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Gardai conspire to ignore thousands of reported crimes
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I remember hearing a few 999 calls, garda would ask the usually traveler woman whose husband was smashing up the place if she'd press charges, cops show up she doesn't. She rings again and the garda will they sent someone already and hangup
People have no idea how often this happens, and not just limited to the travellers. Where I was based, you would get a guaranteed 5 calls per nights from 1 "lady", a woman in her 60's(?) who was a raging alcoholic and had a raging alcoholic "partner". They would be sloshed by 4pm and the calls would start then. Get him out. We get him out. She leaves him back in. Get him out. We get him out, she leaves him back in, repeat. And that was just 1 couple. I lost count, in the first 2 years alone, of people who refuse to make a statement after the fact or refuse help when you get there. Problem is you have to attend each and every time because this happens otherwise. I'd like to see how many of the eventual final number are repeat "customers" who never assist.
And it's not just domestic violence. If you're reporting a crime, you need to be willing to go to court and give evidence if a suspect is caught. If not, then it shouldn't be an incident imo. Too many people ring the Gardai and expect them to do everything and beyond, but without actually helping.
Couple that with the fact that they're under-resourced, don't have proper kit (the stab vests were throw aways from the UK police who upgraded to proper ones), no body cams yet (we were screaming for them in 2015), the second weakest pepper spray available, tasers only for the RSU. Add in the fact that a 10 minute call can lead to hours upon hours of paperwork and investigation, but you don't get the time to do it because there are too many calls.
Then you have all the other duties that you get drafted in for, jury service, court guard, public office, helping sheriffs, the RSA and councils for road related stuff, parades, civil disputes which have nothing to do with Gardai but they still have to attend, driving "troubled" kids around looking for a place to put them for the night, interviews that can take hours, searches for other units because they need more numbers... It just goes on and on and on. And there is rarely a break depending on your station, and you'd be lucky to get a break on the day shifts.
It doesn't surprise me that some calls were cancelled, it's bound to happen, they actually can't attend every single call, and no doubt you've heard of people being asked to call to the station to report something (usually if it happens in the city centre and it's a theft from person or something "minor" like that).
I agree with people that we need to get the Gardai back to policing work only, but I fear it's gone so far that it would be impossible to do. There's nobody to replace the Gardai in situations where they shouldn't be involved. From 5pm on Friday, state child supports close and don't open until Monday, so any kid requiring help is literally held in a station until a space can be found for them in some house somewhere. Myself and another Garda had to take 6 hours out of our shift one night to drive a kid to one of these places, and that was the nearest one. Same can be said for psychiatric services over the weekend, it closes and has a bare skeleton crew who are reluctant to take in anyone new because they don't have the support they need over the weekend.
I dunno, even just discussing it here is bringing back some bad memories, fair play to the good Gardai who are sticking with it, I couldn't, and that was 5 years ago when it wasn't as bad as it is now. And €31k starting wage now?! I wouldn't do that job again for anything less than €100k a year, such is the stress it causes.1 -
Potential-Monke wrote: »And €31k starting wage now?! I wouldn't do that job again for anything less than €100k a year, such is the stress it causes.
I was wondering when you'd bring up the wages issue. Seems like every problem with public services they manage to sneak that nugget in as well.
Since people are queuing up to join for "only" €31k, seems like the salaries isn't an issue at all so not sure why you had to bring it up.0 -
I was wondering when you'd bring up the wages issue. Seems like every problem with public services they manage to sneak that nugget in as well.
Since people are queuing up to join for "only" €31k, seems like the salaries isn't an issue at all so not sure why you had to bring it up.
Have you worked as a Garda? Have you worked at all? Money is the driving factor behind most employment. The money for being a Garda, starting at 31k, is scandelous considering what you have to do, put up with, and do without, it affects family, relationships, mental health and no supports to speak of, where the government, management and a large number of the public are against you regardless of what you do, where there's no mental health support worth mentioning, unsuitable equipment and vehicles, constant work usually with no breaks, mandatory court on days off (if you happened to book a holiday, you need a thesis of evidence to avoid court). I can go on and on, but it's been done to death many times already.
People are lining up because it's a government job, apparantly has some security with it, and this made up "golden pension" that non-Gardai keep harking on about. And you need high numbers applying, because most likely a high percentage of them won't be suitable.
I brought it up because, based on my own experience, it's not worth it. I'm currently doing a job for 37k a year, and the stress is about 1% of when I was a Garda. It doesn't have this supposed security, but I have my doubts about the future alleged security of being a Garda.
I am of the belief that a high wage prevents corruption, but it also requires decent management, which doesn't exist either, as it's a self serving role that most officers are in only to move up to the more lucrative positions, so they will crap all over their members in order to show that they can "make the hard decisions", instead of supporting their members when needed.
What that wage doesn't mention is how much of it is automatically gone before you get it. Between the Garda Medical Aid and all the other little bits of coverage you basically need as a serving Garda, plus loads of other little deductions that the general public don't have, that 31k drops dramatically. Yeah, you have the Garda Credit Unions to cover that with loands galore, and then you effectively tied into a never ending circle of loans and repayments.
But it's ok, continue to believe that the wage is appropriate to the work they do. I'm sure those against increasing the wage of a Garda have vast experience of being one, so are well equipped to make that call.3 -
I'm sure people working in a factory complain about the same thing, truth is being a garda is unskilled work so it doesn't need higher wages and as other posters said, the position doesn't have any problems attracting applicants.
And that's why the public are against gardai, it attracts a lot of vindictive bozos. I saw a gardai YouTube YouTube video of a guy failing college the joined the gardai, nothing wrong with that but I wouldn't be using it as a recruitment video.1 -
I was wondering when you'd bring up the wages issue. Seems like every problem with public services they manage to sneak that nugget in as well.
Since people are queuing up to join for "only" €31k, seems like the salaries isn't an issue at all so not sure why you had to bring it up.
Most STEM college grads would walk into a job over 30k now, and be near 60k after a few years.
Maximum pay after 8 years is 48k excluding overtime, shift allowances etc. Obviously you may get promoted up the ranks, but the pay isn't fantastic.
And that's without getting abused, threatened, attending crime scenes and suicides, and having every Joe Soap telling you that you're overpaid.
Every public service is the same. Gardai, nursing, armed forces, even certain teachers of certain subjects. There's just easier ways to make a living.
People are queueing up, but they're not staying.
I wouldn't agree with that. You learn skills on the job, like an apprentice.I'm sure people working in a factory complain about the same thing, truth is being a garda is unskilled work so it doesn't need higher wages and as other posters said, the position doesn't have any problems attracting applicants.
It's an interesting job if you're into it and there's lot of specialisation. But again, unless it's a vocation, theres easier ways to make a living.1 -
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It's been pointed out many times there's a shortage of social workers or staff to deal with young people that have various issues at the weekend so the Gardaí have the deal with it
Also theres simply not enough Gardaí on duty at certain times to deal with all the calls coming in
I think the Gardaí are under resourced and don't have all the equipment they need
I go through the city centre everyday
I have witnessed a few fights
Eg scumbags fighting each other
I have never seen anyone getting attacked
Gardai have a tough job
They have to deal with the very worst of society
and deal with criminals who are also drug users0 -
It's been pointed out many times there's a shortage of social workers or staff to deal with young people that have various issues at the weekend so the Gardaí have the deal with it
Also theres simply not enough Gardaí on duty at certain times to deal with all the calls coming in
I think the Gardaí are under resourced and don't have all the equipment they need
I go through the city centre everyday
I have witnessed a few fights
Eg scumbags fighting each other
I have never seen anyone getting attacked
Gardai have a tough job
They have to deal with the very worst of society
and deal with criminals who are also drug users
They don't help themselves though in terms of the public opinion.
I have only been the victim of one serious incident and despite being ridiculously open and shut the Garda were no use at all, too much later on I realized they must not have even requested CCTV as area was actually covered.
Similarly friends and acquaintances have had no luck with incidents.
Just look at the city Dublin center policing, always after the easy targets like students but won't arrest the people actually causing issues. It doesn't matter that a judge might let the person go really quickly, Garda shouldn't be taking the court system into account, their job is too enforce the law and guard the peace.0 -
Melanchthon wrote: »They don't help themselves though in terms of the public opinion.
I have only been the victim of one serious incident and despite being ridiculously open and shut the Garda were no use at all, too much later on I realized they must not have even requested CCTV as area was actually covered.
Similarly friends and acquaintances have had no luck with incidents.
Just look at the city Dublin center policing, always after the easy targets like students but won't arrest the people actually causing issues. It doesn't matter that a judge might let the person go really quickly, Garda shouldn't be taking the court system into account, their job is too enforce the law and guard the peace.
Courts are overflowing, jails are overflowing,.......
How are the criminals getting there?
Bit yeah, I always go after the easy target. I just love letting serious criminals commit crimes against my friends and family.
Fyi, most CCTV cameras on the wall, don't work.0 -
I'm sure people working in a factory complain about the same thing, truth is being a garda is unskilled work so it doesn't need higher wages and as other posters said, the position doesn't have any problems attracting applicants.
And that's why the public are against gardai, it attracts a lot of vindictive bozos. I saw a gardai YouTube YouTube video of a guy failing college the joined the gardai, nothing wrong with that but I wouldn't be using it as a recruitment video.
'unskilled'? That has to be a pisstake surely?
It's a college degree for starters.
The workforce is one of the most educated in the land with the majority of recruits having college degrees going in.
The new recruits are being let down by the current training system that was snuck in with covid, that's true but 'unskilled'?
Do you honestly believe you could do the job with no training or skills?0 -
Melanchthon wrote: »Garda shouldn't be taking the court system into account, their job is too enforce the law and guard the peace.
They don't- go down to your local district court and you'll see where our justice system is failing.0 -
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I was wondering when you'd bring up the wages issue. Seems like every problem with public services they manage to sneak that nugget in as well.
Since people are queuing up to join for "only" €31k, seems like the salaries isn't an issue at all so not sure why you had to bring it up.
I think you will find that monkey works in the private sector.
Applicants can be naive, like you are about Gardai but I have read enough of your anti garda rubbish to know you won't change-1 -
MikeOxsgreen wrote: »They don't- go down to your local district court and you'll see where our justice system is failing.
A friend is a guard. He arrests the same people for petty crime over and over.
Courts just let them go. Crime isn't serious enough for jail, criminal has no money for a fine, and they wouldn't show up for community service if it was given. So out the door they go.
You hear lads with 100 convictions. That's only for crimes they were caught for. Probably has committed 500 acts of crime.
And then people talk about Gardai being uninterested and disengaged.-1 -
John Mooney reports on this story on the front page of todays Sunday Times
As it stands the investigation is looking at a total of 22,595 cancelled 999 calls made to Gardai throughout 2019-2020
So far they have looked at 3,125 calls which were 999s 'Priority 1' relating to victims of domestic abuse. Of those 3,125 cancelled calls they have now identified that more than 600 of them were cancelled for an illegitimate reason and that Gardai did not give the 999 call an adequate response
The Gardai are now moving to examining the remaining 19,475 cancelled 999 calls and these relate to house burglaries, assaults and other offences
From the first sampe of 3,125 cancelled 999 calls we now know that 20% of them were cancelled for illegitimate reasons. If the same trend follows for the remaining calls then we are looking at somewhere in the order of 4,500 people who rang 999 in an emergency and did not receive an adequate response. This is serious stuff because it is highly likely that they are gong to uncover people who were the victims of violent assaults and burglaries in motion not getting an adequate response
That's not accurate either. First off, I want to know where the info comes from. It ain't rank and file talking.
Secondly, they have identified 20% that based on initial investigation, may have been incorrectly cancelled. Again that doesn't mean no response.
Some may prove to be worth disciplining people but so far we have 80% already cleared up as being above board. As in what I said in post number 2
Now they need to see what happened in those 20% but I'm guessing that a close look at pulse will yield more answers and that 20% will shrink further.0 -
Niner leprauchan wrote: »That's not accurate either. First off, I want to know where the info comes from. It ain't rank and file talking.
Secondly, they have identified 20% that based on initial investigation, may have been incorrectly cancelled. Again that doesn't mean no response.
Some may prove to be worth disciplining people but so far we have 80% already cleared up as being above board. As in what I said in post number 2
Now they need to see what happened in those 20% but I'm guessing that a close look at pulse will yield more answers and that 20% will shrink further.
I've heard 1000s of 999 calls, and Gardai can be pig ignorant. I've heard gardai just hanging up the phone because the caller was in a panic and the garda told them to ring back when they make sense. I've seen gardai take the phone off the hook because they didn't want to deal with a prank call thus stopping any emergency calls going through to that county. I've a million more examples. Gardai think they're judge dread and can do whatever they like.0 -
I've heard 1000s of 999 calls, and Gardai can be pig ignorant. I've heard gardai just hanging up the phone because the caller was in a panic and the garda told them to ring back when they make sense. I've seen gardai take the phone off the hook because they didn't want to deal with a prank call thus stopping any emergency calls going through to that county. I've a million more examples. Gardai think they're judge dread and can do whatever they like.
Its Dredd and no, you havent. You are telling lies as is your want when it comes to Gardai. Never let reality get in the way of your agenda0 -
Niner leprauchan wrote: »Its Dredd and no, you havent. You are telling lies as is your want when it comes to Gardai. Never let reality get in the way of your agenda
So the previous example I wrote that a garda confirmed as true was just lucky posting? I've given a few more examples and now you're saying it's not true?0 -
So the previous example I wrote that a garda confirmed as true was just lucky posting? I've given a few more examples and now you're saying it's not true?
Well lets be clear here
A, AGAIN and this has been pointed out already. PM is not a Garda. He was, past tense. He is not now. Again, your grasp of actual facts is weak.
B, He didnt back you about Gardai hanging up and ignoring calls. Again, this seemed obvious. He was speaking about the amount of people that just keep constantly calling up but not making complaints or letting the husband back in after the Gardai consistantly remove him.
C, Its gone from "A few" to "Thousands" of 999 calls and I simple do not believe you. You would not be privy to that many calls outside of being a 999 calltaker or a Garda and even then, it wouldnt be nationwide and you shouldnt be listening in that often.
D, Both 999 calltakers and Garda dispatchers are civilianised in most cases and Less educated than the Gardai you insult where and when possible.
So yeah, its not true and its still Dredd-1 -
I've heard 1000s of 999 calls, and Gardai can be pig ignorant. I've heard gardai just hanging up the phone because the caller was in a panic and the garda told them to ring back when they make sense. I've seen gardai take the phone off the hook because they didn't want to deal with a prank call thus stopping any emergency calls going through to that county. I've a million more examples. Gardai think they're judge dread and can do whatever they like.
where did you hear 1000s of 999 calls ?0 -
Niner leprauchan wrote: »Well lets be clear here
A, AGAIN and this has been pointed out already. PM is not a Garda. He was, past tense. He is not now. Again, your grasp of actual facts is weak.
B, He didnt back you about Gardai hanging up and ignoring calls. Again, this seemed obvious. He was speaking about the amount of people that just keep constantly calling up but not making complaints or letting the husband back in after the Gardai consistantly remove him.
C, Its gone from "A few" to "Thousands" of 999 calls and I simple do not believe you. You would not be privy to that many calls outside of being a 999 calltaker or a Garda and even then, it wouldnt be nationwide and you shouldnt be listening in that often.
D, Both 999 calltakers and Garda dispatchers are civilianised in most cases and Less educated than the Gardai you insult where and when possible.
So yeah, its not true and its still Dredd
Most cases, I believe just Dublin have civilian dispatchrrs
And you're a garda? What an attitude I see professional isn't your strong point0 -
So what's the craic now? Is it still the usual or is there something going to be done about this?0
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Niner leprauchan wrote: »That's not accurate either. First off, I want to know where the info comes from. It ain't rank and file talking
How do you know it is not accurate, did you count the numbers yourself or something? Failing that I dont know how you can make such a statement. The info comes from an internal Garda investigation as outlined in the article, it is info from the Gardai which has been reported and Harris has apologised to these victims of crime who did not receive an adequate Garda response. So if you are saying that the info upon which this apology by Drew Harris was based is not accurate how do you know that? It is in direct contradiction to what Garda management are saying
And how do you know the rank and file are not talking? There are thousands of them so Im not sure how you speak for the all. They were part of the internal investigation, are you claiming that they did not co-operate with the investigation?Secondly, they have identified 20% that based on initial investigation, may have been incorrectly cancelled. Again that doesn't mean no response.
Some may prove to be worth disciplining people but so far we have 80% already cleared up as being above board. As in what I said in post number 2
Now they need to see what happened in those 20% but I'm guessing that a close look at pulse will yield more answers and that 20% will shrink further.
This seems to be an attempt to down play whats going on here. If 600 people ring 999 in an emergency which involves domestic abuse and violence and they do not get an adequate Garda response then that is a problem, a big one. 999 is what people call in an emergency, there is no room for fcuk up here as it can cost victims of domestic violence serious injuries when they are calling out for help.
Also those 600 999 calls are only the tip on the iceberg- the investigation is ongoing and they still have another 18,000 999 calls to audit. If the 20% figure holds up then we are looking at around 5,000 999 calls in total. This is serious stuff the Garda Commissioner has already been asked if he will resign over it, thats the level it is at.0 -
Most cases, I believe just Dublin have civilian dispatchrrs
And you're a garda? What an attitude I see professional isn't your strong point
Quality comeback. Baffling the unskilled Garda with your knowledge and detailed responses filled with details and provable facts. Well you made one claim, at it was wrong but anyway....
I see you are not even able to back your own comments
Its 'professionalism' by the way. Where did you get your degree again? I only ask as I would love to become 'skilled' someday so I can listen to phone calls of Gardai doing their 'unskilled' work0 -
How do you know it is not accurate, did you count the numbers yourself or something? Failing that I dont know how you can make such a statement. The info comes from an internal Garda investigation as outlined in the article, it is info from the Gardai which has been reported and Harris has apologised to these victims of crime who did not receive an adequate Garda response. So if you are saying that the info upon which this apology by Drew Harris was based is not accurate how do you know that? It is in direct contradiction to what Garda management are saying
And how do you know the rank and file are not talking? There are thousands of them so Im not sure how you speak for the all. They were part of the internal investigation, are you claiming that they did not co-operate with the investigation?
This seems to be an attempt to down play whats going on here. If 600 people ring 999 in an emergency which involves domestic abuse and violence and they do not get an adequate Garda response then that is a problem, a big one. 999 is what people call in an emergency, there is no room for fcuk up here as it can cost victims of domestic violence serious injuries when they are calling out for help.
Also those 600 999 calls are only the tip on the iceberg- the investigation is ongoing and they still have another 18,000 999 calls to audit. If the 20% figure holds up then we are looking at around 5,000 999 calls in total. This is serious stuff the Garda Commissioner has already been asked if he will resign over it, thats the level it is at.
I apologise that my reasoned reply upset you. Pointing out that the 20% number is not yet the amount that were incorrectly cancelled is called waiting until the facts are known. My professional experience is where my comments originate.
As for how I dont know if its rank and file talking, if you cannot see how you answered that yourself, I cannot help you further but I see that you have tried to twist that into another conspiracy theory
Public officials always apologise. Its step one of making people forget. Drew apologised to criminals that werent prosecuted as well.0 -
So what's the craic now? Is it still the usual or is there something going to be done about this?
No calls can be cancelled by a Garda anymore. The end result is just more stats on PULSE and less Gardai responding to genuine calls.
So feel free to call because your neighbours dog is barking. Call twenty times in the same night. You will now get the Gardai calling to you twnety times and twenty incidents on PULSE all of thish require investigating before they can be closed because like the calltakers, thats civilianised as well and the civilians dont actually know what they are doing so we get cases remaining open for no sensible reason such as we cannot physically make people make statements and if you tell the Garda at the door "**** off pig" when you are sober, thats not an acceptable outcome anymore
While thats happenind however, do try and consider the actual crime victims that are left waiting.0 -
Niner leprauchan wrote: »Quality comeback. Baffling the unskilled Garda with your knowledge and detailed responses filled with details and provable facts.
I see you are not even able to back your own comments
Its 'professionalism' by the way. Where did you get your degree again? I only ask as I would love to become 'skilled' someday so I can listen to phone calls of Gardai doing their 'unskilled' work
Ha you're a petty one, anyway I can't believe you think this is fake, you know gardai think they're a law unto themselves being one yourself. I assume you've never heard an emergency call or how these gardai operate so can you kindly be quiet and keep your mouth shut, I'm not paying your wages for you to talk nonsense about something you've no clue about.0 -
Ha you're a petty one, anyway I can't believe you think this is fake, you know gardai think they're a law unto themselves being one yourself. I assume you've never heard an emergency call or how these gardai operate so can you kindly be quiet and keep your mouth shut, I'm not paying your wages for you to talk nonsense about something you've no clue about.
I think you shall be ignored as you cant even clarify how you heard all these calls and just insult, insult, insult.
Geez you must be angry that the unskilled Gardai earn more than you. Anyway, answer however you see fit. I shall not see it0 -
Only thing gardai seem to be able to follow up on is road offences… handy result fuking over the ordinary man … not a sign of em when scum are around that might give them a bit of lip1
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Niner leprauchan wrote: »Very informative post. All those decent people in jail cells. Such a shame
U referring to the very few high level criminals that they did manage to put there… how about the vast majority of ones they don’t0 -
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