Update on my CZ 457 LRP

JP22

clivej wrote: »

Got a new SEB rear shooting bag all filled up and ready. I'll see if this will now help me shoot a little better.
It has a 20mm flat bottom that will match the CZ457 LRP lower picatinny attachment rail on the stock.

Nice one Clive, Seb makes great quality bags.

May it wear well.:D

Cerveza

badaj0z wrote: »

Only if the shooter is good enough to perform at the limit of the rifles ability. A poor shooter may only be able to get 2 inch groups out of either rifle. My argument is that a shooter using a specific gun, ammo, rests etc., is a system which acts together to produce a result. In this case accuracy. The accuracy which results is limited to the worst performing component, which is usually the person.

I tried playing golf years ago, was hopeless at it. I gave it every chance to learn it and had a few Nick Faldo’s that tried to teach me but the talent just wasn’t there. I would imagine any shooter who hasn’t the talent should call it a day also.

Wadi14

Cerveza wrote: »

I tried playing golf years ago, was hopeless at it. I gave it every chance to learn it and had a few Nick Faldo’s that tried to teach me but the talent just wasn’t there. I would imagine any shooter who hasn’t the talent should call it a day also.

Golf is a very hard game to master I gave it up too when I couldn't get lower than 10 lol.

but on a serious note, it doesn't matter if you have talent for anything if you enjoy what your doing, then why stop. Its meant to be fun.

Cerveza

Wadi14 wrote: »

Golf is a very hard game to master I gave it up too when I couldn't get lower than 10 lol.

but on a serious note, it doesn't matter if you have talent for anything if you enjoy what your doing, then why stop. Its meant to be fun.

It will be difficult to enjoy shooting if you are no good at it. I certainly wouldn’t enjoy playing golf if I was horsing sods of grass at the tee off instead of the ball and the times I would hit the ball and they landing into the water or rough.
I believe the same analogy for shooting would have been the same for me.

solarwinds

Cerveza wrote: »

It will be difficult to enjoy shooting if you are no good at it. I certainly wouldn’t enjoy playing golf if I was horsing sods of grass at the tee off instead of the ball and the times I would hit the ball and they landing into the water or rough.
I believe the same analogy for shooting would have been the same for me.

I would not be the best shot in the world but it gives me great pleasure and I love it so who cares I enjoy what I do.
So what you are saying is regardless of whether you enjoy something or not is irrelevant, unless you are good at it you should not be allowed to participate.
Right I will post all my rifles, shotgun and pistol in the for sale section, bulk buy discount (only current Olympians need apply).

solarwinds

Nice looking set up Clive, can I ask did you buy the bag direct and if so did you buy it filled, how was shipping ?.

clivej

solarwinds wrote: »

Nice looking set up Clive, can I ask did you buy the bag direct and if so did you buy it filled, how was shipping ?.

Yes bought unfilled from Italy, 10 Euro DHL postage.
Filled it with the white fine Play sand, put it in the oven to dry it off.


https://armeriaregina.it/gb/cuscini-posteriori/5338-seb-rest-regular-rear-bag.html

JP22

Clive.

Forgot to ask (before I book-mark the site - https://armeriaregina.it/gb/cuscini-...-rear-bag.html).

Any issues buying from them, any issues with delivery/customs, etc?

Keep safe.


JP

clivej

JP22 wrote: »

Clive.

Forgot to ask (before I book-mark the site - https://armeriaregina.it/gb/cuscini-...-rear-bag.html).

Any issues buying from them, any issues with delivery/customs, etc?

Keep safe.


JP

No problem at all, and only 10 Euro 3 day delivery with DHL, that took 10 days to arrive. :mad:

2011

I collected my CZ 457 LRP last night. The trigger was on the heaviest setting so I sorted that first with some help from YouTube. Next I added the scope and a spacer in the stock followed by a few other tweaks.

Up early to the range this am, at 50 m it’s a tack driver. I finished up with 10 shots all touching. At 100 m things opened up a bit as expected. However considering there was a little wind, my scope is only 20 power and the bipod and rear bag were not exceptional I am very happy for day one. I was using SK match (red). Photos to follow.

Point of impact climbed by 5” with a mod rather than the muzzle brake at 100 m. Slightly tighter group with the mod but maybe this was because the wind dropped.

2011

On the range this am.



What I thought was my best 10 round group at 50m. Although I'm looking at this now and wondering if it was less than 10 rounds, perhaps it was one magazine i.e. 5 rounds. Either way I'm happy. I had no coins on me so I used a bullet for scale.



My best 10 round group at 100 m. A pity I had one flyer!

GooseB

Nice shooting and the best of luck with the new rifle:D

That 100m group is nice, particularly the 7 shot cluster that make the one big hole.

clivej

A nice morning getting some competition pistol practice in. Then a good couple of benchrest targets shot in the afternoon. I was getting tired with the last 10 round group, bottom right.

clivej

Update....... after soooooooooooooo much ammo testing and getting great groups and then not such great groups (with the same ammo) I have traded in the CZ 457 LRP. It just wasn't holding consistent small groups good enough for the Benchrest competitions. ☹️

I would get great touching shots that would then open up to unacceptable groups for Benchrest competition shooting. 🙄

I traded the CZ 457 LRP back into the dealer I bought it from. I now have an Anschutz 1710, bought second hand that is said to be at least 20 years old. Got the rifle on a Monday and came first in Benchrest Light Varmint and third in Heavy Varmint on the Saturday in a well supported club comp. 😁

I have to say, the Anschutz 1710 does shoot well. 3 x 5 shot groups at 100m, using RWS R50 ammo. 2 sub MOA groups in there. 😃

Feisar

Beautiful looking rifle, pity it wasn't delivering the goods consistently enough. Fair play for pulling the pin, sometimes it can be hard to admit.

JP22

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117630848#Comment_117630848

Howdy Clive.

Once you go Anschutz, you'll never go back.

Anschutz date codes are either XX numbers = date or

letters (A=0, B=1, C=2, D=3, E=4, F=5, G=6, H=7, I=8, K=9. J is not used)

Enjoy.

JP

Cass

CZs are somewhat notorious for taking some "bedding in time" as you well know so do you think, @clivej the rifle might have settled down or was this the best it was ever going to produce?

Also ammo. I've had a sneaking suspicion that ammo quality the last few years, due to demand and rapid production, has gone down somewhat. I'd say a chrono would give someinteresting readings and might explain some groupings.

Now no doubt the improvement in the Anschutz is evident, and as a fan of both rifles I'd never criticize the CZ, but at the end of the day the 1710 is a hard bet rifle even above newer Anschutzs.

clivej

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117643331#Comment_117643331

Oh I did most everything I know to get the CZ 457 LRP to shoot right. 😥

I must have put over 1k of ammo thru it, and not the just the cheap stuff. My so to ammo has always been SK Standard Plus in the yellow box. That shot well above OK.

I cleaned between each change of ammo, just a couple of wet patches, followed by clean patches until dry. And then put at least 3 or more boxes of each ammo down the tube. I spent hundreds of Euro on ammo.

So I tried ......

Eley.. Match, contact, force, action, team.

RWS... Rifle match, R50, this shot very well.

SK.. Rifle match, Long range, standard plus,

Lapua... Center X, this shot very well.

BUT I never got consistency. Always a good group of 3 or 4 rounds then open up about 10mm away with another 3/4 shot group. I just said it was time to go and took it back and put another few Euro along with it and got the Anschutz 1710. I've owned about 10 CZ 22lr rifles over the years, but I'd never owned an Anschutz in all the years I've been shooting. This rifle is over 20 years old and after a quick zero it shot touching 5 shot groups at 50m and since then sub MOA groups at 100m. Using RWS R50 ammo.

I'm down to shoot my first prone competition this weekend at 50m and 100m. 😉

Cass

I had two Anschutzs and the Father one. We both had the 1710 and they were unbeliebable and one fo the few rifles I truly regret selling. The cost of them has actually gone up in the last few years as lads have realsied they're better than the new models.

Well ware with it and how about a few pictures.

JP22

As Clive says, CZ make some fine rifles, basically the LRP and MTR are the same rifle albit dressed up differently.

Both can be super accurate out of the box however, a quick google reveals lots of folk unhappy in US with their accuracy. Some either never shoot great or over a short period of time they lost their accuracy.

Nice shooting at last weeks comps Clive, 😁😁, did you get sorted with mags?

clivej

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117644480#Comment_117644480

I now have 2 x 5 round and 1 x 10 round mags. But I'd like to get another 10 round. I have to give Hilltop a call.

GooseB

Nice shooting with your Anschutz today Clive. Well done👍️

clivej

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117661027#Comment_117661027

Thanks very much. Had a great result at 50m prone.

And first card at 100m was very good only dropped 2, but I fall apart with my second card, got tired and lost concentration.

The silhouettes was fun I'll have to give them another go, and see if I can't beat the good guys 😉😉

MickB140

Hey Clive. Don't suppose you recall a link to the Italian supplier for the rear bag?

clivej

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940294#Comment_117940294

https://armeriaregina.it/gb/99-back-cushions

but I don't see it in stock there now

JP22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940294#Comment_117940294

Mick.

The Seb Rear Small Foot rear bag can also be here.

https://angelarms.eu/shooting-rests-sticks/933-77-seb-standard-rear-bag-1-2-5-8-3-8-3-4-and-1-inch-seb-srb-seb-engineering-shooting-rests-sticks.html

and here

https://www.q-store.com.au/shop/product/seb-small-foot-rear-bag-25mm-1951?category=151

I got mine from the Q Store a few years back, great rear bag, just note the ears have different widths.

MickB140

Cheers JP22

Ordered now.

JP22

Sound Mick.

If your looking for bag filler, plain basic sand is fine, some folk use brown rice, (never white), it gets mouldy too quick if exposed to dampness.

I went to my local pet shop and got a 10kg bag (€10 ish) of super fine cream coloured desert sand. Heavier than normal sand me thinks.

You can also use lizard or parrot sand, its just slightly coarser.

After a few weeks you need to top the bag and ears up again due to settlement. Theres plenty in a 10kg bag.