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Ryder Cup 2020 [Official Thread!]

  • 24-05-2021 10:58pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 19,570 ✭✭✭✭ Rikand


    Getting ever closer to the Ryder Cup taking place in Whistling Straits in September after it being postponed last year due to Covid. I thought it would be a good idea to start a thread tracking the progress of those in the running to make the teams for Europe and the USA ahead of the competition.


    Europe first of all -

    To qualify, Europe take the top 4 from the European Points List and the top 5 players from the World Points list who are not already qualified from the European List. Captain Padraig has 3 wildcard picks to make after that.

    A direct copy of my post from the Shane Lowry Thread...

    European Points List (top 4 from this automatically qualify)
    Rank|Player|Points
    1|Jon RAHM|5,185.82
    2|Tommy FLEETWOOD|4,911.26
    3|Tyrrell HATTON|4,860.56
    4|Rory MCILROY|3,975.19
    5|Victor PEREZ|3,676.75
    6|Matthew FITZPATRICK|2,940.90
    7|Bernd WIESBERGER|2,742.13
    8|Paul CASEY|2,679.16
    9|Robert MACINTYRE|2,665.57
    10|Danny WILLETT|2,318.39
    11|Matthias SCHWAB|2,262.97
    12|Lee WESTWOOD|2,220.65
    13|Justin ROSE|2,120.95
    14|Shane LOWRY|1,864.31


    World Points List (top 5 from this automatically qualify outside of those 4 qualified from above)
    Rank|Player|Points
    1|Jon RAHM|378.78
    2|Rory MCILROY|344.97
    3|Tyrrell HATTON|269.02
    4|Viktor HOVLAND|241.40
    5|Paul CASEY|227.31
    6|Lee WESTWOOD|226.98
    7|Tommy FLEETWOOD|203.60
    8|Matthew FITZPATRICK|200.36
    9|Victor PEREZ|187.37
    10|Shane LOWRY|154.09
    11|Justin ROSE|132.38
    12|Robert MACINTYRE|128.94
    13|Danny WILLETT|123.46
    14|Sergio GARCIA|115.58
    15|Bernd WIESBERGER|101.62
    16|Matt WALLACE|101.49


    Blue are those who are qualifying as it stands from the European Points List. Green are those who are qualifying as it stands from the World Points List.


    Bernd Wiesberger the highest points scorer on the European Points list not already qualified, so if Padraig is going to take at least one more player from that list, then he is in pole position.

    Shane Lowry the highest points scorer on the World Points list not already qualified, so if Padraig is going to take at least one more player from the world points list, then he is in pole position.

    After that for the final pick, who the feck knows lol but Justin Rose or Sergio Garcia I would think the most likely given their previous Ryder Cup records and I think he will favour someone with experience to make up the final spot over a rookie such as MacIntyre, especially playing in the US.
    He recently spoke about Garcia's pedigree in the Ryder Cup and of his record and said if Sergio was in need of a pick, he felt he would have to pick him based on his experience.



    USA next

    To qualify, the USA take the top 6 players from their Ryder Cup rankings and Captain Steve Stricker will have 6 wildcard picks to make from the rest.

    How the top 20 of this list is looking right now...

    American Ryder Cup Points List(top 6 from this automatically qualify)
    Rank|Player|Points
    1|Dustin Johnson|16,119.15
    2|Bryson DeChambeau|14,753.06
    3|Justin Thomas|13,958.61
    4|Brooks Koepka|12,989.09
    5|Collin Morikawa|11,874.77
    6|Xander Schauffele|11,291.19
    7|Patrick Reed|9,791.99
    8|Tony Finau|9,517.26
    9|Daniel Berger|8,920.26
    10|Webb Simpson|8,745.29
    11|Jordan Spieth|8,040.25
    12|Billy Horschel|7,730.22
    13|Patrick Cantlay|7,298.73
    14|Harris English|6,737.28
    15|Scottie Scheffler|6,733.24
    16|Phil Mickelson|6,575.57
    17|Sam Burns|6,065.23
    18|Will Zalatoris|5,911.85
    19|Max Homa|5,763.78
    20|Jason Kokrak|5,556.45


    The top 6 are well out in front at the moment but the remaining 6 picks could come from anywhere. Patrick Reed is surely a shoe in with his previous record. Tony Finau and Jordan Spieth will also no doubt get a pick. After that he could look at Billy Horschel and Scottie Scheffler who contended the final of the World Matchplay.

    And who after that. Would Daniel berger in 9th miss out ? Or should he bring Phil with all his experience or maybe even Will Zalatoris. If anything having 6 picks could prove even trickier than just having 3


    It will be interesting to see how this plays out throughout the summer, particularly with 2 more majors to go which could affect the points heavily one way or the other
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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,150 ✭✭✭✭ LuckyGent88


    This thread my now be the best place to post this.

    https://twitter.com/rjwinfield/status/1396999787266940928?s=21

    The distain he has for Bryson is glorious. Should make for a great atmosphere in the American team room!! Throw in Reed, mickelson, Speith and maybe even Billy Ho and they building could explode.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,570 ✭✭✭✭ Rikand


    Wiesberger after making serious inroads on the european points list. He has moved up to 6th courtesy of his 920 points earned today and is only 14 points behind Victor Perez.

    The 24 world ranking points he has earned are doubled for the qualifying and move him from 15th up to 11th, where he will only be 5 points behind Lowry.

    McIntyre moved bugger all.

    Be interesting to see if Garcia and Poulter can do anything to boost their rankings after today, though it looks like Sergio has **** the bed early doors


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,580 ✭✭✭✭ PARlance


    Poulter made some serious "Ryder Cup" putts on his final few holes. T3 will do him no harm.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,570 ✭✭✭✭ Rikand


    Europe


    European Points List (top 4 from this automatically qualify)
    Rank|Player|Points
    1|Jon RAHM|5,185.82
    2|Tommy FLEETWOOD|4,911.26
    3|Tyrrell HATTON|4,860.56
    4|Rory MCILROY|3,975.19
    5|Victor PEREZ|3,676.75
    6|Bernd WIESBERGER|3,662.13
    7|Matthew FITZPATRICK|2,940.90
    8|Robert MACINTYRE|2,705.17
    9|Paul CASEY|2,679.16
    10|Guido MIGLIOZZI|2,456.22
    11|Matthias SCHWAB|2,368.41
    12|Danny WILLETT|2,318.39
    13|Lee WESTWOOD|2,220.65
    14|Justin ROSE|2,120.95
    15|Shane LOWRY|1,864.31


    World Points List (top 5 from this automatically qualify outside of those 4 qualified from above)
    Rank|Player|Points
    1|Jon RAHM|378.78
    2|Rory MCILROY|344.97
    3|Tyrrell HATTON|269.02
    4|Viktor HOVLAND|241.40
    5|Paul CASEY|227.31
    6|Lee WESTWOOD|226.98
    7|Tommy FLEETWOOD|203.60
    8|Matthew FITZPATRICK|200.36
    9|Victor PEREZ|187.37
    10|Shane LOWRY|154.09
    11|Bernd WIESBERGER|149.62
    12|Justin ROSE|138.65
    13|Robert MACINTYRE|128.94
    14|Danny WILLETT|123.46
    15|Sergio GARCIA|121.85
    16|Guido MIGLIOZZI|105.37
    17|Ian POULTER|104.31
    18|Matt WALLACE|101.49



    USA


    American Ryder Cup Points List(top 6 from this automatically qualify)
    Rank|Player|Points
    1|Dustin Johnson|16,119.15
    2|Bryson DeChambeau|14,753.06
    3|Justin Thomas|13,958.61
    4|Brooks Koepka|12,989.09
    5|Collin Morikawa|11,874.77
    6|Xander Schauffele|11,291.19
    7|Patrick Reed|9,791.99
    8|Tony Finau|9,517.26
    9|Jordan Spieth|9,266.50
    10|Daniel Berger|9,022.92
    11|Webb Simpson|8,745.29
    12|Billy Horschel|7,774.66
    13|Jason Kokrak|7,581.45
    14|Patrick Cantlay|7,298.73
    15|Harris English|6,737.28
    16|Scottie Scheffler|6,733.24
    17|Phil Mickelson|6,575.57
    18|Sam Burns|6,065.23
    19|Will Zalatoris|5,937.17
    20|Max Homa|5,763.78


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,136 ✭✭✭ Dr. Bre


    Has Casey ever played Ryder cup ?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,570 ✭✭✭✭ Rikand


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    Has Casey ever played Ryder cup ?

    -edit-

    I was wrong, he played more than twice. Played four times. I should have checked his wiki lol :D


    Ryder Cup (representing Europe): 2004 (winners), 2006 (winners), 2008, 2018 (winners)

    And should have been picked in 2010 when he was world ranked number 9 at the time but Monty favoured others


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,136 ✭✭✭ Dr. Bre


    Rikand wrote: »
    -edit-

    I was wrong, he played more than twice. Played four times. I should have checked his wiki lol :D


    Ryder Cup (representing Europe): 2004 (winners), 2006 (winners), 2008, 2018 (winners)

    And should have been picked in 2010 when he was world ranked number 9 at the time but Monty favoured others

    Mad! I can’t remember him playing any and I prob watched all those Ryder cups


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,855 ✭✭✭✭ callaway92


    Doesn’t he have a Hole In One at one? (May have been K Club)


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,570 ✭✭✭✭ Rikand


    callaway92 wrote: »
    Doesn’t he have a Hole In One at one? (May have been K Club)

    Yep and he won his match with it. It was in foursomes or fourball


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,064 ✭✭✭ MarcusP12


    Rikand wrote: »
    -edit-

    I was wrong, he played more than twice. Played four times. I should have checked his wiki lol :D


    Ryder Cup (representing Europe): 2004 (winners), 2006 (winners), 2008, 2018 (winners)

    And should have been picked in 2010 when he was world ranked number 9 at the time but Monty favoured others

    Didn't he also forego his European tour membership in favour of the PGA knowing he'd be ineligible for the Ryder cup meaning he missed a couple he might of otherwise qualified for? i think they relaxed the rules a bit since then for ET membership when it was clear Rory wouldn't be able to comply?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,570 ✭✭✭✭ Rikand


    Europe


    European Points List (top 4 from this automatically qualify)
    Rank|Player|Points
    1|Jon RAHM|5,185.82
    2|Tommy FLEETWOOD|4,911.26
    3|Tyrrell HATTON|4,860.56
    4|Rory MCILROY|3,975.19
    5|Bernd WIESBERGER|3,687.73
    6|Victor PEREZ|3,676.75
    7|Matthew FITZPATRICK|2,940.90
    8|Paul CASEY|2,819.16
    9|Robert MACINTYRE|2,705.17
    10|Guido MIGLIOZZI|2,456.22
    11|Matthias SCHWAB|2,389.21
    12|Danny WILLETT|2,318.39
    13|Lee WESTWOOD|2,220.65
    14|Justin ROSE|2,120.95
    15|Shane LOWRY|1,864.31


    World Points List (top 5 from this automatically qualify outside of those 4 qualified from above)
    Rank|Player|Points
    1|Jon RAHM|378.78
    2|Rory MCILROY|353.77
    3|Tyrrell HATTON|269.02
    4|Viktor HOVLAND|245.06
    5|Paul CASEY|236.91
    6|Lee WESTWOOD|226.98
    7|Tommy FLEETWOOD|203.60
    8|Matthew FITZPATRICK|200.36
    9|Victor PEREZ|187.37
    10|Shane LOWRY|178.57
    11|Bernd WIESBERGER|149.62
    12|Justin ROSE|138.65
    13|Danny WILLETT|129.92
    14|Robert MACINTYRE|128.94
    15|Sergio GARCIA|121.85
    16|Guido MIGLIOZZI|105.37
    17|Ian POULTER|104.31
    18|Matt WALLACE|101.49

    Wiesberger moves into 5th on the European Points list. Lowry moves ever closer to Perez on the World Points list. Apart from one or two switches of placings, everyone else remains the same



    USA


    American Ryder Cup Points List(top 6 from this automatically qualify)
    Rank|Player|Points
    1|Dustin Johnson|16,119.15
    2|Bryson DeChambeau|14,919.07
    3|Justin Thomas|14,052.57
    4|Collin Morikawa|13,583.76
    5|Brooks Koepka|12,989.09
    6|Xander Schauffele|11,629.48
    7|Patrick Reed|10,363.94
    8|Patrick Cantlay|9,809.73
    9|Tony Finau|9,699.57
    10|Jordan Spieth|9,432.51
    11|Daniel Berger|9,022.92
    12|Webb Simpson|8,745.29
    13|Billy Horschel|7,804.10
    14|Scottie Scheffler|7,695.79
    15|Jason Kokrak|7,581.45
    16|Harris English|6,737.28
    17|Phil Mickelson|6,575.57
    18|Max Homa|6,234.59
    19|Sam Burns|6,100.24
    20|Will Zalatoris|5,937.17

    Cantlay the big mover this week, moving up to 8th and closer to the automatic spots. Top 6 remain unchanged apart from Morikawa jumping over Koepka


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,098 Mod ✭✭✭✭ slave1


    Some US team on paper


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,570 ✭✭✭✭ Rikand


    Yeah, so John Rahm is never going to be caught on the European Points List and probably the World Points list. Rest of the top 9 is still as you were. Shane missed out on a good opportunity to get up into the top 9, Migliozzi made some big inroads on both lists to put himself in the frame for automatic promotion.

    Europe


    European Points List (top 4 from this automatically qualify)
    Rank|Player|Points
    1|Jon RAHM|8,515.82
    2|Tommy FLEETWOOD|4,999.26
    3|Tyrrell HATTON|4,860.56
    4|Rory MCILROY|4,417.85
    5|Bernd WIESBERGER|3,687.73
    6|Victor PEREZ|3,676.75
    7|Guido MIGLIOZZI|3,305.54
    8|Paul CASEY|3,261.82
    9|Matthew FITZPATRICK|3,014.90
    10|Robert MACINTYRE|2,853.17
    11|Matthias SCHWAB|2,389.21
    12|Lee WESTWOOD|2,326.65
    13|Danny WILLETT|2,318.39
    14|Justin ROSE|2,120.95
    15|Shane LOWRY|1,912.31


    World Points List (top 5 from this automatically qualify outside of those 4 qualified from above)
    Rank|Player|Points
    1|Jon RAHM|578.78
    2|Rory MCILROY|383.11
    3|Tyrrell HATTON|293.34
    4|Paul CASEY|266.25
    5|Viktor HOVLAND|245.06
    6|Lee WESTWOOD|232.48
    7|Matthew FITZPATRICK|213.76
    8|Tommy FLEETWOOD|210.94
    9|Victor PEREZ|187.37
    10|Shane LOWRY|181.57
    11|Guido MIGLIOZZI|154.70
    12|Bernd WIESBERGER|149.62
    13|Justin ROSE|138.65
    14|Robert MACINTYRE|136.54
    15|Sergio GARCIA|134.36
    16|Danny WILLETT|129.92
    17|Ian POULTER|114.55
    18|Matt WALLACE|101.49
    19|Rafa CABRERA BELLO|101.27



    USA


    American Ryder Cup Points List(top 6 from this automatically qualify)
    Rank|Player|Points
    1|Dustin Johnson|16,635.42
    2|Bryson DeChambeau|15,094.95
    3|Collin Morikawa|14,580.11
    4|Justin Thomas|14,303.29
    5|Brooks Koepka|13,985.44
    6|Xander Schauffele|12,243.27
    7|Patrick Reed|10,614.67
    8|Patrick Cantlay|10,164.29
    9|Tony Finau|9,699.57
    10|Jordan Spieth|9,683.23
    11|Daniel Berger|9,636.70
    12|Webb Simpson|8,745.29
    13|Harris English|8,584.33
    14|Scottie Scheffler|8,309.57
    15|Billy Horschel|7,804.10
    16|Jason Kokrak|7,581.45
    17|Phil Mickelson|6,624.19

    Yanks unchanged pretty much - Top 6 have extended their advantage over the field more or less


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,898 ✭✭✭ Deeper Blue


    The US team is tough to predict when they've got the 6 picks

    I suspect Cantlay and Spieth are locks

    Reed probably should be but will they want his toxicity in the locker room?

    Finau seems to be in poor form

    Will they take a chance on Mickelson?

    Lots of interesting possibilities


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,570 ✭✭✭✭ Rikand


    Gotta be a concern for Harrington that even with double points on offer, a lot of his hopeful big names arent making a play to reach out and grab automatic promotion. Even a pick. Rose, Garcia, Poulter for example are all well outside the mark, although Poulter is playing alright. Perez has played 4 tournaments in the last 12 weeks and missed the cut in all of them, yet he still hangs onto the final qualifying spot. It's almost like nobody wants it


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,570 ✭✭✭✭ Rikand


    The US team is tough to predict when they've got the 6 picks

    I suspect Cantlay and Spieth are locks

    Reed probably should be but will they want his toxicity in the locker room?

    Finau seems to be in poor form

    Will they take a chance on Mickelson?

    Lots of interesting possibilities

    He will pick Reed for his previous ryder cup pedigree
    Spieth and Cantlay are locks as you said.
    Scheffler and Horschel played the final of the world matchplay and would have to be considered. Especially Horschel who said it was a lifes ambition to play Ryder Cup. He wants it bad.
    Mickleson might have to give something extra between now and the finish to get a pick


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,898 ✭✭✭ Deeper Blue


    Rikand wrote: »
    He will pick Reed for his previous ryder cup pedigree
    Spieth and Cantlay are locks as you said.
    Scheffler and Horschel played the final of the world matchplay and would have to be considered. Especially Horschel who said it was a lifes ambition to play Ryder Cup. He wants it bad.
    Mickleson might have to give something extra between now and the finish to get a pick

    Ya I can't see Reed not being on the team myself unless his form falls of a cliff completely

    Phil may need another high finish or two alright I think

    For some reason I can see him picking Scheffler over Horschel with "planning for the future" being the reason given. Can't see both making the team.

    Another interesting one is Zalatoris. He's still not actually a PGA tour member as far as I know. If that's the case I don't know if he can actually play which is mental.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,898 ✭✭✭ Deeper Blue


    Rikand wrote: »
    Gotta be a concern for Harrington that even with double points on offer, a lot of his hopeful big names arent making a play to reach out and grab automatic promotion. Even a pick. Rose, Garcia, Poulter for example are all well outside the mark, although Poulter is playing alright. Perez has played 4 tournaments in the last 12 weeks and missed the cut in all of them, yet he still hangs onto the final qualifying spot. It's almost like nobody wants it

    Perez will surely fall out of the automatic places with the way he's going, and there's zero chance of him getting a pick I'd imagine.

    As you say the form of many of the top Europeans is a worry. Fleetwood is another that hasn't shown much recently.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,774 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Keano


    A Ryder Cup team without Stenson or Rose will be very strange


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,820 ✭✭✭✭ Mantis Toboggan


    Keano wrote: »
    A Ryder Cup team without Stenson or Rose will be very strange

    And Frankie Molinari


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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,570 ✭✭✭✭ Rikand


    Garcia will not be going to the Olympics so he can concentrate on making the Ryder Cup team. Still needs to show some form though


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭ monkeybutter


    The American team always looks amazing on paper, yet egos always get in the way


    its like Cobra Kai golf, reminds me of Schauffeles dad making him throw second place medals in the bin when they get home


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,346 ✭✭✭ Speak Now


    Rikand wrote: »
    Garcia will not be going to the Olympics so he can concentrate on making the Ryder Cup team. Still needs to show some form though

    Hatton pulled out as well, I think Casey is next in line.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,898 ✭✭✭ Deeper Blue


    Speak Now wrote: »
    Hatton pulled out as well, I think Casey is next in line.


    Casey and Fleetwood confirmed for England


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,136 ✭✭✭ Dr. Bre


    Casey and Fleetwood confirmed for England

    It’s coming home


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,346 ✭✭✭ Speak Now


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    It’s coming home

    Just the 2 guys you can rely on when the pressure is on during the back 9 :D


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,774 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Keano


    GMac and Kaymer vice captains


  • Registered Users Posts: 734 ✭✭✭ Pdoghue


    Keano wrote: »
    GMac and Kaymer vice captains

    So leaving it open for Garcia, Rose, Westwood, Stenson, Poulter to play..

    I see Harro has paired himself with Wiesberger (and Louis) this week in Munich.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,570 ✭✭✭✭ Rikand


    Pdoghue wrote: »
    So leaving it open for Garcia, Rose, Westwood, Stenson, Poulter to play..

    I see Harro has paired himself with Wiesberger (and Louis) this week in Munich.

    He has sent Kaymer out to watch Garcia and Hovland


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,941 ✭✭✭ krustydoyle


    Hovland secures his place this afternoon when winning the BMW International


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