Eoghan Harris terminated

FrancieBrady

Rosita wrote: »

then the Taoiseach has to say whether this man is still advising him

No he doesn't. There are people embroiled in controversies all the time, and before the courts too. The Taoiseach is not expected to out and comment on whether they are advisors to him or not.

If they are it'll emerge. If not it's irrelevant.

Never heard to be honest that he was an advisor to the Taoiseach until I read it here.

Do you have a source for the implication?

It is a persistent claim. Surprised anyone who claims an interest in Irish politics hasn't heard it.

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/eoghan-harris-fired-fake-twitter-account

Brussels Sprout

magicbastarder wrote: »

and i don't know what to say about this.

https://twitter.com/RealEddieHobbs/status/1390563797891534850

Hobbs appeared on a panel with quack, conspiracy theorists Dolores Cahill and Ivor "Fat Emperor" Cummins 2 weeks ago so his judgement of character is.....not good.

This thread is filling with partisans.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This thread is filling with partisans.

A whale only gets harpooned when it comes up to blow.

I had absolutely no time for Harris, and abusing a young journalist is exactly the type of thing he’d be correct in pointing out that anonymous SF accounts take part in. So a hypocrite as well.

Social media isn’t journalism, but we had E O’B admitting to writing anonymously for Phoenix magazine. We also had Grizzly Adams forgetting to switch accounts when he replied to his own post.

They are all at it. It’s why those who take the most glee in this need to be careful. Their own slate would want to be very clean.

Sunny Disposition

It's a very sad way for his career to end, although I wasn't a fan of his journalism. It's a pity it was done so publicly, he is nearly 80 and has had bad health.

Tacitus Kilgore

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

It's a very sad way for his career to end, although I wasn't a fan of his journalism. It's a pity it was done so publicly, he is nearly 80 and has had bad health.

The poor creatur.


Fuck him, it's entirely of his own making.

If you don't like to reap, don't sow.

smurgen

And it seems those that were non stop going on about trolling were the trolls. Talk about projection.
https://twitter.com/FCTwenteBenson/status/1390595587574218754?s=19

NIMAN

To set up another account to hassle people and bash SF sounds like something a teenage bully would do.

He's old enough to know that this was wrong.

He has to take the punishment. And the embarrassment. That's probably career over.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Time for a statement from Micheál Martin, is he still an advisor and was he a member of FF.

I agree with you, anytime an advisor or former advisor to a political party leader is found guilty of something, or where there is convincing evidence of wrongdoing, a statement should come from that leader.

A principle that should be applied across the board.

Lmkrnr

If he gets summonsed to court and he does not name his accomplices will he Be held to account as the main instigator. Or will "it wasn't me it was someone else" work with the Judge/Jury?.

FrancieBrady

NIMAN wrote: »

To set up another account to hassle people and bash SF sounds like something a teenage bully would do.

He's old enough to know that this was wrong.

He has to take the punishment. And the embarrassment. That's probably career over.

Several accounts it seems.

FrancieBrady

Lmkrnr wrote: »

If he gets summonsed to court and he does not name his accomplices will he Be held to account as the main instigator. Or will "it wasn't me it was someone else" work with the Judge/Jury?.

I'd imagine Twitter will be forced to reveal if there were others.

The 'account' was still posting last night, stating that it's 'crusade' against those calling for a Border Poll would continue despite Harris being revealed.

NIMAN

Did I also read that he didn't act alone?

Will be interesting if any other journo's are outed.

Lmkrnr

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I'd imagine Twitter will be forced to reveal if there were others.

The 'account' was still posting last night, stating that it's 'crusade' against those calling for a Border Poll would continue despite Harris being revealed.

It will be interesting to see what Twitter do if they are asked for information. I presume only a garda investigation can acquire that?

FrancieBrady

Lmkrnr wrote: »

It will be interesting to see what Twitter do if they are asked for information. I presume only a garda investigation can acquire that?

Don't think so. It was a legal request to facilitate litigation that outed him.

gormdubhgorm

Faugheen wrote: »

Of course you try to discredit the vile abuse of a woman at the hands of an angry man with a substantial platform while hiding behind an anonymous troll account.

‘Both of them in it’ - unbelievable take.

Not true unlike you I have the ability to stand back and look at the facts at issue.

Moore's tweet:

"This account sent me sexualised messages about whether Mary Lou McDonald “turned me on”, the size of my arse and called me a terrorist from the month I started at the Examiner. Since then, I’ve had to go to counselling and the guards."

If you actually read the tweets by Harris the first one was in reference to Moore being delighted that McDonald was the defacto first leader of the opposition the first female leader to do so (in the absence of the actual leader of the opposition at the time)

The 'burner' account sarcastically suggest to Moore 'does it turn you on?'

Now the take on this can be layered -

1) It could be taken as sexual reference
2) It could be taken as political reference in that SF as leader of the opposition in the Dail gets her going etc.

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Moore claims that Harris said her arse was big. Again this in not entirely true.
The Harris account used a sarcastic analogy of of Moore 'sniping in the bushes with her arse in the air'

To me the Harris account meant the following with this insulation -

1) She was taking 'shots' - sniping at those who are anti-SF cohort with her journalism

2) Is implicitly a supporter of the type of 'Republicanism' Harris does not like - provos sniping in the bushes analogy etc

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Moore claims that Harris called her a 'terrorist'.

Harris has called many who support Republicanism, terrorists over the years or at the very least implied it. So Moore is hardly unique with this 'tag' from Harris.

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/independent-journalists/eoghan-harris/

Moore's educational background is Thornhill College in Derry (2002-2008) so it is only natural that her leanings would be Republican. But for Harris this is a crime. Yet he once was a rabid Republican himself which is the ultimate hypocrisy imo.

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Just to be clear I am not saying what Harris did was right or good form. It was poor form and at best SU type politics at its worst. And at worst bullying.

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But for Moore to say she needed counselling in a tweet seems to me to be put in to garner sympathy. She seems like the 'strong independent woman' type. Would a few tweets really drive her to counselling? I have my doubts.

Rosita

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It is a persistent claim. Surprised anyone who claims an interest in Irish politics hasn't heard it.

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/eoghan-harris-fired-fake-twitter-account

I never questioned that it was a claim. I could claim, even persistently, that Bordeaux is the capital of France. Adducing evidence to back the claim is the thing.

I'm probably a bit out of sync with internet reality but I don't see the point in people swishing around on forums looking for the Taoiseach to comment on something when they don't even know if the claim is true. What a load of hot air that is.

Tacitus Kilgore

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Not true unlike you I have the ability to stand back and look at the facts at issue.

Moore's tweet:

"This account sent me sexualised messages about whether Mary Lou McDonald “turned me on”, the size of my arse and called me a terrorist from the month I started at the Examiner. Since then, I’ve had to go to counselling and the guards."

If you actually read the tweets by Harris the first one was in reference to Moore being delighted that McDonald was the defacto first leader of the opposition the first leader to do so (in the absence of the actual leader of the opposition at the time)

The 'burner' account sarcastically suggest to Moore 'does it turn you on?'

Now the take on this can be layer -

1) It could be taken as sexual reference
2) It could be taken as political reference in that SF as leader of the opposition in the Dail gets her going etc.

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Moore claims that Harris said her arse was big. Again this in not entirely true.
The Harris account used a sarcastic analogy of of Moore 'sniping in the bushes with her arse in the air'

To me the Harris account meant the following with this insulation -

1) She was taking 'shots' - sniping at those who are anti-SF cohort with her journalism

2) Is implicitly a supporter of the type of 'Republicanism' Harris does not like - provos sniping in the bushes analogy etc

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Moore claims that Harris called her a terrorist.

Harris has called many who support Republicanism, terrorists over the years or at the very least implied it. So Moore is hardly unique with this tag from Harris.

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/independent-journalists/eoghan-harris/

Moore's educational background is Thornhill College in Derry (2002-2008) so it is only natural that her leanings would be Republican. But for Harris this is a crime. Yet he once was a rabid Republican himself which is the ultimate hypocrisy.

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Just to be clear I am not saying what Harris did was right or good form. It was poor form and at best SU type politics at its worst. And at worst bullying.

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But for Moore to say she needed counselling in a tweet seems to me to be put in to garner sympathy. She seems like the 'strong independent woman' type. Would a few tweets really drive her to counselling? I have my doubts.

Jesus, nearly makes it look like you're part of said twitter account :pac:

magicbastarder

moore said that he sent messages - is she referring to tweets as messages, or does she mean DMs?

Hurrache

Deleted User wrote: »

I had absolutely no time for Harris, and abusing a young journalist is exactly the type of thing he’d be correct in pointing out that anonymous SF accounts take part in. So a hypocrite as well.

I can't find the piece now but he once wrote about how people anonymously abused people on social media while playing with themselves in their bedrooms, something along those lines.

edit: I found someone who found the piece

https://twitter.com/davidcochrane/status/1390606912597671936

archfi

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

But for Moore to say she needed counselling in a tweet seems to me to be put in to garner sympathy. She seems like the 'strong independent woman' type. Would a few tweets really drive her to counselling? I have my doubts.

Yup, she would have to provide more evidence for that to be in any way credible but so far she's getting a heap of 'so sorrys' - so initial success. And if it is credible that those three trolling points alone made by that account forced her to get counselling, well that isn't the best pointer to personal stability IMO.


I feel I have to point out on this forum that I think Harris is a complete fcking ar*ehole, but I'm sure I'll be targetted as something-ist or whatnot in spite of that fact.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Several accounts it seems.

We have seen no different in these parts, a serial holder mooching around Current Affairs lauding FG and condemning SF. The script is memorised and regurgitated ad nauseam.

Harris is a busted flush, and he knows it.

FrancieBrady

Rosita wrote: »

I never questioned that it was a claim. I could claim, even persistently, that Bordeaux is the capital of France. Adducing evidence to back the claim is the thing.

I'm probably a bit out of sync with internet reality but I don't see the point in people swishing around on forums looking for the Taoiseach to comment on something when they don't even know if the claim is true. What a load of hot air that is.

Well you clearly don't want this guy linked to FF based on your posts, so I can see how it isn't important to you.

Rosita

blanch152 wrote: »

I agree with you, anytime an advisor or former advisor to a political party leader is found guilty of something, or where there is convincing evidence of wrongdoing, a statement should come from that leader.

A principle that should be applied across the board.

Eoghan Harris was advisor to John Bruton back in the day. Unlike Micheál Martin, I KNOW that to be the case. I look forward to hearing the current FG leader Leo Varadkar's statement on the matter.

Do you really think Fine Gael need to comment on a former advisor?

Be careful what you wish for might be the best sentiment here.

Rosita

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well you clearly don't want this guy linked to FF based on your posts, so I can see how it isn't important to you.

If you have evidence of a link let's be having it. Happily this is demonstrable fact either way. You are the one making the claim./asking the question - weirdly expecting a statement from the Taoiseach about something you don't even know to be the case.

The Taoiseach might be hopelessly inept but I would imagine he's at least busy.

Tony EH

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Like his old mate Myers, you wonder how someone who's been in the game that long could do something so stupidly self-destructive. I suppose a certain reckless can come with age...

I don't think Myers and Harris were cut from entirely the same cloth, but Harris in particular had a woefully simple minded political view and when one is besieged with that kind of mentality it ends up consuming them eventually.

FrancieBrady

Rosita wrote: »

If you have evidence of a link let's be having it. Happily this is demonstrable fact either way. You are the one making the claim./asking the question - weirdly expecting a statement from the Taoiseach about something you don't even know to be the case.

The Taoiseach might be hopelessly inept but I would imagine he's at least busy.

We get it. You don't want the question asked.

Anything else?

Cilldara_2000

Only on Boards would the "men" of Ireland twist this into an inquisition against someone who was on the receiving end of a fake twitter account run by Turncoat Harris of all people.

gormdubhgorm

archfi wrote: »

Yup, she would have to provide more evidence for that to be in any way credible but so far she's getting a heap of 'so sorrys' - so initial success. And if it is credible that those three trolling points alone made by that account forced her to get counselling, well that isn't the best pointer to personal stability IMO.


I feel I have to point out on this forum that I think Harris is a complete fcking ar*ehole, but I'm sure I'll be targetted as something-ist or whatnot in spite of that fact.

I agree with you and just to be clear I agree with the bolded part as well.
I never liked Harris a really arrogant insincere individual, at the best of times.

But I still believe Moore is playing the 'game' now. Harris has put himself on the back foot - completely

With the current climate of mental health, bullying, women's issues, victimisation, body shaming - all those buzz words. It means that Moore now has the upper hand completely. And she well knows it.

It will get her sympathy in some quarters, a higher profile journalistically in others. For example many will now look out for Moore's articles.

I am now aware that Moore wrote an article about the Stardust families. Which I would not have been aware of until I looked up this thread and Moore's twitter account.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/commentanalysis/arid-40225211.html

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Harris due to his age and past antagonising many people over the years with his political flip flopping can be portrayed as the the 'clueless dinosaur' of another era.

Tacitus Kilgore

Why are people trying to make this about Aoife Grace Moore instead of what it's actually about?

gormdubhgorm

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Jesus, nearly makes it look like you're part of said twitter account :pac:

I just try to go on facts not 'hysteria' as many are prone to do on boards.ie.

I have made it clear that I am no fan of Eoghan Harris nor the Independent for that matter a number of times in this thread already.

golfball37

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

Only on Boards would the "men" of Ireland twist this into an inquisition against someone who was on the receiving end of a fake twitter account run by Turncoat Harris of all people.

It’s a horrible line to be taking. Has the whiff of what did she expect wearing that skirt type comment.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

We get it. You don't want the question asked.

Anything else?

Partisans be partisans. The both of you.

What’s the point anyway. He ran Mary Robinson's campaign. He was advisor to Bruton. There may be something with FF but it’s less substantial.

It shows the lack of political intellectualism we have. Nothing that Harris has come up with is unique. Marxism certainly isn’t and apparently we can’t ever have people who are anti extreme Irish nationalism without them becoming ultra unionists.

archfi

Hurrache wrote: »

I can't find the piece now but he once wrote about how people anonymously abused people on social media while playing with themselves in their bedrooms, something along those lines.

edit: I found someone who found the piece

https://twitter.com/davidcochrane/status/1390606912597671936

That is delicious.

blanch152

Rosita wrote: »

Eoghan Harris was advisor to John Bruton back in the day. Unlike Micheál Martin, I KNOW that to be the case. I look forward to hearing the current FG leader Leo Varadkar's statement on the matter.

Do you really think Fine Gael need to comment on a former advisor?

Be careful what you wish for might be the best sentiment here.

That is for John Bruton to deal with.

gormdubhgorm

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Why are people trying to make this about Aoife Grace Moore instead of what it's actually about?

The two are intertwined.

Moore's tweet on her take of what Eoghan Harris did - which seemed awful.

But appeared slightly hyperbolic when the actual Harris tweets themselves are read in context.

There is a definite game going on here, as far as I see it.
As I already said a pair of them in it.
But I think that Harris has shot himself in the foot pun intended.

Brussels Sprout

Deleted User wrote: »

We have seen no different in these parts, a serial holder mooching around Current Affairs lauding FG and condemning SF. The script is memorised and regurgitated ad nauseam.

Harris is a busted flush, and he knows it.

He has completely lost any voice he had. His weekly column is gone. RTE wouldn't touch him with a barge-pole. He probably can't even set up a twitter account in his own name after this saga. If he really did have Micheal Martin's ear then that'll be gone now too.

The world will just have to get by without hearing his opinions. For most people that won't be an issue but for him it'll be a travesty.

Tacitus Kilgore

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I just try to go on facts not 'hysteria' as many are prone to do on boards.ie.

I have made it clear that I am no fan of Eoghan Harris nor the Independent for that matter a number of times in this thread already.

I know, sure there would be no weight to the rest of your words if you didnt at least condemn harris.



why are you trying to turn the light onto Aoife G M? don't say you aren't cos it's clear as crystal that's what you're doing:

Your own interpretation of :"does it turn you on?" is enough.


You are trying to twist this away from it's obvious sexual connotations - "It could be taken as political reference in that SF as leader of the opposition in the Dail gets her going etc."



GTFOH with that nonsense.



Pick another account and try again maybe, seems to be the playbook.

Rosita

blanch152 wrote: »

That is for John Bruton to deal with.

What do you think he should say?

And Varadkar joined Fine Gael when Bruton was leader. He must comment as well.

Tacitus Kilgore

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

The two are intertwined.

Moore's tweet on her take of what Eoghan Harris did - which seemed awful.

But appeared slightly hyperbolic when the actual Harris tweets themselves are read in context.

There is a definite game going on here, as far as I see it.
As I already said a pair of them in it.
But I think that Harris has shot himself in the foot pun intended.

So you reckon AGM is behind the same twitter account?

gormdubhgorm

golfball37 wrote: »

It’s a horrible line to be taking. Has the whiff of what did she expect wearing that skirt type comment.

You can spin it like that as many will be prone to do in this day and age.

But I read Moore's tweet and then Harris's actual tweets which Moore referred to yesterday. It told a slightly different story nothing to do whether she was 'wearing a skirt or not' just the actual words themselves in context.

Loafing Oaf

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

He has completely lost any voice he had. His weekly column is gone. RTE wouldn't touch him with a barge-pole. He probably can't even set up a twitter account in his own name after this saga. If he really did have Micheal Martin's ear then that'll be gone now too.

All that's left for him is the Eamon Dunphy route, his own podcast - 'the Barbara Pym Bulletin":P

Rosita

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

With the current climate of mental health, bullying, women's issues, victimisation, body shaming - all those buzz words.

Surely in a civilised society at least some of these should have more status than "buzz words"?

FrancieBrady

fvp4 wrote: »

Partisans be partisans. The both of you.

What’s the point anyway. He ran Mary Robinson's campaign. He was advisor to Bruton. There may be something with FF but it’s less substantial.

It shows the lack of political intellectualism we have. Nothing that Harris has come up with is unique. Marxism certainly isn’t and apparently we can’t ever have people who are anti extreme Irish nationalism without them becoming ultra unionists.

Fairly partisan yourself there.


I think it is important that there is transparency here. That is all.

archfi

golfball37 wrote: »

It’s a horrible line to be taking. Has the whiff of what did she expect wearing that skirt type comment.

Really?
I'm interested in the whole scenario - Harris and whoever else making use of social media to troll and opine anonymously while also having access to national tv, radio and media for his opinion over decades and I'm also interested in the immediacy of personal accusations and triggers like 'mental health', 'required counselling' etc used as proof of something usually with no context instead of hard evidence.

Aoife's contribution could be powerful if it becomes more substantial rather than the initial tweeted vagueness.



Meanwhile, the 'wrong skirt' stuff in relation to that doesn't quite fit if you take a short while to think about it.

FrancieBrady

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

All that's left for him is the Eamon Dunphy route, his own podcast - 'the Barbara Pym Bulletin":P

'Barbara J. Pym' to you!

Brussels Sprout

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

The two are intertwined.

Moore's tweet on her take of what Eoghan Harris did - which seemed awful.

But appeared slightly hyperbolic when the actual Harris tweets themselves are read in context.

There is a definite game going on here, as far as I see it.
As I already said a pair of them in it.
But I think that Harris has shot himself in the foot pun intended.

I think you're putting the cart before the horse. Whatever about the accuracy of her claims they were made after news of his sacking broke.

It seems that he lost his job based on tweets slandering someone else, who had written an article in the Times. They seem to have taken legal action against twitter to uncover his identity.

gormdubhgorm

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

So you reckon AGM is behind the same twitter account?

No I believe that Moore is playing up this incident a bit (when you read the actual tweets)

But in the context of today's buzzwords - 'mental health, online sexual harassment cyber bullying, body shaming' etc she is on the winner. And more power to her she might as well make hay while the sun shines. It should further her journalistic profile and her career if she plays it correctly.

I feel no sympathy for Harris and I feel it is well deserved and it high time he got his comeuppance. He went too far for today's world and got caught out. His own hubris hung him in the end.

FrancieBrady

8 anonymous accounts?

Jeepers. He'll be co-opted into FG if he doesn't watch out.

https://www.thejournal.ie/eight-accounts-linked-to-barbara-j-pym-sunday-independent-5431051-May2021/?utm_source=twitter_short

Tony EH

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Emma DeSouza complaining that she was attacked by the account too.
Also see people asking who was behind other accounts that operated in a similar way. This one could run and run if journalists haven't covered their tracks well. Journalism in the spotlight. No harm in my opinion.

Seems Eoghan was outed by a request from a legal firm (who were suing) to Twitter for the real name of the account holder.

I think this kind of insidious non de plume propaganda that Harris and others engaged in needs to be seriously tackled. A journalist or journalists should put their name(s) to the articles they pimp and no be allowed to hide behind silly handles.