

Peintre Celebre

Gatling wrote: »

Bet she's getting less than your man who was there before her

Not sure if this is being tongue in cheek or simply moronic

Timberrrrrrrr

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Forgive me for not being outraged.

Username fits

SEPT 23 1989

Her hair looked lovely on the news

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Her hair looked lovely on the news

Of course, they all have lovely hair...

Hamsterchops

Pussyhands wrote: »

She has a name

Maureen.

Real Donald Trump

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Maureen.

Galway Girl

Donald Trump

Fake Donald up above. Don't mind him.





Anyway, I'm sure they all have lovely bottoms.

nullzero

Donald Trump wrote: »

Fake Donald up above. Don't mind him.





Anyway, I'm sure they all have lovely bottoms.

Bigly, lovely bottoms. Tremendous bottoms.

TP_CM

Pussyhands wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0525/1223803-major-general-maureen-obrien/

Could they not have lead with her name and alluded to the fact she was the first ever woman appointed to the post?

I think that would ignore one of the main points of the article which is that she is female. It's incredibly hard for a female to rise to that level in that line of work. Sure, we can ignore that if we want and document things as if women and men are equal, but to do so would be to completely ignore reality - which is that right now women and men don't progress equally in organisations such as the army. We might not like that fact but changing what is reported doesn't change what's really happening.

RTE are constantly running with a section now called "Racism in Ireland".

Dyr

In fairness, its only the army so its not like tokenist promotions matter, you don't really get binman strikes any more

Big Gerry

Shes looks like a harmless Granny.

Homelander

Not sure I get this. The news is in the fact that she's the first woman ever to reach that position in the Defence Forces. Her gender is literally the news angle.

The story clarifies the situation and really doesn't "reduce her to her gender". News headlines have to be short and to the point and basically capture what the "news" is. In this case the story is that she's the first woman to achieve this position.

I mean, it's not a gendered thing. People are very regularly referred to as man or woman with news of historic or quirky firsts, unless the person in question is already famous or quite well known.

In fact on the contrary, your suggestion that it should have been "Maureen O'Brien gets X role" as a headline, then clarity given in the story "Oh by the way, she's the first woman to ever achieve this position, so this is a historic day" is a bit silly and does a disservice to it.

Gen.Zhukov

That guy that dumped Dee Forbes, has a lot to answer for.

Raphael Picard

"She has also led the Defence Forces Communications and Information Technology unit, which plays a vital role in defending Ireland against cyber attacks."

Phew. I'm glad Major General Maureen O'Brien has played such a vital role in protecting us against ... oh, wait.

Montage of Feck

How many men has she killed?

Panthro

Big Gerry wrote: »

Shes looks like a harmless Granny.

A granny with the keys to our gigantic collection of nukes....

We got nukes, right?...

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Big Gerry wrote: »

Shes looks like a harmless Granny.

They always do, Gerry. They always do.

John Doe1

If she was a man, there would not even be a headline. Her gender is fairly pertinent to the story.....

TP_CM

Panthro wrote: »

A granny with the keys to our gigantic collection of nukes....

We got nukes, right?...

I think we have some fireworks and a grenade.

Allinall

jackboy wrote: »

Did you not hear her speech? She was pushing the gender thing.. Then Simon Coveney saying there are lots of tasks that women can do that men can’t, such as looking after sexual abuse victims. The whole thing from start to finish was puke inducing.

I sincerely hope you're ok after your experience.

There are people out there that can help you, so don't be afraid to reach out.

stoneill

Montage of Feck wrote: »

How many men has she killed?

After tours in Chad, East Timor and Syria, I'd say there is a good chance that if push came to shove, she would have no hesitation in killing someone if necessary.

I'm almost as shocked as the army lads there's a sailor in charge of the defence forces.

is_that_so

Pussyhands wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0525/1223803-major-general-maureen-obrien/

Headline reads on RTE website: "Woman appointed to 2nd highest rank in Defence Forces"

I think it's rather sad that one of the country's main proponents for supposed egalitarianism, RTE, whittles this woman down to, not her achievements or ambitions, but her gender.

"hey everyone, a woman got the job!" is how this reads when it should read "hey everyone, Maureen O'Brien who's been in the force for X years and served on X missions has been appointed to the role"

Could they not have lead with her name and alluded to the fact she was the first ever woman appointed to the post?

Major General Maureen O'Brien is more of a mouthful than first woman. Headlines aim to persuade you to read a piece or in some cases foam at the mouth.

biko

Identity politics at work in RTE newsroom.

Lemon Davis lll

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Her hair looked lovely on the news

It clearly dyed in action

whisky_galore

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

I'm almost as shocked as the army lads there's a sailor in charge of the defence forces.

I hear the naval service do training in the Curragh...is there a canal up there that practice in?

Feisar

Who else thought this was going to be about a black woman that got shot by the police somewhere?

Midlife crisis man

Her name is Roberta Paulson

Her name is Roberta Paulson

Her name is Roberta Paulson

TP_CM

I just realised the title of this thread is fairly ironic actually.

B.A._Baracus

There's no big deal op.
I get what you are saying, but it's all about making people click into an article. Especially knowing that they have limited amount of characters in the article title on mobiles. So what would intrigue people more, saying her name (which no one knew before yesterday) or saying "first woman..."

WrenBoy

Woman gets important leadership role, feminists upset about it anyway ... and we move on :pac:

padd b1975

Montage of Feck wrote: »

How many men has she killed?

Something tells me men aren't her thing.

whisky_galore

whisky_galore wrote: »

I hear the naval service do training in the Curragh...is there a canal up there that practice in?

I think they put their warships on a truck, and put them in the pond outside Kildare Village shopping centre.

Donald Trump

There was a woman in a place where I used to work and we only found out after a few years that her real name wasn't actually "sugar tits". Her birth cert name was actually "Mary"


Although why her parents had insisted on bringing her up as "sugar tits" is beyond me.


Then again, they were from Offaly

Fann Linn

Pussyhands wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0525/1223803-major-general-maureen-obrien/

Headline reads on RTE website: "Woman appointed to 2nd highest rank in Defence Forces"

I think it's rather sad that one of the country's main proponents for supposed egalitarianism, RTE, whittles this woman down to, not her achievements or ambitions, but her gender.

"hey everyone, a woman got the job!" is how this reads when it should read "hey everyone, Maureen O'Brien who's been in the force for X years and served on X missions has been appointed to the role"

Could they not have lead with her name and alluded to the fact she was the first ever woman appointed to the post?

Says PussyHandsðŸ˜႒ðŸ˜႒ðŸ˜႒

Stovepipe

TP_CM wrote: »

I think that would ignore one of the main points of the article which is that she is female. It's incredibly hard for a female to rise to that level in that line of work. Sure, we can ignore that if we want and document things as if women and men are equal, but to do so would be to completely ignore reality - which is that right now women and men don't progress equally in organisations such as the army. We might not like that fact but changing what is reported doesn't change what's really happening.

Proportionally fewer women go for ANY job in the PDF,not just cadetships and they are less likely to stick it out to get to the top. Every job in the DF is open to women, unlike in many foreign armies that will not allow them to even compete for a particular job. Every year, recruiters go out to all the schools and give career guidance talks to all students and every year, the female uptake is woeful. If a woman passes a cadetship and take sup a post and then stays in it, she is at the tip of a very long line of people who considered it, maybe even tried it and ultimately dropped out.

rightmove

Got the jab there. Pissing rain outside. Lots of people telling you where to park and checking bits and pieces. Then you get inside where its warm and dry. All the people outside in the rain and the misery were men/boys and all the people doing same job inside were women. The stations and details taking had a mix of gender but I was struck how the men and the boys were exclusively left to do the outside stuff and the women/girls got the nicer posts inside from the pissing rain and wind.

I probably wouldnt have noticed or cared a few years ago but with the daily pain in the hole of media agenda setting it was something I noticed for a change. The women suffer more except all the ones I know.

TP_CM

Stovepipe wrote: »

Proportionally fewer women go for ANY job in the PDF,not just cadetships and they are less likely to stick it out to get to the top. Every job in the DF is open to women, unlike in many foreign armies that will not allow them to even compete for a particular job. Every year, recruiters go out to all the schools and give career guidance talks to all students and every year, the female uptake is woeful. If a woman passes a cadetship and take sup a post and then stays in it, she is at the tip of a very long line of people who considered it, maybe even tried it and ultimately dropped out.

That's sort of what I'm saying. It's a difficult organisation for women to join/progress in for whatever reason (it doesn't really matter why - Physical demands/laddish culture/Boys club), which is why it's part of the headline.

I never meant to imply there's someone at the door trying to keep them out - that stuff is snapped up by media immediately these days.

BorneTobyWilde

She's been well drilled and will do a great job.