Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

Rebelbrowser

rogber wrote: »

Am also in Berlin and I can tell you the rollout here is disastrous. The portal for booking appoointments has been malfunctioning for weeks, from 7th June it's a total free for all, anyone from 12 to 80 can battle for an appointment. Everyone I know who's getting vaccinated is relying on word of mouth recommendation of GPs who have extra stock, mostly of Astra. Irish system at least follows logic and you know when it's your turn

Once again we uber organised Irish triumph over those disorganised, devil may care, Germans!

iamwhoiam

rogber wrote: »

Am also in Berlin and I can tell you the rollout here is disastrous. The portal for booking appoointments has been malfunctioning for weeks, from 7th June it's a total free for all, anyone from 12 to 80 can battle for an appointment. Everyone I know who's getting vaccinated is relying on word of mouth recommendation of GPs who have extra stock, mostly of Astra. Irish system at least follows logic and you know when it's your turn

The astonishing bit about my friends in Berlin is that his two sons are vaccinated because they work with public or something and he ( age71) is waiting for weeks now and only got a date for June 10th . Thats a full two months after over 70’s in my family here in Dublin
He said the rollout is shocking and no logic at all to it

Fann Linn

rogber wrote: »

Am also in Berlin and I can tell you the rollout here is disastrous. The portal for booking appoointments has been malfunctioning for weeks, from 7th June it's a total free for all, anyone from 12 to 80 can battle for an appointment. Everyone I know who's getting vaccinated is relying on word of mouth recommendation of GPs who have extra stock, mostly of Astra. Irish system at least follows logic and you know when it's your turn

Same in Holland. All my family have at least 1 jab, the two sisters in the UK are fully vaccinated, and the sister in Holland still has heard nothing. She's 55.

ACitizenErased

My brother lives in Germany, GPs are making it impossible for people to qualify, it’s all wink-wink stuff. Vaccine hesitancy is also sky high.

Lumen

astrofool wrote: »

I didn't say we were behind, I guessed that if the numbers were updated we would be within a couple of percentage points of everybody else, we don't have the latest data so we don't know, we do have data from 23rd May which shows us right on track, there's no reason to think we have regressed since then as we never have before.

Latest figures are that we're at 2.7m doses (54 doses/100).

Germany are at 45.1m doses in 83m pop, or 54.35 doses / 100 pop.

https://www.thejournal.ie/new-vaccine-target-5452696-May2021/

https://qap.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#distribution-tab

ZX7R

alrightjack89 wrote: »

Poland is the same, no one cares anymore. Vulnerable have got it and people have moved on, we have big national lottery now and all kind of incentives in local towns and villages to get it, people are laughing they will get new Volkswagen's in future if they hold out.

We had a local mayor try to force mandatory vaccination on a full town and he was almost lynched for doing it, all kind of doctors spoke out that there is no proof previous covid infected even need a vaccine and wanted medical debates with the mayor, but he declined and he gave in on mandatory vaccination.

Poland is very anti government right now and government are being far too pushy with the vaccines for many people's liking which is playing into anti-vaxxers hands

There has been a large uptake in the 20 to 30 age bracket since the introduction of the travel certificate.
Still just over 20 million have received at least their first dose.
Surprisingly for me it's the over 60s who are most likely not to avail of vaccination
Walk in vaccination centres seem to be be getting a better influx of people wanting vaccination rather than age based with was originally used.
My wife's uncle sadly died from covid two weeks ago.
He refused to get a vaccination before Christmas. Thankfully a lot of his siblings and elderly in the village change there view on vaccinations and attended the walk in vac centre.

Strazdas

iamwhoiam wrote: »

The astonishing bit about my friends in Berlin is that his two sons are vaccinated because they work with public or something and he ( age71) is waiting for weeks now and only got a date for June 10th . Thats a full two months after over 70’s in my family here in Dublin
He said the rollout is shocking and no logic at all to it

Which is surprising. You would expect the German authorities to conduct this with the utmost efficiency - it sounds like strategic mistakes have been made with the rollout.

One possible explanation is that it is a federal state and does not have a central government, with the 16 "Länder" (regions) competing against each other.

iamwhoiam

Strazdas wrote: »

Which is surprising. You would expect the German authorities to conduct this with the utmost efficiency - it sounds like strategic mistakes have been made with the rollout.

One possible explanation is that it is a federal state and does not have a central government, with the 16 "Länder" (regions) competing against each other.

Very surprised myself . I lived in Berlin and it was incredibly organised and efficient in my day . Maybe they got bogged down in bureaucracy , they do bureaucracy very well !!

skimpydoo

Marine Layer wrote: »

I've a compromised immune system too, the only thing I'd say is no one in that position will be the same
Look closer at how you've reacted to infections so far or flu's
You've got 14 months into this intact
Worst comes to worse this pandemics affects on people like us will be hobbled by the overwhelming amount of people taking the vaccine

I have had 14 months into this intact because I have been mostly shielding since March 2020. I finished my medical treatment on December 2019 and after 3 years of various operations and treatment including chemo I was looking forward to 2020 becoming a good year for me. Sadly at the moment going out and doing what I used to do is a pipe dream.

As regards flu's etc i never got it last year as living alone I am around nobody else and I was hardly out and about. I have had it in previous years and when I started my chemo it would take me 6 weeks to shake off the flu even when I had the flu jab.

Necro

Thread cleaned up, misinformation removed along with responses and poster banned. As you were folks!

Lillyfae

Fann Linn wrote: »

Same in Holland. All my family have at least 1 jab, the two sisters in the UK are fully vaccinated, and the sister in Holland still has heard nothing. She's 55.

She can log in to https://coronatest.nl/ and register for her vaccination. 42 and 43 year olds are being invited to register today. The call for 55 year olds to register was about two weeks ago: [url] https://www.rivm.nl/nieuws/mensen-geboren-in-1965-uitgenodigd-voor-coronavaccinatie?fbclid=IwAR0buJ1AkEbvnHPWl3-h22R1RVSk61HPm71T9u7SlaFAhKyHi87GSmnZJL0[/url]

Micky 32

Just a reminder for a Sunday eve:

https://twitter.com/laoneill111/status/1399067579629588486?s=21

rogber

Rebelbrowser wrote: »

Once again we uber organised Irish triumph over those disorganised, devil may care, Germans!

Actually yes the Irish system is far more organised. Okay, the younger you are, the longer you wait and I understand that's annoying for some, but that's better than having 50, 60, 70 year olds who can't get an appointment, as is the case here.

rogber

Strazdas wrote: »

Which is surprising. You would expect the German authorities to conduct this with the utmost efficiency - it sounds like strategic mistakes have been made with the rollout.

One possible explanation is that it is a federal state and does not have a central government, with the 16 "Länder" (regions) competing against each other.

The airport was roughly a decade late in opening and it still has problems.
You think the Berlin government could organise a mass vaccination competenly? Fat chance.
I have an appointment for this week, but again only because someone told me about a GP with extra supplies. Anyone else I know it's the same story or they get it via their company doctor.
Though maybe in Dublin not so different. A friend of mine there, early 40s, today got an appointment for vaccine this week, via his GP. Not in a risk group

DonnieCorko

Hi there,

My gf is a health care assistant. She started working again as one in Feb/march after taking a three month break. They offered her a vaccine after maybe a month of working but she was sick that week and actually had to get a covid test which was negative. For the past two and a half months they have told her they are waiting for a new list from the HSE with her on it. Obviously she is worried about covid, working clearly with patients in and out of hospital. I have heard GPs can also vaccinate. Anyone know other routes to get vaccinated? Thanks!

Strazdas

rogber wrote: »

The airport was roughly a decade late in opening and it still has problems.
You think the Berlin government could organise a mass vaccination competenly? Fat chance.
I have an appointment for this week, but again only because someone told me about a GP with extra supplies. Anyone else I know it's the same story or they get it via their company doctor.
Though maybe in Dublin not so different. A friend of mine there, early 40s, today got an appointment for vaccine this week, via his GP. Not in a risk group

The Irish rollout still seems to be going a lot better than that in Berlin. We've heard a few complaints but most people seem pretty happy with how the MVCs are operating.

humberklog

Any one else having side effects from Pfizer like this...

Tuesday afternoon 1st shot.

Sore arm, head cold feeling with a touch of nauseous for 36 hours after. No biggy.

But from Wednesday I've been getting shooting pains down my sternum. It doesn't last long. It reminds me of having a broken rib (if anyone has had that it's not quite as shooting and excruciating as a broken rib, but kinda like it.)

I'm 51 and a smoker and toker but I've never had a pain there. Morning it mostly strikes.

Gregor Samsa

Who is "they"? Her employer or the HSE?

Anyway, here's the details of how healthcare workers can get the vaccine. Unfortunately the process for HC workers under 45 was affected by the ransomware hack, and it seems a new process hasn't been put in place yet. But I guess it will be detailed on this page when it is:

https://healthservice.hse.ie/staff/coronavirus/policies-procedures-guidelines/covid-19-vaccine-materials.html

Happydays2020

Contact her Union.

Beasty

Threads merged

JPup

DonnieCorko wrote: »

Hi there,

My gf is a health care assistant. She started working again as one in Feb/march after taking a three month break. They offered her a vaccine after maybe a month of working but she was sick that week and actually had to get a covid test which was negative. For the past two and a half months they have told her they are waiting for a new list from the HSE with her on it. Obviously she is worried about covid, working clearly with patients in and out of hospital. I have heard GPs can also vaccinate. Anyone know other routes to get vaccinated? Thanks!

What age is she? She might be quicker just waiting to be vaccinated by age along with the general population at this stage.

DonnieCorko

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

Who is "they"? Her employer or the HSE?

Anyway, here's the details of how healthcare workers can get the vaccine. Unfortunately the process for HC workers under 45 was affected by the ransomware hack, and it seems a new process hasn't been put in place yet. But I guess it will be detailed on this page when it is:

https://healthservice.hse.ie/staff/coronavirus/policies-procedures-guidelines/covid-19-vaccine-materials.html

Presumably HSE through the employer offered it. Will look at that, thanks..

DonnieCorko

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Contact her Union.

Not really sure she has a union. Im pretty sure she doesn't pay union fees anyway. Sorry should have said. She is a healthcare assistant so not likely to be unionised as they are often temporary workers

DonnieCorko

JPup wrote: »

What age is she? She might be quicker just waiting to be vaccinated by age along with the general population at this stage.

32. That could be another two months though and I mean that's the obvious outcome if she can't get it through another means but she shouldn't have to wait for her age bracket.

niamh247

Which vaccines are being administered right now for the first dose? Is it still based on the age group criteria (AZ for above 50 etc)?

dominatinMC

Turtwig wrote: »

He's not wrong. Compared to the wildtype the vaccines don't work as well. They do still work! They're still very effective and there's nothing yet to suggest they fail at preventing severe illness. Staines knows this. He's gotta. Yet he keeps saying it in a way that someone could easily misunderstand as meaning the vaccine is useless.

Loss of efficacy is a problem. It means herd immunity requires a higher threshold - and depending on how high that threshold becomes things could get problematic.

That said, If Staines isn't careful he'll actually make it a self fulfilling prophecy whereby we can't make herd immunity because enough people think the vaccine wouldn't work for them.

So he is wrong...

Qrt

My take on the variants is this; they’ll reduce the burden of serious illness and disease to a tolerable level, with reduced transmission as an added bonus, while retuned vaccines are developed and distributed, bringing this all to an eventual end.

They’re not ideal. Not terrible, just not great.

Goldengirl

astrofool wrote: »

a) back when HCW were getting vaccinated over 70's weren't able to get AZ because of missing trial data, giving HCW Pfizer would literally have meant those very at risk dying waiting for vaccines
b) back when HCW were getting vaccinated, the only others being vaccinated were those at very high risk of COVID, they were getting vaccines before everyone else
c) HCW in general are of an age where they are at very low risk to serious COVID, the main reason for HCW getting vaccinated first was to ensure that hospital capacity was not reduced due to many HCW isolating after contracting SARS-COV2, this was also the reason why all HCW were targeted and not just those who would be working closest with patients
d) The reason for the long gap between doses of AZ is that gives the best immune response after testing and trials, by reducing the gap, the immune response can be less than what it could be, the profiles of effectiveness is different for each vaccine and dosing is intended to get the best response possible over the long term, the short term efficacy of AZ after a few weeks is good enough to avoid serious COVID especially in the HCW age groups.

Seeing as you quoted my post and proceeded to tell me in a very patronising way , information that not only do I know first hand but have experience of as a clinical lead nurse in critical care in a major public hospital , I will reply to you in a similar fashion....

a) Health care workers like myself were vaccinated with Pfizer at the beginning along with elderly patients in nursing homes. AZ wasn't in the mix as not authorised for another month .
Then when it was introduced and there was insufficient data to give it to the over 70s , it was the vaccine for HCWs , no debate there .

b) You state HCWs were vaccinated before anyone else ...Why was that , do you think ?
Because health care workers are more at risk of getting Covid than any other group in the general population, though thank goodness , less at risk of dying than elderly people .
Still some nurses have died here and other HCWs, and quite a few have become seriously ill and many are still sick or just recovering .
So why do you imply it is a privilege to get a vaccination so you can continue to work and care for sick people and be able to fo your job and be safe ?

c) " HCW in general are of an age when they are at low risk of serious illness" my axxe !
There are front facing HCWs of all ages in the service , some even over 65 ! Ffs .
Many colleagues of mine, along with myself are still flying around the hospitals and just as fast as any of the younger girls .
Some of us have underlying conditions due to our age that would put us in high risk groups along with the fact that our job puts us in danger .
If older nurses with all our knowledge and experience were taken out of some frontline services it would cause a major imbalance as we have young inexperienced nurses being trained up and mentored along side us, and also nurses with young families .
The reason of vaccinating to keep nurses on the frontline at work is of course one of the reasons , but also why should anyone have to work with infectious patients in a pandemic without adequate protection.
Again it is an absolute must, not a privilege !
Also very importantly , the other reason was so asymptomatic spread would be stopped , as hospital outbreaks were more likely when community transmission was highest .

d) As for this point , talk about pedantic.
Yes we know all about its effectiveness and the data showing that it increases as each week goes on, in fact I have said this myself in response to one or two as regards the latest data from PHE ( those bloods if taken a few more weeks later could tell a different tale for AZ , but still better to get 2nd dose promptly when due )
That is not the issue with AZ and nurses.

The issue is that
a) the 2nd doses were stretched out to 16 weeks for all who did not have underlying conditions, now brought back to 12 weeks apparently due to the risk of inadequate protection otherwise..
Unfortunately this is not happening as many HCWs are still waiting to be called for their 2nd doses and they are a few weeks after the 12weeks .

b) Why are younger HCWs being treated with less care than the general population and being told , not asked , and not being given a choice unlike others , that it is AZ they are being given , even though NIAC have said it is not safe to give to anybody under age of 40 ?

Why if there is a risk at all , is it ok to treat HCWs differently ? Is it some sort of research study that HCWs haven't been given a choice to opt out of ?
Because if you want to work and be safe you have to take the vaccine .

That was my point all along and if you had taken the trouble to read my posts in this thread maybe you wouldn't have replied in the tone you took in that post .
Hence the tone of my post to you .

I will not be replying again on this , I have said my piece and am done with this .

Lumen

Goldengirl wrote: »

NIAC have said it is not safe to give to anybody under age of 40

They have not said this.

is_that_so

niamh247 wrote: »

Which vaccines are being administered right now for the first dose? Is it still based on the age group criteria (AZ for above 50 etc)?

Pretty much all of them at different times and it looks like some vaccines have special days in the vaccination centres. AZ is second dose only at present I believe with the over 50s getting J&J as an option and yes it's still going by age.