What's the point of Paul Murphy?

Fann Linn

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

No I haven't.

But they aren't ended and will be back in the news soon.

And who is going to reintroduce these again?

Eggs For Dinner

Fann Linn wrote: »

The end of water charges.
He'd get a transfer from me if I was in his electoral area for that alone.

Huge mistake not sticking with the charges IMO. Going to cost us tenfold because of lack of investment in infrastructure

Stihl waters

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

If that is all I have got?

Calling women you work with witches and Hags is NOT acceptable.

Not a damning incitement of his apparent hatred for women, I'm still waiting for some concrete evidence as to his dislike for women

Eggs For Dinner

Eggs For Dinner wrote: »

Huge mistake not sticking with the charges IMO. Going to cost us tenfold because of lack of investment in infrastructure

They should have made a guarantee in the constitution that water provisions would never be privatised.

Everyone and his dog knew that Irish Water was going straight to redacted.

irishguitarlad

irishguitarlad wrote: »

The left in Ireland have completely shat the bed during the whole covid-19 situation by asking for more restrictions constantly and pushing for zero covid which would make even more people unemployed, but hey they are for the working class;-)

A push for zero COVID would have led to more people being back to work...

Mad_maxx

Exceltrup wrote: »

Or any of AAA/PBP/RISE. Seeing them in the Dail, they remind of that kid who kept shouting stuff out in class thinking that they were funny, whilst in reality they're just an inconvenience for everybody.

Murphy is a phoney revolutionary poser

that kind of shtick has always been quite appealing to a certain middle class demographic , most grow out of it , a minority become Richard Boyd Barrett

its mostly a way of rebelling against your boring leafy suburb unfashionable parents and being seen as counter culture

nobody serious takes any of those seriously

jimmycrackcorm

Fann Linn wrote:

When FG, LP, FF and SF were either committed to or sitting on the fence about water charges there was only one crowd actively opposed to them and that was Murphy and his crew. And I say that as a middle class public sector trade union tax payer.

The irony of being a left leaning politician opposing something that other countries with left leaning parties agree with.

jimmycrackcorm

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

The irony of being a left leaning politician opposing something that other countries with left leaning parties agree with.

The far left in Ireland favour lowering or abolishing taxes in many cases. The traditional right parties have raised or introduced new taxes over the past decade.

rolling boh

Not a supporter of any of these far left or whatever they claim to be but most of them are just loud mouths who cannot work together so just keep latching on to any flavour of the moment cause to keep them noticed .They have no realistic solutions to anything and never will have anything to offer except waffle .

User142

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

He didn't end that. It was the middle class refusing to pay them that did that. And most of them don't like him.

This is just rewriting of history.

EddieN75

Exceltrup wrote: »

What has he actually achieved?

Hundreds of thousands of Euro in tax payer funded salaries.

That's all that counts

RobbieTheRobber

EddieN75 wrote: »

Hundreds of thousands of Euro in tax payer funded salaries.

That's all that counts

He gets people talking though eh eddie.
I mean in less than one and a half hours on a sunny bank holiday Sunday he has gotten 63 comments.

EddieN75

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

He gets people talking though eh eddie.
I mean in less than one and a half hours on a sunny bank holiday Sunday he has gotten 63 comments.

The weather also gets people talking.

Maybe he has the answers to your questions. I don't know

mikemac2

mikemac2 wrote: »

Was funny to hear him on Pat Kenny show saying Willie Walsh knew nothing about flying.

He was an Aer Lingus pilot sure and Murphy had no answer when that was pointed out

He reduces everything to worker workshy and bosses

FYP

astrofool

Because the real endpoint to any question he answers is a changeover to communism, he just ensures that the airtime wraps before the debate gets that far. His agenda is a socialist revolution which means he can't work with anyone that isn't also pushing a socialist revolution (along with the narrow parameters he sets for it).

Joe Higgins also coronated him to take over his position as chief shouter in the Dáil which was nepotism by any other name

Fann Linn

astrofool wrote: »

Because the real endpoint to any question he answers is a changeover to communism, he just ensures that the airtime wraps before the debate gets that far. His agenda is a socialist revolution which means he can't work with anyone that isn't also pushing a socialist revolution (along with the narrow parameters he sets for it).

Joe Higgins also coronated him to take over his position as chief shouter in the Dáil which was nepotism by any other name

In fairness to Joe he knew how to debate and had a nice style within DE.

I’m not a socialist, but Richie BB is a way more likeable and pragmatic sort of dude than Murphy. Murphy is obsessed with Marxism, and seeing everything through a very narrow prism. Completely uncompromising. Almost religious in his beliefs. There’s also something a bit ‘off’ about him. No humanity there at all.

I’d say you could go for a few pints with Boyd Barrett and not talk politics.

It just shows how flawed our democratic system is when there wasn't one positive response on the opening page, for someone who was elected by the people.

We're raised to believe we live in the perfect system but when you analyse the nuts and bolts of it... it doesn't really work that way does it?(also see opinions on issues like Immigration, MUP... the electorate seem to be on the complete opposite end to our representatives).

mikemac2

6 wrote: »

A bit of a spoofer that preys on the protest voters.

Thank **** he gets little airtime these days.

Paul Murphy gets more airtime than most

If a radio show wants someone for a 10 minute slot they have Murphy on speed dial

Actual knowledge of the subject not necessary, Murphy will show up

I heard him last week about Keelings and their harvest workers

rolling boh wrote: »

Not a supporter of any of these far left or whatever they claim to be but most of them are just loud mouths who cannot work together so just keep latching on to any flavour of the moment cause to keep them noticed .They have no realistic solutions to anything and never will have anything to offer except waffle .

Before the last election Paul Murphy saw a trend for green/environmental issues and became the most green politican ever seen

But he never mentioned these policies before and once he got his seat he didn't mention them again

Bandwagon jumper indeed

RobbieTheRobber

gilberto_eire wrote: »

It just shows how flawed our democratic system is when there wasn't one positive response on the opening page, for someone who was elected by the people.

We're raised to believe we live in the perfect system but when you analyse the nuts and bolts of it... it doesn't really work that way does it?(also see opinions on issues like Immigration, MUP... the electorate seem to be on the complete opposite end to our representatives).

It doesn't say much of anything other than that posters on a Sunday to boards current affairs forum and a thread about Paul Murphy didn't have anything positive. To infer anything else about the irish democracy in general would be a bit of a stretch.

endacl

What’s the point of Paul Murphy?

Each component organ and structure of the body politic is essential to its healthy functioning, just as with the organic body. Except the appendix of course. That either does feckall of any use, or makes a nuisance of itself. He could be the political equivalent of the appendix?

My vote would be for political anus though. Occasionally raises an unfortunate stink, and regularly releases shyte. And best not discussed in polite company.

EddieN75

gilberto_eire wrote: »

It just shows how flawed our democratic system is when there wasn't one positive response on the opening page, for someone who was elected by the people.

We're raised to believe we live in the perfect system but when you analyse the nuts and bolts of it... it doesn't really work that way does it?(also see opinions on issues like Immigration, MUP... the electorate seem to be on the complete opposite end to our representatives).

A decent handful of far left representatives but not one far right or nationalist.

It's all one sided

Lemon Davis lll

KevRossi wrote: »

If The Edge and Michael Martin had a kid....

Eric Cartman

He’s a yupee with daddys money who thinks his college education makes him know whats best for the working classes who he regularly exploits their propensity for violence to get him in newspaper headlines. He’s the irish definition of white saviour complex.

Thankfully his brand of violent extreme leftism keeps the far left from ever making any real inroads to politics here

Peintre Celebre

One of the most dislike able people in the country and that takes some doing. He seems to jump on whatever anti Garda bandwagon going, strikes me as someone who got caught drink driving before or caught with a joint as a young fella and has a vendetta against them. Same with Hazel Chu

They got about six weeks worth of tweets and retweets when Gardai shot George Nkeocho. I don't recall a single world when Detective Colm Horkan was shot dead.

RobbieTheRobber

EddieN75 wrote: »

A decent handful of far left representatives but not one far right or nationalist.

It's all one sided

When you say one sided what you really mean is the democratic will of the people.
Paul Murphy was elected like it or not, the national party racists were not elected. That Eddie was the democratic will of the people.

Furze99

He collects a salary - that's about it.

Furze99

Furze99 wrote: »

He collects a salary - that's about it.

Not bad going for a lad who has never done a days work in his life!

The Black Oil

Ah, the far left. Can't even agree on the stuff they agree on.

RobbieTheRobber

The Black Oil wrote: »

Ah, the far left. Can't even agree on the stuff they agree on.

Is Paul Murphy supposed to represent the big scary far left?
Duck me that's a comical take.

Mad_maxx

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Is Paul Murphy supposed to represent the big scary far left?
Duck me that's a comical take.

Are you saying Murphy isn't far left ?

rosser44

Eric Cartman wrote: »

He’s a yupee with daddys money who thinks his college education makes him know whats best for the working classes who he regularly exploits their propensity for violence to get him in newspaper headlines. He’s the irish definition of white saviour complex.

Thankfully his brand of violent extreme leftism keeps the far left from ever making any real inroads to politics here

I disagree with pretty much everything you say on here Eric, and would be on the opposite side of most of your arguments, but that 1st paragraph I could not agree with more.

Now I need to go take a looong shower......

rossie1977

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Are you saying Murphy isn't far left ?

Far left is extreme communism ie Lenin, Stalin, North Korea, Chairman Mao.

I don't know much about Murphy but just from short clips he is no communist. There isn't a single elected political figure in this country that is more than leaning left from what I have seen.

James Connolly was much further to the left than any current elected TD.

padd b1975

I expect the Shinners to wipe him and his comrades out next election if they can find the right candidates.

suicide_circus

Three words: pronouns in bio

RobbieTheRobber

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Are you saying Murphy isn't far left ?

Yes that is exactly what I am saying. Here I'll state it clearly for you.
Paul Murphy is not the far left!

KaneToad

Swaine wrote: »

What has any of them achieved?

MM heavily involved in the crisis of 2008, 13 years later we make him leader of the country. Now presiding over a disaster effort of Covid19.

Eoghan Murphy resigned during the week, he failed miserably with his housing brief, off he rides into the sunset with 70k and a nice pension.

Education minister Norma Foley is the worst I've ever seen, but it's ok because she's a woman. In no other sector would her level of incompetence be ignored.

Murphy and BB are tools but we do need these people to call out the government for their mistakes. SF are just perpetual losers who are afraid of actually being elected to power. Cowards.

Would you rather our TDs weren't paid?

VinLieger

Hes like that person who read Marx the first week of college and started injecting it into every conversation they had for the rest of the year. Most of those people thankfully quickly figured out they were insufferable tools as well as that the whole Marxist theory never actually works in practice so they quickly grew out of it as they realised nobody wanted to be friends with them.

Murphy missed that key second step.

Eric Cartman

padd b1975 wrote: »

I expect the Shinners to wipe him and his comrades out next election if they can find the right candidates.

I dont like him but murder is a step too far, i suppose its a good thing the gardai got to dowdall before he’d clip paul

meeeeh

I remember another student googling Che Geuara in university library (that was before mobile Internet) and explaining to me that he really liked the t-shirts and he wanted to find out a bit more what Geuara was about.

Paul Murphy strikes me as someone who became left wing activist because it was something that he considers cool to do. You can wear plo scarf if they are still around or Che t-shirt and look coolant self important protesting. It's a safe position because his grouping (whatever they are called now) will never go properly into government so they can't be proven wrong. They can oppose everything without actually doing anything..

walshb

Allinall wrote: »

Just for the record.

Joan Burton didn’t bring any charges.

It was the DPP who brought the charges against the six men.

And dead right to. Bunch of thugs...

And encouraged by Murphy

An out and out messer, that lad....but, sadly, due to his position, a dangerous messer!

Mad_maxx

rossie1977 wrote: »

Far left is extreme communism ie Lenin, Stalin, North Korea, Chairman Mao.

I don't know much about Murphy but just from short clips he is no communist. There isn't a single elected political figure in this country that is more than leaning left from what I have seen.

James Connolly was much further to the left than any current elected TD.

within our political context - landscape , Paul Murphy is of course far left , he wants to nationalise everything effectively , the Social Democrats are on the left though still pro the private market making up much of the economy , as are Labour , SF are more left again , PBP and Murphy are well to the left of SF

you dont have to be Mao to be far left , its all relative , FG are well to the left of the democrats in america if you want to rate things in a global context

Fred Cryton

He's a fool. End of.

Have a read of Murphy's leaked essay here :https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/paul-murphy-uses-trotsky-to-explain-how-socialists-can-compete-with-sectarian-sf-1.3816304%3fmode=amp

He refers to Trotsky and actions of the Bolsheviks with biblical reverence and uses them to justify strategy, explicitly stating that any actions can be justified if compliant with their thoughts. Even though their thinking and actions is over a hundred years old. That makes him a fundamentalist, a fanatic. Unwilling to stray from the Trotsky bible, anything permissible if the Bolsheviks did it. You can see where his mind may go.


He also wants to see Ireland united with the UK. Under the red flag of course. Nationalism is dangerous, we'd all be comrades rather than Irish or British or whatever.

This is my favourite though and really illustrates how what he really thinks of what he calls "the working class" as he says the socialist party should present tle truth in a "manner that is digestible to the working class"

He's saying he'll lie to them cos they're thick but it's for their own good which they'd be too thick to understand

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/socialist-party-to-present-truth-in-most-digestible-way-to-working-class-1.3815556

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Have a read of Murphy's leaked essay here :https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/paul-murphy-uses-trotsky-to-explain-how-socialists-can-compete-with-sectarian-sf-1.3816304%3fmode=amp

He refers to Trotsky and actions of the Bolsheviks with biblical reverence and uses them to justify strategy, explicitly stating that any actions can be justified if compliant with their thoughts. Even though their thinking and actions is over a hundred years old. That makes him a fundamentalist, a fanatic. Unwilling to stray from the Trotsky bible, anything permissible if the Bolsheviks did it. You can see where his mind may go.


He also wants to see Ireland united with the UK. Under the red flag of course. Nationalism is dangerous, we'd all be comrades rather than Irish or British or whatever.

This is my favourite though and really illustrates how what he really thinks of what he calls "the working class" as he says the socialist party should present tle truth in a "manner that is digestible to the working class"

He's saying he'll lie to them cos they're thick but it's for their own good which they'd be too thick to understand

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/socialist-party-to-present-truth-in-most-digestible-way-to-working-class-1.3815556

There you have it. Though I didn't need that essay to know that's what he believed. It's written in his every action... and across his smug face.

Coillte_Bhoy

Deleted User wrote: »

Have a read of Murphy's leaked essay here :https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/paul-murphy-uses-trotsky-to-explain-how-socialists-can-compete-with-sectarian-sf-1.3816304%3fmode=amp

He refers to Trotsky and actions of the Bolsheviks with biblical reverence and uses them to justify strategy, explicitly stating that any actions can be justified if compliant with their thoughts. Even though their thinking and actions is over a hundred years old. That makes him a fundamentalist, a fanatic. Unwilling to stray from the Trotsky bible, anything permissible if the Bolsheviks did it. You can see where his mind may go.


He also wants to see Ireland united with the UK. Under the red flag of course. Nationalism is dangerous, we'd all be comrades rather than Irish or British or whatever.

This is my favourite though and really illustrates how what he really thinks of what he calls "the working class" as he says the socialist party should present tle truth in a "manner that is digestible to the working class"

He's saying he'll lie to them cos they're thick but it's for their own good which they'd be too thick to understand

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/socialist-party-to-present-truth-in-most-digestible-way-to-working-class-1.3815556

I really dont know where you got that from tbh, your own political bias maybe? Doesn't every party tailor their message to appeal to their target base?

Coillte_Bhoy

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

I really dont know where you got that from tbh, your own political bias maybe? Doesn't every party tailor their message to appeal to their target base?

You clearly didn't read it, forgivable as it's behind a paywall.

Here's an extract :

""In internal documents discussing Brexit and wider strategy, he asks: “Are we guilty of not ‘telling the truth’ to the working class when we don’t bring a demand to leave the EU?

“We always tell the truth to the working class. But we present the truth in the way which is most digestible to the working class at a particular time.”

They want to leave the EU but can't tell that to the working class as their little pixie heads can't manage it. But that's OK, Big Brother knows best.

Coillte_Bhoy

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

I really dont know where you got that from tbh, your own political bias maybe? Doesn't every party tailor their message to appeal to their target base?

He got it from:

“We always tell the truth to the working class. But we present the truth in the way which is most digestible to the working class at a particular time.”

Which is a condescending and classist view of the a whole group of people.

I look forward to hearing your spin.

Beasty

Exceltrup wrote: »

Or any of AAA/PBP/RISE. Seeing them in the Dail, they remind of that kid who kept shouting stuff out in class thinking that they were funny, whilst in reality they're just an inconvenience for everybody.

Clearly not for those who vote for him/them

That's democracy for you. You have to accept things you don't like alongside things you do

DerekC16

Murphy is Trotskyist. That's fairly far to the left in my book anyway.