Chu 4 Curfews

Nozebleed

I genuinely find this hard to believe..does anyone think curfews are acceptable? I certainly dont. i would have thought this request by a lord mayor would be all over the news and justifiably ridiculed.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/portobello-plaza-curfew-being-considered-20618751

WrenBoy

CurChu's

L1011

Most public parks have a closing time (Phoenix Park is a notable exception), this isn't massively different

Hurrache

Piece of **** thread title all the same.

"Rubbish... public urination".. if only we had the means and tools to tackle such behaviour.

Nah let's just ban people instead of bins and toilets.

I think this time she's bitten off more than she can chu.

suicide_circus

gilberto_eire wrote: »

"Rubbish... public urination".. if only we had the means and tools to tackle such behaviour.

Completely insurmountable challenges in Ireland

Marcusm

L1011 wrote: »

Most public parks have a closing time (Phoenix Park is a notable exception), this isn't massively different

That should have been taken by DCC when designing and building the plaza, however. It’s not an enclosed public space and this not susceptible to control in the same manner as an enclosed park. DCC has created a space which would only be enforceable by a permanent police presence, ie they have created the probablility (used advisable) of a problem but want someone else to sort it out.

I have sympathy for those living locally and I abhor the unlawful congregation but especially the mess. However, DCC needs to find a solution it can implement.

Bobblehats

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Bobblehats

Deleted User wrote: »

I think this time she's bitten off more than she can chu.

Chu for caramel chew chew

namloc1980

L1011 wrote: »

Most public parks have a closing time (Phoenix Park is a notable exception), this isn't massively different

Crikey are we now advocating closing off public spaces in urban areas? Man this escalated quickly.

c.p.w.g.w

How about we just enforce the laws wie have...

All that public drinking is illegal, arrest as many as you can and charge them, make an example of them, and continue to do so, until people realize their is consequences to their actions

Thinly veiled ‘it’s our right to hang around and be antisocial’ thread

Donald Trump

gilberto_eire wrote: »

"Rubbish... public urination".. if only we had the means and tools to tackle such behaviour.

She's taking the piss

Dyr

Deleted User wrote: »

I think this time she's bitten off more than she can chu.

You sure? She strikes me as someone who's can chew a lot

expectationlost

Nozebleed wrote: »

I genuinely find this hard to believe..does anyone think curfews are acceptable? I certainly dont. i would have thought this request by a lord mayor would be all over the news and justifiably ridiculed.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/portobello-plaza-curfew-being-considered-20618751

I presume she means a curfew for that area...? just.


if it were a park they could close it.

WrenBoy

Seems to me taking the lazy way out, closing parks altogether instead of policing them.

J.O. Farmer

Donald Trump wrote: »

She's taking the piss

Ah no she's not.....well at least I hope not in public anyway. That would be ironic.

enricoh

Was in Germany years ago and they had self contained urinals on the streets, it seems a no brainer as the sewer pipe is under the path anyway.
We'll probably get a few feasibility studies and reports done on them , but no actual toilets!

Dyr

enricoh wrote: »

Was in Germany years ago and they had self contained urinals on the streets, it seems a no brainer as the sewer pipe is under the path anyway.
We'll probably get a few feasibility studies and reports done on them , but no actual toilets!

The immediate Dublin response is that Junkies would **** in them

Which might suggest that Dublin has a Junkie problem

On the rubbish issue, I was talking with my father about this last night. I lived in a foreign city in the city centre. Our rubbish collection was paid for out of our taxes so we didn't need to buy a tag, or a sticker or whatever and the bins were collected every two days. Result? The place was spotless.

On the public toilet issue, they had a number of public toilets, manned by well, a man, or often a little old lady. She'd charge a small nominal charge, and if you genuinely didn't have it, she'd let you in, but the charge was to dissuade loitering. He/she kept the place clean and generally kept an eye on the place. Another very easy to implement solution we seem unable to do here.

jimgoose

This isn't what a curfew is, this is just closing a public plaza at certain times. I don't often find myself on the same side of the fence as Ms. Chu, but she might actually have a point this time.

enricoh

[Deleted User] wrote: »

On the rubbish issue, I was talking with my father about this last night. I lived in a foreign city in the city centre. Our rubbish collection was paid for out of our taxes so we didn't need to buy a tag, or a sticker or whatever and the bins were collected every two days. Result? The place was spotless.

On the public toilet issue, they had a number of public toilets, manned by well, a man, or often a little old lady. She'd charge a small nominal charge, and if you genuinely didn't have it, she'd let you in, but the charge was to dissuade loitering. He/she kept the place clean and generally kept an eye on the place. Another very easy to implement solution we seem unable to do here.

Was chatting to a lad in that Barack Obama plaza he was cleaning the toilets. He said he was in them full time basically to stop claims. No doubt there was someone in the women's jacks as well. Dunno what hours it opens but it'd be open 80hrs a week anyway- so 4 wages at least. A fairly substantial cost per annum.

Nozebleed

jimgoose wrote: »

This isn't what a curfew is, this is just closing a public plaza at certain times. I don't often find myself on the same side of the fence as Ms. Chu, but she might actually have a point this time.

ok so...we'll be closing off temple bar at 10pm aswell so...where do you want to go with this? calling for a public plaza to be closed off or a curfew put in place is the height of stupidity.

also in ireland its not illegal to drink in public..it is however illegal to be drunk in public. there's a big difference.

c.p.w.g.w

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

How about we just enforce the laws wie have...

All that public drinking is illegal, arrest as many as you can and charge them, make an example of them, and continue to do so, until people realize their is consequences to their actions

There is no such law.

Please try again

jimgoose

Nozebleed wrote: »

ok so...we'll be closing off temple bar at 10pm aswell so...where do you want to go with this? calling for a public plaza to be closed off or a curfew put in place is the height of stupidity.

also in ireland its not illegal to drink in public..it is however illegal to be drunk in public. there's a big difference.

I don't want to go anywhere with it because it's not my problem and I don't care. All I'll say is that this is part of the same reason we don't have proper public toilets in Ireland - like many public amenities they're quickly rendered unusable by assorted yobs and head-cases and for some reason the police don't whale fuck out of them with steel-cored batons.

Tacitus Kilgore

And there they all are, like flies to shite

Thelonious Monk

Don't really know what they're supposed to do here. It had turned into a mini festival a few nights a week, with tonnes of rubbish being left there, even after they put more barrels out as bins. You couldn't really cater for the amount of rubbish produced and people wont take it home with them.
Do we start putting skips there every weekend and public toilets? Would that not just attract bigger crowds to a residential area? I just don't know if we're mature enough as a society for this kind of thing when I see the states places are left in.
With our weather at least it wont be a problem for much of the year and the gatherings will be smaller when bars and restaurants open.

freshpopcorn

There is going to be a lot of issues this Summer regarding to people drinking outside, beaches, woods, etc.
It's going to be a tricky situation to manage.

L1011

Nozebleed wrote: »

also in ireland its not illegal to drink in public..it is however illegal to be drunk in public. there's a big difference.

There's no nationwide law. However, individual councils are allowed have their own ban via byelaws, and DCC does. Its just rarely if ever enforced.

conorhal

jimgoose wrote: »

I don't want to go anywhere with it because it's not my problem and I don't care.

Talk about an attitude that's the epitome of WHY the problem is a problem in the first place.
The irish and our 'I'm alright Jack' attitude and general lack of civic responsibility is 'why we can't have nice things'.

jimgoose wrote: »

All I'll say is that this is part of the same reason we don't have proper public toilets in Ireland - like many public amenities they're quickly rendered unusable by assorted yobs and head-cases and for some reason the police don't whale fuck out of them with steel-cored batons.

The 'same reason' you’re talking about is anti-social behaviour.
The answer to junkies in the jax isn't closing all the public toilets. The answer to litter bug Larry isn't removing all the bins from the streets and the answer to anti-social behaviour in Portobello isn't closing down public spaces, it's addressing the root of the problem.
If Hazel thinks that withdrawing public amenities from people is the answer to the problem then she has no place in government, local or national. We need politicians that want to fix problems, not sweep them under the carpet and penalize everybody other than the offenders, those politicians need to get out of the way of others prepared to offer solutions that make everybody’s life better, not worse.

jimgoose

conorhal wrote: »

...our 'I'm alright Jack' attitude and general lack of civic responsibility is 'why we can't have nice things'..

I think at least some of it has to do with automatically jumping down the throats people who have nothing to do with the cause of the problem, but who were trying to make the very point that anti-social behaviour without consequences is the real issue.

biko

Portobello Plaza curfew being considered to prevent 'completely unacceptable' anti-social behaviour

The Portobello Plaza in Dublin is being closed this weekend and gardaí will be mounting an operation to prevent large crowds gathering there over the weekend.
The area has become a hotspot for outdoor drinkers during lockdown with residents complaining of rubbish being strewn all over the plaza and people urinating on the streets

It's not uncommon to close parks but open spaces?

enricoh

enricoh wrote: »

Was chatting to a lad in that Barack Obama plaza he was cleaning the toilets. He said he was in them full time basically to stop claims. No doubt there was someone in the women's jacks as well. Dunno what hours it opens but it'd be open 80hrs a week anyway- so 4 wages at least. A fairly substantial cost per annum.

The budget for Dublin City Council is just over 1 billion euros. So those 4 wages are just a tiny percentage. If these were specialist toilet cleaners, with a salary of 50k a year each the yearly cost would be 200k. The percentage of the overall yearly budget that would take up is 0.002%.

Gregor Samsa

A curfew is an order requiring people to be in their homes during a certain time period.

Closing a public space at certain times is not a curfew.

But this story involves Current Affairs' favourite villain Hazel Chu, so I guess anything goes.

freshpopcorn

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

A curfew is an order requiring people to be in their homes during a certain time period.

Closing a public space at certain times is not a curfew.

But this story involves Current Affairs' favourite villain Hazel Chu, so I guess anything goes.

I get the impression it was Hazel that called it a curfew to be fair.

jippo nolan

enricoh wrote: »

Was chatting to a lad in that Barack Obama plaza he was cleaning the toilets. He said he was in them full time basically to stop claims. No doubt there was someone in the women's jacks as well. Dunno what hours it opens but it'd be open 80hrs a week anyway- so 4 wages at least. A fairly substantial cost per annum.

That was probably Pat McDonagh!

donaghs

conorhal wrote: »

Talk about an attitude that's the epitome of WHY the problem is a problem in the first place.
The irish and our 'I'm alright Jack' attitude and general lack of civic responsibility is 'why we can't have nice things'.


The 'same reason' you’re talking about is anti-social behaviour.
The answer to junkies in the jax isn't closing all the public toilets. The answer to litter bug Larry isn't removing all the bins from the streets and the answer to anti-social behaviour in Portobello isn't closing down public spaces, it's addressing the root of the problem.
If Hazel thinks that withdrawing public amenities from people is the answer to the problem then she has no place in government, local or national. We need politicians that want to fix problems, not sweep them under the carpet and penalize everybody other than the offenders, those politicians need to get out of the way of others prepared to offer solutions that make everybody’s life better, not worse.

In this instance I think she’s right. Definitely address the root of the problem. but for people living around there, it’s an intolerable situation which needs some fast action. Temporarily closing this small space at night is a small measure. This isn’t the Reichstag Fire, slippery slope to autocracy.

Donald Trump

jippo nolan wrote: »

enricoh wrote: »

Was chatting to a lad in that Barack Obama plaza he was cleaning the toilets. He said he was in them full time basically to stop claims. No doubt there was someone in the women's jacks as well. Dunno what hours it opens but it'd be open 80hrs a week anyway- so 4 wages at least. A fairly substantial cost per annum.

That was probably Pat McDonagh!

:eek:




Poor Pat. I doubt very much that that is true

dirtyden

Deleted User wrote: »

On the rubbish issue, I was talking with my father about this last night. I lived in a foreign city in the city centre. Our rubbish collection was paid for out of our taxes so we didn't need to buy a tag, or a sticker or whatever and the bins were collected every two days. Result? The place was spotless.

On the public toilet issue, they had a number of public toilets, manned by well, a man, or often a little old lady. She'd charge a small nominal charge, and if you genuinely didn't have it, she'd let you in, but the charge was to dissuade loitering. He/she kept the place clean and generally kept an eye on the place. Another very easy to implement solution we seem unable to do here.

Which city is this you speak of?

Annasopra

Nozebleed wrote: »

I genuinely find this hard to believe..does anyone think curfews are acceptable? I certainly dont. i would have thought this request by a lord mayor would be all over the news and justifiably ridiculed.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/portobello-plaza-curfew-being-considered-20618751

Sounds reasonable to me.

Its closed at the moment and she wants to open it up but have times where people would then be moved on

Annasopra

Marcusm wrote: »

That should have been taken by DCC when designing and building the plaza, however. It’s not an enclosed public space and this not susceptible to control in the same manner as an enclosed park. DCC has created a space which would only be enforceable by a permanent police presence, ie they have created the probablility (used advisable) of a problem but want someone else to sort it out.

I have sympathy for those living locally and I abhor the unlawful congregation but especially the mess. However, DCC needs to find a solution it can implement.

This is a proposed solution. Open it up then at night people will be moved on. Sounds reasonable.

c.p.w.g.w

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There is no such law.

Please try again

Dublin City Council have bye-laws which make consuming alcohol in public illegal

jippo nolan

Donald Trump wrote: »

:eek:




Poor Pat. I doubt very much that that is true

Pat would eat sh^}e to save money!

ILoveYourVibes

Nozebleed wrote: »

I genuinely find this hard to believe..does anyone think curfews are acceptable? I certainly dont. i would have thought this request by a lord mayor would be all over the news and justifiably ridiculed.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/portobello-plaza-curfew-being-considered-20618751

They are not and its classist.

Quantum Erasure

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

A curfew is an order requiring people to be in their homes during a certain time period.

Closing a public space at certain times is not a curfew.

But this story involves Current Affairs' favourite villain Hazel Chu, so I guess anything goes.

Ye don't have to go home, but you can't stay here...

ThunbergsAreGo

Seems like a sensible enough proposal

suicide_circus

Tax or Ban

The solution to all problems in Ireland

_Kaiser_

[Deleted User] wrote: »

On the rubbish issue, I was talking with my father about this last night. I lived in a foreign city in the city centre. Our rubbish collection was paid for out of our taxes so we didn't need to buy a tag, or a sticker or whatever and the bins were collected every two days. Result? The place was spotless.

Also known as Dublin/Ireland before the privatisation of bin collection.

Now we pay yet another expensive charge to companies that operate as a cartel or monopoly in some areas, and illegal dumping is rampant.

Progress eh!

_Kaiser_

suicide_circus wrote: »

Tax or Ban

The solution to all problems in Ireland

Very true.

Methinks though that this is just Chu trying to keep herself in the media more than anything though.

suicide_circus

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Very true.

Methinks though that this is just Chu trying to keep herself in the media more than anything though.

When she was plain old Mayor Chu she was in favour of more public toilets:

https://mobile.twitter.com/hazechu/status/1333401351460687874

Now that she's seeking election in the constituency where Portobello is located, she's in favour of banning access to public spaces altogether..hmmm