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GIRO D'ITALIA - STAGE 16 SACILE-CORTINA D’AMPEZZO

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    #122
    Coneygree
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    Surely Bernal goes for the Vuelta. There's probably someone way back decades ago but he'd have to be up there with the youngest guy to ever win the 3 GTs if he went and won. Contador was 25 IIRC and he could beat that.


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    #123
    Tim76
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    Mefistofelino wrote: »
    I think those jeans are cutting off his circulation.

    There has been some amount of peacocking going on when himself and Adam Blythe are on the couch. It’s like something out of Zoolander. Poor Orla can’t compete with their magnificence.


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    #124
    Mefistofelino
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    Tim76 wrote: »
    There has been some amount of peacocking going on when himself and Adam Blythe are on the couch. It’s like something out of Zoolander. Poor Orla can’t compete with their magnificence.

    Not a pair of socks between the three of them either.

    Sean, meantime, continues to champion the "sensible" fleece.


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    #125
    Dodge
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    Coneygree wrote: »
    Surely Bernal goes for the Vuelta. There's probably someone way back decades ago but he'd have to be up there with the youngest guy to ever win the 3 GTs if he went and won. Contador was 25 IIRC and he could beat that.

    Ineos have a lot of GC mouths to feed. It already be earmarked for one of the others


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    #126
    velo.2010
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    Suggestions that RCS and RAI, between them, effectively decided to shorten the stage to have at least some live coverage between the two mountain passes that remained. Cortina paid big money to have the finish, so that explains why the final descent was not removed.

    There's always some jiggery pokery at the Giro.


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    #127
    TheBlaaMan
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    Insane Watts...... that's his average for the whole day


    https://twitter.com/deceuninck_qst/status/1396893786685550600?s=19


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    #128
    velo.2010
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    TheBlaaMan wrote: »
    Insane Watts...... that's his average for the whole day


    https://twitter.com/deceuninck_qst/status/1396893786685550600?s=19

    Normalised power for the day. His average power would have been lower. Still a torturous day in the saddle even with the missing climbs.


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    #129
    Dr. Bre
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    How pointless is the white jersey comp in all the grand tours. It’s been won by the overall tour winners recently . Time to reduce the age eligible for it or get rid


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    #130
    Dr. Bre
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    Coneygree wrote: »
    Surely Bernal goes for the Vuelta. There's probably someone way back decades ago but he'd have to be up there with the youngest guy to ever win the 3 GTs if he went and won. Contador was 25 IIRC and he could beat that.

    He should go for the tour . He’s not breaking sweat here


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    #131
    dastardly00
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    A video taken by a fan showing the riders reaching the summit of the Passo Giau in one and twos.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVGosJYLtJU


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    #132
    dastardly00
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    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    He should go for the tour . He’s not breaking sweat here

    Geraint Thomas & Richard Carapaz wouldn't be too happy with that though...


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    #133
    retalivity
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    dastardly00 wrote: »
    Geraint Thomas & Richard Carapaz wouldn't be too happy with that though...

    Isnt the other Yates going as well?


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    #134
    Coneygree
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    dastardly00 wrote: »
    Geraint Thomas & Richard Carapaz wouldn't be too happy with that though...

    Their team looks outrageous. Add TGH, Richie Porte and Adam Yates to those two as well as guys like De Plus and Kwiat who will probably finish in the top 25-30 as well. I always thought Astana 09 took the piss but this might be more ridiculous, on paper at least.


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    #135
    dastardly00
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    retalivity wrote: »
    Isnt the other Yates going as well?

    Good question. I was going by ProCyclingStats who have him listed for the Vuelta but not the Tour


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    #136
    TheBlaaMan
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    dastardly00 wrote: »
    A video taken by a fan showing the riders reaching the summit of the Passo Giau in one and twos.


    :cool:
    "there's Quickstep........................oops, no, sorry........you didnt see anything "

    Brilliant


    Also a few clips here of Bernal going over the Giau KOM and a few seconds on the descent off it




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    #137
    neris
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    https://twitter.com/mrconde/status/1397092670107959299?s=19


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    #138
    Macy0161
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    I wouldn't have the Giro field that bad - add back in Landa and Buchmann on top of Yates, Carthy and Dan. Biggest question for me remains because this is the second time he's benefitted from shortened stages (I don't think he'd have won that Tour without it). EF had burned off most of the Skineos domestiques by the foot of the final climb - if they'd managed that with two climbs to go it may have been a different ballgame.
    dastardly00 wrote: »
    Good question. I was going by ProCyclingStats who have him listed for the Vuelta but not the Tour
    He's targeting the Vuelta.


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    #139
    Daroxtar
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    Macy0161 wrote: »
    I wouldn't have the Giro field that bad - add back in Landa and Buchmann on top of Yates, Carthy and Dan. Biggest question for me remains because this is the second time he's benefitted from shortened stages (I don't think he'd have won that Tour without it). EF had burned off most of the Skineos domestiques by the foot of the final climb - if they'd managed that with two climbs to go it may have been a different ballgame.

    He didnt benefit from a shortened stage yesterday. If the stage was longer, EF would have waited longer to drive things on. He's a Colombian from 2000m+ above sea level. Hugh Carthy is from Preston. Yates is fro Bury, hardly the Altiplano. They might be great at 1000-1500m but if they did Fedia and Pordoi the only man who'd have been comfortable was Bernal. He just rode away once they went up to 2000m, the only reason Bardet gained time was because Egan took it fairly handy on the descent. He could have put another couple of minutes into the GC if they'd been pushing hard on earlier slopes.


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    #140
    Dodge
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    Daroxtar wrote: »
    He didnt benefit from a shortened stage yesterday. If the stage was longer, EF would have waited longer to drive things on. He's a Colombian from 2000m+ above sea level. Hugh Carthy is from Preston. Yates is fro Bury, hardly the Altiplano. They might be great at 1000-1500m but if they did Fedia and Pordoi the only man who'd have been comfortable was Bernal. He just rode away once they went up to 2000m, the only reason Bardet gained time was because Egan took it fairly handy on the descent. He could have put another couple of minutes into the GC if they'd been pushing hard on earlier slopes.

    I think the same is true of his Tour stage. He went into yellow that day but I think he’d have out even more time into them. It robbed him of a stage win too.


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    #141
    Macy0161
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    You can't be definitive on altitude having a negative effect on them - plenty of "non altitude natives" have performed ok at that altitude. I'd go as far as say most climbers do - it's more notable for the people that struggle like Valverde. Also, altitude is one thing, how about his back injury?

    I guess the overriding point is we'll never know either this Giro or his Tour win. Both have a question mark for me in the same way as people slagging off the field this year (or last year).


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    #142
    Daroxtar
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    He's just confirmed his back is still bothering him and he's not riding the Tour as he wants to focus on the Vuelta.
    https://twitter.com/Copedaleando/status/1397156977315356673?s=20


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    #143
    Macy0161
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    Daroxtar wrote: »
    He just rode away once they went up to 2000m, the only reason Bardet gained time was because Egan took it fairly handy on the descent.
    Just coming back to this, Bardet is well known as a descender (iirc the descent that Dan and Porte crashed on was supposedly included for his benefit). Also, Bardet on disc brakes, Bernal on rim...


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    #144
    fryup
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    is eurosport only on sky? can i get it FTA?


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    #145
    Macy0161
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    Subscription TV, or Subscription App - Eurosport Player (multisport) or GCN+ for just the cycling (plus documentaries and shows).

    S4C have the Giro, no idea whether it's all in welsh though (TG4 have the Tour live in Irish, but use the English language highlights). I think Quest have highlights too and are FTA?


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    #146
    Itziger
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    Macy0161 wrote: »
    You can't be definitive on altitude having a negative effect on them - plenty of "non altitude natives" have performed ok at that altitude. I'd go as far as say most climbers do - it's more notable for the people that struggle like Valverde. Also, altitude is one thing, how about his back injury?

    I guess the overriding point is we'll never know either this Giro or his Tour win. Both have a question mark for me in the same way as people slagging off the field this year (or last year).

    I've always had a disliking for Sky, but I'm calling bull$hit on the question mark there. The best climber by quite a bit with a strong team would probably have been in more control rather than less. And lots of 3 week races have had little tweaks and changes over the years. Sounds little begrudgery, tbh.


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    #147
    [Deleted User]
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    You can watch quest on their website or the D+ app I think it's called. You need an account but a free one will allow you to watch the channels live. They show highlights of some races like the Giro.

    Wasn't there talk of a deal between Discovery and VM to show some racing? Likely the Tour package of ASO races ITV show.
    fryup wrote: »
    is eurosport only on sky? can i get it FTA?


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    #148
    retalivity
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    Friday's stage has been cut as well, was supposed to go up the mountain where the cable car crash was last weekend, its now been bypassed


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    #149
    DonegalBay
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    Macy0161 wrote: »
    You can't be definitive on altitude having a negative effect on them - plenty of "non altitude natives" have performed ok at that altitude. I'd go as far as say most climbers do - it's more notable for the people that struggle like Valverde. Also, altitude is one thing, how about his back injury?

    I guess the overriding point is we'll never know either this Giro or his Tour win. Both have a question mark for me in the same way as people slagging off the field this year (or last year).

    What ever about his Tour win, to say there is a question mark over this Giro is nonsense. He is clearly the strongest and if anything, probably was more of a loss for Bernal to have the stage cut. This is not the 84 Giro when Moser, a so-so climber benefited from having the queen mountain stage cancelled as it would have benefited his main rival Fignon more. If Bernal falters in the final days, then you could possibly question it, but don't think that will happen.


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    #150
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    retalivity wrote: »
    Friday's stage has been cut as well, was supposed to go up the mountain where the cable car crash was last weekend, its now been bypassed

    Not really much you can say against that decision. Terrible tragedy, 14 dead last I saw. 100% the right call from the organisers.

    Detail of the charges here https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/giro-ditalia-stage-19-rerouted-after-tragic-cable-car-crash-at-mottarone-mountain/


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    #151
    Macy0161
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    DonegalBay wrote: »
    What ever about his Tour win, to say there is a question mark over this Giro is nonsense. He is clearly the strongest and if anything, probably was more of a loss for Bernal to have the stage cut. This is not the 84 Giro when Moser, a so-so climber benefited from having the queen mountain stage cancelled as it would have benefited his main rival Fignon more. If Bernal falters in the final days, then you could possibly question it, but don't think that will happen.
    Just a different opinion. It's not just about his climbing ability, but also his injury. But it's alright to diss the field last year, and not throw out there that (assuming he wins) Bernal won't have won a full grand tour? It's the multiple high mountains days that are key. Admittedly, at least the rest of the field knew this one would be shortened ahead of the call (again, couldn't be helped in the circumstances, but at the Tour it wasn't treated as the final climb of the day by the rest of the GC contenders).


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